Eloah

[granpa]

Job 19:
If indeed ye will magnify yourselves against me, and plead against me my reproach:
6 Know now that Eloah hath overthrown me, and hath compassed me with his net.
7 Behold, I cry out of wrong, but I am not heard: I cry aloud, but there is no judgment.
8 He hath fenced up my way that I cannot pass, and he hath set darkness in my paths.
9 He hath stripped me of my glory, and taken the crown from my head.
10 He hath destroyed me


El-oah = El-huah

Hebrew Lexicon :: H1942 (KJV)

הַוָּה

desire
desire (in bad sense)
chasm (fig. of destruction)
engulfing ruin, destruction, calamity

Eloah is the angel of the bottomless pit. The destroyer. Satariel.


in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was tohu and bohu.

 

[Hizikyah]

I think you got these words mixed up?

King James Bible

Job 19:6, "Know now that God hath overthrown me, and hath compassed me with his net."

"God" is word #H433 - eloah
eloah: God, god
Original Word: אֱל֫וֹהַּ,
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: eloah
Phonetic Spelling: ((shortened) >eloahh {el-o'-ah)
Short Definition: God



Job 19:10, "He hath destroyed me on every side, and I am gone: and mine hope hath he removed like a tree."

destroyed is word #H5422 - nathats
nathats: to pull down, break down
​

Original Word: נָתַץ
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: nathats
Phonetic Spelling: (naw-thats')
Short Definition: down

 

[granpa]

the word for God is Elohim not Eloah

The word Eloah is only used in the book of job and in a handful of other places.

The meaning of many of the words used in the book of Job are obscure

 

[granpa]

just because the word Eloah contains the word el does not mean that it must mean God.
Many Hebrew names begin with el.
Elijah and Elihu for example

 

[Hizikyah]

the word for God is Elohim not Eloah

The word Eloah is only used in the book of job and in a handful of other places.

The meaning of many of the words used in the book of Job are obscure

I can agree with some obscure rare words..

El, Elohim, Eloah are a bit vauge in origin.

From my studies I believe it is more likely Yl meaning "strength"

A minority of "scholars" see it this way but the majority see it as "El"

In ancient Hebrew there were no written vowels, thus a word can not start with a vowel, a vowel can be used in pronounciation, but a ancient Hebrew word can not start with a letter that is not in the written language.

The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, page 674
'El. The oldest Semitic term for God is `el (corresponding to Akkadian ilu (m), Canaanite 'el or 'il, and Arabic 'el as an element in personal names). The etymology of the word is obscure. It is commonly thought that the term derived from a root `yl or `wl meaning "to be powerful."

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Hebrew Dictionary
410. 'el, ale; short. from 352; strength; as adj. mighty; espec. the Almighty (but used also of any deity):—God, (god), x goodly, x great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Cop. names in "-el."

352. ayil, ah'yil; from the same as 193; prop. strength; hence anything strong; spec. a chief (politically); also a ram (from his strength); a pilaster (as a strong support); an oak or other strong tree:—mighty (man), lintel, oak, post, ram, tree.

193. uwl, ool; from an unused root mean. to twist. i.e. (by impl.) be strong; the body (as being rolled together); also powerful:—mighty, strength.

 

[granpa]

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name...is destroyer (Satariel)

 

[granpa]

El is from the word all
as in all powerful or infinite

 

[Hizikyah]

just because the word Eloah contains the word el does not mean that it must mean God.
Many Hebrew names begin with el.
Elijah and Elihu for example

"strength of Yahweh"

452 - Eliyyah
Eliyyah: "Yah is God," a well-known prophet of Isr., also three other Isr.
​

Original Word: אֵלִיָּה
Part of Speech: Proper Name Masculine
Transliteration: Eliyyah
Phonetic Spelling: (ay-lee-yaw')
Short Definition: Elijah

Word Origin
from el and Yah
Definition
"Yah is God," a well-known prophet of Isr., also three other Isr.
NASB Translation
Elijah (71).

 

[granpa]

El-oah = God of abyss or God of destruction

Satariel = destroyer of God (ie. destroyer of all or Great destroyer or infinite destroyer)

 

[Hizikyah]

El-oah = God of abyss or God of destruction

Satariel = destroyer of God (ie. destroyer of all or Great destroyer or infinite destroyer)

If that is so why would Job use the same word here?

