QUESTION! (about Christmas and Easter)

[blue_ladybug]

This is how the story of santa clause...

Molech, the people would worship him on december 25th, everyone would fill out a list of their desires, then they would take a child and get Molech red hot with fire, they would place the child on Molech's lap to fulfill the desires...

Today we call him Santa...

​umm, nooooooo..just no.. that's wrong.. Santa was originally known as sinter (spelling?) claus.. you've been reading too many fairy tales, T_..

 

[didymos]

I think I just did (in a way)

 

[T_Laurich]

​umm, nooooooo..just no.. that's wrong.. Santa was originally known as sinter (spelling?) claus.. you've been reading too many fairy tales, T_..

No I havn't research the history of Molech, or Ba'al..... and please
EVERYONE SAYING THAT IT IS THE "USED TOO" THAT COUNTS!!
OR THAT "IT'S WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT"....


CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN DEUT 12-28-32... NONE OF YOU HAVE!

 

[didymos]

????

Psa 119:24 Thy testimonies also are my delight and my counsellors.

That too, but what I meant was Psalm 118:24 (lol, thnx)

 

[oldhermit]

What about DEUT 12 which says that we should not worship in the way the pagans do? That we should not take their holidays and dedicate them to God, for it is an ABOMINATION unto GOD!

God instructed Israel to be a prescinded nation of people. They were forbidden to embrace or engage in the idolatrous practices of the nations around them. This was not a referendum on a date on a calender. If one of the Jewish holy days happened to fall on the same day as a pagan holy day did this mean they were not to observe that day?

 

[prove-all]

Uh, if we teach them that Santa is the one to thank and worship for all the good gifts we receive. If we pervert our worship of God with pagan practices, yes.

yes but we don't, we lie to the kids and give them presents why?

Jesus was given presents because he was a king, not because it was his birthday.

now people buy more presents for themselves, and go broke doing so.

the biggest money maker in the year for gready merchents.

 

[T_Laurich]

God instructed Israel to be a prescinded nation of people. They were forbidden to embrace or engage in the idolatrous practices of the nations around them. This was not a referendum on a date on a calender. If one of the Jewish holy days happened to fall on the same day as a pagan holy day does did this mean they were not to observe that day?

28 Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the Lord thy God.
29 When the Lord thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
31 Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.


Deut 12, says that if the pagans are practicing the 40 days of nonpleasure, and you practice the Sabbath, you are not to follow their ways... DO NOT WORSHIP GOD IN THE WAY THEY DO!

 

[blue_ladybug]

28 Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the Lord thy God.
29 When the Lord thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
31 Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.


Deut 12, says that if the pagans are practicing the 40 days of nonpleasure, and you practice the Sabbath, you are not to follow their ways... DO NOT WORSHIP GOD IN THE WAY THEY DO!

Exactly!! We are not to celebrate pagan holidays the way the pagans did..which means no burning of children on Santa's lap, no ritual sacrifices, etc.. We are to celebrate DIFFERENTLY from how the pagans did.. You just answered your own question, T_..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

People used to. They also used to celebrate the seasons called xmas and Ishtar in very disgusting ways.

yep.

So people celebrating the Lords birthday, and death and ressurection, And using this to bring many people to Christ. is a disgusting thing.

Poor God, He is unable to take something meant for bad, turn it into Good, and use it to his honor and Glory.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Exactly!! We are not to celebrate pagan holidays the way the pagans did..which means no burning of children on Santa's lap, no ritual sacrifices, etc.. We are to celebrate DIFFERENTLY from how the pagans did.. You just answered your own question, T_..

He does not want to see this though, He has been told the same thing over and over, yet still argues.

 

[T_Laurich]

Exactly!! We are not to celebrate pagan holidays the way the pagans did..which means no burning of children on Santa's lap, no ritual sacrifices, etc.. We are to celebrate DIFFERENTLY from how the pagans did.. You just answered your own question, T_..

