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Blain

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The bible, one of the most known and yet misunderstood book in history. What is the bible to most people? to many unbelievers its a book that collects dust. what is the bible to Christians? the word of God correct? We study it, we read it, we memorize it and we teach it. However have you noticed something a bit off about the bible and and us Christians? If the bible really is the very word of God to us how is it we pick and choose parts of it to believe and not believe? How is it we pull verses out of context to fit our beliefs? how is it we even use it to attack or condemn each other? Something as holy and sacred as the word of God is used incorrectly by many. I have even heard some ppl say that part of the bible is irrelevant or doesn't really matter, some even say that some parts of it are not holy spirit inspired. Our views beliefs and doctrines not only separate the bible but even to some makes part of it not from God.

So we have to make a decision don't we? either the bible is the word of God or only part or most of it is. has anyone ever seen the kind of power that a single scripture has? The power of God flows richly between those pages and yet see how we use it. each scripture each verse has more power in it than a nuke, hard to believe isn't it? God showed me this a long time ago, not by sight but the knowledge of it was just put in my heart. He also taught me to use his word with care and caution, to treat is a holy and sacred thing. With a holy and sacred thing you always take very good care of it and you never just do as you please with it do you? Scriptures are thrown here and there all the time and I doubt a lot of ppl understand how holy and sacred it really is or else they would not use it against each other like they do. Some go by the guise of teaching or correcting and some of them really are but I have seen many who say this but in reality they are simply using it to prove they are right.

True I don't use a lot of scripture when I post especially in a heated debate and I have upset ppl because of this. But because of how I see the word of God because of how sacred and holy it is to me I do not want to use it to prove I am right I won't even use it in a lot of my posts not because I don't know the scripture or am to lazy, not because it is so holy and sacred that i wont use it but because I only use it when I know 100% that God wants me to. you see it's very easy to use scripture the wrong way, you might use it with the wrong motives even if it seems like a godly thing if the heart isn't right then we are misusing it. it isn't often that God calls me use scripture but I am more content to use it only when I know for sure he wants me to than to use it with the wrong heart motive or intent.
 

wattie

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Context is soo important!

Like someone said.. this guy is reading the bible and they decide the best way to read is to ask God to reveal something to him and then just lets the bible open and see what page opens and they will do that verse.

So what page falls open? Judas hanging himself.

So they then do it again- let the bible fall open a page. What verse opens? Go and do thus.

So the mistakenly interpret that God wants them to commit suicide!

Now this is an extreme case of making a mockery of scripture without context, but you'd be suprised what people do with individual verses to apply them very broadly to all kinds of situations.. eg.

'faith without works is dead' is soooooo often misapplied.

another one - 'where two or three are gathered, there I am with them'... people want to apply this to all kinds of situations..when the context is about resolving disputes between local church members.

'he who endureth to the end will be saved' another one that gets removed from it's surrounding verses about escape and deliverance from persecution and trials.

It goes on and on..
 
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The bible, one of the most known and yet misunderstood book in history.
Hi Blain, I certainly agree with your statement that the Bible is one of the most misunderstood books in all of history.
 

nogard

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People look at a passage or a selection of passages or the entire book as a whole and draw interpretations from those passages. Different interpretations are made and not everyone agrees with them. That's why we have so many different denominations within Christianity.

The truth is, every single Christian follows their own interpretation of the Bible, including you Blain. So what is the Bible actually saying then? The answer is: It depends who you ask.
 

wattie

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nogard.. what about the bible interpreting itself? Eg.. line upon line, precept upon precept, scripture with scripture?
 

Blain

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People look at a passage or a selection of passages or the entire book as a whole and draw interpretations from those passages. Different interpretations are made and not everyone agrees with them. That's why we have so many different denominations within Christianity.