26“Even after my skin is destroyed, Yet from my flesh I shall see God;



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[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]310 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]wə-’a-ḥar[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וְאַחַ֣ר[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"][yough] And after[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adv[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]5785 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]‘ō-w-rî[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]ע֭וֹרִֽי[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]my skin[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]5362 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]niq-qə-p̄ū-[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]נִקְּפוּ־[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"][worms] destroy[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2063 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]zōṯ;[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]זֹ֑את[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]this[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Pro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1320 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ū-mib-bə-śā-rî,[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וּ֝מִבְּשָׂרִ֗י[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"][body] yet in my flesh[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2372 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’e-ḥĕ-zeh[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אֶֽחֱזֶ֥ה[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]shall I see[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]433 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’ĕ-lō-w-ah.[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אֱלֽוֹהַּ׃[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]God[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[granpa]

For thy sake is earth forsaken? And removed is a rock from its place?
5 Also, the light of the wicked is extinguished. And there doth not shine a spark of his fire

here bildad is saying that cain and all his descendants were destroyed in the flood and their does not remain a single descendant.

Know now, that Eloah turned me upside down, And His snare against me hath set round,

Job says "nope" they are still here

23 Who doth grant now, That my words may be written? Who doth grant that in a book they may be graven?
24 With a pen of iron and lead -- For ever in a rock they may be hewn.
25 That -- I have known my Redeemer, The Living and the Last, For the dust he doth rise.
26 And after my skin hath compassed this [body], Then from my flesh I see Eloah:
27 Whom I -- I see on my side, And mine eyes have beheld, and not a stranger, Consumed have been my reins in my bosom.
28 But ye say, `Why do we pursue after him?' And the root of the matter hath been found in me.
29 Be ye afraid because of the sword, For furious [are] the punishments of the sword, That ye may know that [there is] a judgment

yet another obscure phrase used in the book of job.
I see eloah evidently just means that eloah is still alive because I can see eloah doing this to me

the rest I don't know about. I've given up trying to make sense out of all the obscure words and phrases used in the book of Job.

 

[granpa]

Outline of the Bible/Job - Religion-wiki

 

[Hizikyah]

If that is so why would Job use the same word here?

26“Even after my skin is destroyed, Yet from my flesh I shall see God;



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[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]310 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]wə-’a-ḥar[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וְאַחַ֣ר[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"][yough] And after[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adv[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]5785 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]‘ō-w-rî[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]ע֭וֹרִֽי[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]my skin[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]5362 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]niq-qə-p̄ū-[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]נִקְּפוּ־[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"][worms] destroy[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2063 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]zōṯ;[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]זֹ֑את[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]this[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Pro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1320 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ū-mib-bə-śā-rî,[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וּ֝מִבְּשָׂרִ֗י[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"][body] yet in my flesh[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2372 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’e-ḥĕ-zeh[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אֶֽחֱזֶ֥ה[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]shall I see[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]433 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’ĕ-lō-w-ah.[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אֱלֽוֹהַּ׃[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]God[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

For me to see it your way you have to address this.

 

[granpa]

it seems to read very differently in the Septuagint

 

[Hizikyah]

it seems to read very differently in the Septuagint

Well, it was originally written in Hebrew, and that was translated into the (Greek) Septuagint.

 

[granpa]

I very much doubt that it was originally in either one

 

[Hizikyah]

I very much doubt that it was originally in either one

Are you saying Job (Iyyob) was not originally written in Hebrew or Greek?

 

[granpa]

bear in mind that, while today a great deal of time and energy is spent getting making sure that the Scriptures are accurate, when these books were first compiled they were not considered scripture. They were just books. People copied them and edited them and translated them from one language to another to another (and sometimes back to the original language) and thought nothing of it.

later generations would have had no idea which manuscripts were most accurate and would simply have gone with whatever made the most sense to them at that time.

 

[Hizikyah]

bear in mind that, while today a great deal of time and energy is spent getting making sure that the Scriptures are accurate, when these books were first compiled they were not considered scripture. They were just books. People copied them and edited them and translated them from one language to another to another (and sometimes back to the original language) and thought nothing of it.

later generations would have had no idea which manuscripts were most accurate and would simply have gone with whatever made the most sense to them at that time.

Studying history can give hints into proper scribe work.

Archeology has shown certain families of manuscripts to be in error while others are sown to be accurate.