No I didn't, we get santa from Molech(god of prosperity), we get the tree and hang balls from it, from Ra, Apolos, and Nimrod(to represent thier male parts), we get eating Ham from Tammuz, we get Dying eggs from Ishtar, we get Lent from Tammuz... SHALL I CONTINUE?

 

[oldhermit]

28 Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the Lord thy God.
29 When the Lord thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
31 Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.


Deut 12, says that if the pagans are practicing the 40 days of nonpleasure, and you practice the Sabbath, you are not to follow their ways... DO NOT WORSHIP GOD IN THE WAY THEY DO!

What does worshiping the living God on a given day have to do with those who worship false gods on the same day? Are you trying to use this logic to simply dismiss the inspired words of Paul? Since both ideas do not agree one of them is wrong.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No I didn't, we get santa from Molech(god of prosperity), we get the tree and hang balls from it, from Ra, Apolos, and Nimrod(to represent thier male parts), we get eating Ham from Tammuz, we get Dying eggs from Ishtar, we get Lent from Tammuz... SHALL I CONTINUE?

Yes you shall..

You shall answer WHY God uses these holidays for his own good. and brings many people to himself through them, and why you are trying to destroy his good work? and turn it into a pagan ritual.

Hating catholicism is one thing, making a feeble argument with not much basis of fact is a far other.

Your ignoring all the good God does on those holidays

 

[T_Laurich]

What does worshiping the living God on a given day have to do with those who worship false gods on the same day? Are you trying to use this logic to simply dismiss the inspired words of Paul? Since both ideas do not agree one of them is wrong.

They way we worship God is what I am talking about...

I am not going to forget about God and not worship him because pagans are woshiping their god's the same day...

NO!!! I WILL WORSHIP GOD IN THE WAYS HE COMMANDS!

 

[T_Laurich]

Yes you shall..

You shall answer WHY God uses these holidays for his own good. and brings many people to himself through them, and why you are trying to destroy his good work? and turn it into a pagan ritual.

Hating catholicism is one thing, making a feeble argument with not much basis of fact is a far other.

Your ignoring all the good God does on those holidays

What good, according to Deut 12, it's an abomination unto the Lord?
I mean seriously you have not shown that Deut12 is no longer in use...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They way we worship God is what I am talking about...

I am not going to forget about God and not worship him because pagans are woshiping their god's the same day...

NO!!! I WILL WORSHIP GOD IN THE WAYS HE COMMANDS!

great, then stop judging other brothers and sisters who wish to worship his birth and death, and God who has used these days to his honor and glory, in-spite of the pagan traditions.

 

[blue_ladybug]

No I didn't, we get santa from Molech(god of prosperity), we get the tree and hang balls from it, from Ra, Apolos, and Nimrod(to represent thier male parts), we get eating Ham from Tammuz, we get Dying eggs from Ishtar, we get Lent from Tammuz... SHALL I CONTINUE?

These are all mythical, legendary gods, T_.. There is only ONE TRUE LIVING GOD!! His name is JESUS CHRIST!! These gods are as non-existent as the world was BEFORE God created it! You gotta stop believing in legends and myths..

 

[T_Laurich]

These are all mythical, legendary gods, T_.. There is only ONE TRUE LIVING GOD!! His name is JESUS CHRIST!! These gods are as non-existent as the world was BEFORE God created it! You gotta stop believing in legends and myths..

What does Deut 12:28-32 say???

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What good, according to Deut 12, it's an abomination unto the Lord?
I mean seriously you have not shown that Deut12 is no longer in use...

what good?

If you get your head out of religion (I wanted to say something else, but would not be polite, not accepted in a Christian chat room) and look at the many people who have come to God in those days BECAUSE of those days,

you would know what good.

 

[oldhermit]

They way we worship God is what I am talking about...

I am not going to forget about God and not worship him because pagans are woshiping their god's the same day...

NO!!! I WILL WORSHIP GOD IN THE WAYS HE COMMANDS!

Then what you are challenging is not the day in and of itself but the "practices" that compliment the day. Christmas trees, Santa, Easter bunny, etc. Correct?