The truth is, every single Christian follows their own interpretation of the Bible, including you Blain. So what is the Bible actually saying then? The answer is: It depends who you ask.
Actually I don't get my interpretation from a single scripture by that scripture alone, I have to look up many other verses that have to do with that one scripture and get my interpretation that way. If one scripture speaks about baptisms I look up several more verses about baptisms in order to understand what the first verse is saying
 
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nogard.. what about the bible interpreting itself? Eg.. line upon line, precept upon precept, scripture with scripture?
Here's what happens when people interpret the Bible:

 

Blain

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Here's what happens when people interpret the Bible:

lol ok I gotta admit that is funny because of how true it isXD
 

Joidevivre

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That's what happens when people interpret the bible without the Holy Spirit indwelling them. And Cycle is an self-described atheist - of course he would not understand it. I would not laugh at anything he said.

Anyone who has the Holy Spirit and is dwelling in Christ will be led to the truth of scripture which is really quite simple. Unless you want to pick apart things that are not worth arguing about.
 

Blain

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That's what happens when people interpret the bible without the Holy Spirit indwelling them. And Cycle is an self-described atheist - of course he would not understand it. I would not laugh at anything he said.

Anyone who has the Holy Spirit and is dwelling in Christ will be led to the truth of scripture which is really quite simple. Unless you want to pick apart things that are not worth arguing about.
Yes I know he is an atheist but what he posted is true, the many different interpretations of scripture are the cause of all the denominations and most of them are Christians who say they have the holy spirit.
 

Joidevivre

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But when you really have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who Jesus said would guide you into all truth, you will know the truth and who speaks it.

And the truth is really quite simple - it always testifies about Jesus. It never glorifies the person or their experiences - always Jesus. The person who speaks of our Lord is the one who speaks to my heart. And always encourages me. Even Paul said he never boasted (or spoke) of things he experienced in the Lord - but would only preach Christ crucified. Which is also what His death means to all of us.
 

Blain

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But when you really have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who Jesus said would guide you into all truth, you will know the truth and who speaks it.

And the truth is really quite simple - it always testifies about Jesus. It never glorifies the person or their experiences - always Jesus. The person who speaks of our Lord is the one who speaks to my heart. And always encourages me. Even Paul said he never boasted (or spoke) of things he experienced in the Lord - but would only preach Christ crucified. Which is also what His death means to all of us.
Then perhaps most ppl who have all these different interpretations either don't have the holy spirit or just aren't using him? I mean why is that we have a single scripture and for Christians we have at least five different views or interpretations for it? If it is really that easy to understand scripture then why is is we have this vast difference in our understanding of it?

I don't think it is a simple thing to understand scripture. the bible is like an onion or the earths crust it has many layers, it also something that not just anyone can understand. not only do you have to have the holy spirit to even see the truth in scripture but you also have to have to either have studied it a whole lot or are mature in faith to fully comprehend the scriptures. The bible is not something that is easy to read and understand and it can't be seen correctly if God himself doesn't reveal it to you. Had God not revealed it to me I never would have understand just how powerful scripture is, I might have known but not understood
 

Angela53510

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I really disagree with this OP, Blain. You are basically saying we should put the Bible in a box and not use it. And Cycle is totally wrong. Many of the divisions come from people correctly dividing the Word of God, and breaking away from the RCC which DID lock the Bible in a Latin box, so the people could not read it. That was the essence of how so many wrong doctrines came to be! The RCC not using the Bible, as you continue to do in the BIBLE Discussion Forum.

Context and the original languages are so vital in understanding the Bible. In fact, not knowing the whole Bible is how bad doctrines are formed. Other times, it is the imperfections of men, NOT God's Word that is the problem.

A very negative thread, indeed! Interesting you had nothing to contribute in the agreement thread, at least not in the first 18 pages. Was that because that thread affirms the Bible??
 

Angela53510

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Blain, if I were you. I would stop relying on your "experience" so much, and instead rely on the Bible. That is my last post on this appalling topic!
 

Blain

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I really disagree with this OP, Blain. You are basically saying we should put the Bible in a box and not use it. And Cycle is totally wrong. Many of the divisions come from people correctly dividing the Word of God, and breaking away from the RCC which DID lock the Bible in a Latin box, so the people could not read it. That was the essence of how so many wrong doctrines came to be! The RCC not using the Bible, as you continue to do in the BIBLE Discussion Forum.

Context and the original languages are so vital in understanding the Bible. In fact, not knowing the whole Bible is how bad doctrines are formed. Other times, it is the imperfections of men, NOT God's Word that is the problem.

A very negative thread, indeed! Interesting you had nothing to contribute in the agreement thread, at least not in the first 18 pages. Was that because that thread affirms the Bible??
Angela I never said to put it in a box I was merely saying to be careful with how you use it and treat it. ppl throw scripture at each other all williy nilly and scripture is a precious and sacred thing not something to prove your right and not to use to condemn each other. and I didn't respond for the first 18 pages because I was busy.
 

Angela53510

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Busy writing a thread whch says to "be careful" about how to use the Bible, I guess?

I think we all understand how precious the Bible is, that is why we use it. Not confirming a statement with the Bible, is like not being a Christian. The Bible is our foundation, our hope, and the place we go for inspiration, knowledge, comfort, rebuke, solace, trust......
 

Blain

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Busy writing a thread whch says to "be careful" about how to use the Bible, I guess?

I think we all understand how precious the Bible is, that is why we use it. Not confirming a statement with the Bible, is like not being a Christian. The Bible is our foundation, our hope, and the place we go for inspiration, knowledge, comfort, rebuke, solace, trust......
It's not really your concern what I was doing but I honestly don't care what you think of me and of what I post. You are not the one I am trying to please
 

nogard

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That's what happens when people interpret the bible without the Holy Spirit indwelling them. And Cycle is an self-described atheist - of course he would not understand it. I would not laugh at anything he said.

Anyone who has the Holy Spirit and is dwelling in Christ will be led to the truth of scripture which is really quite simple. Unless you want to pick apart things that are not worth arguing about.

This is the whole point of what I was getting at earlier. Every Christian believes their denomination has the correct interpretation of Scripture, is Bible-believing, and led by the Holy Spirit. And they thinks that all the other denominations rely on interpretations from men, are not Spirit-led, and do not build their doctrine entirely from the Bible.

The question is, how naïve can you be? Do you not realize that every Christian in the world under the wide umbrella of Christianity believes that the specific form of Christianity that they adhere to is the correct and God-breathed form?

You can say what you want, but every denomination has people who are experts in the Bible, people that can make you and me look like complete idiots. Yet there is still this division, there is still this wide difference in interpretations.

I stand by my previous assertion. What does the Bible actually say? The answer is: It depends who you ask.
 

blue_ladybug

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It's not really your concern what I was doing but I honestly don't care what you think of me and of what I post. You are not the one I am trying to please

​okay, you two.. time out..go to your corners and sit.. lol :)
 
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Context is soo important!

Like someone said.. this guy is reading the bible and they decide the best way to read is to ask God to reveal something to him and then just lets the bible open and see what page opens and they will do that verse.

So what page falls open? Judas hanging himself.

So they then do it again- let the bible fall open a page. What verse opens? Go and do thus.

So the mistakenly interpret that God wants them to commit suicide!

Now this is an extreme case of making a mockery of scripture without context, but you'd be suprised what people do with individual verses to apply them very broadly to all kinds of situations.. eg.

'faith without works is dead' is soooooo often misapplied.

another one - 'where two or three are gathered, there I am with them'... people want to apply this to all kinds of situations..when the context is about resolving disputes between local church members.

'he who endureth to the end will be saved' another one that gets removed from it's surrounding verses about escape and deliverance from persecution and trials.

It goes on and on..
Your right about a lot of this, as for just opening the Bible and reading.. I wouldn't advise others to do this, other then just for reading, if you need reassurance, the whole world is His creation and at His discretion, not just His living word, trust Him. My particular situation, He did use this method, Idk why it came to my mind to do so, just did, but I guess one could only understand better if they were walking in my 11s... See what I see... But everything else I agree with as well.