Why Didn't Adam Drop Dead?

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†. Gen 2:15-17 . .The Lord God took the man and placed him in the garden
of Eden, to till it and tend it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying:
Of every tree of the garden you are free to eat; but as for the tree of
knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat of it; for in the day you eat of
it, you shall die.

Obviously God's warning wasn't a threat of summary capital punishment
because Adam wasn't put to death on the day he tasted the forbidden tree.
In point of fact, he went on to engender Cain, Able, and Seth-- living 800
years beyond the birth of Seth; having sons and daughters along the way
(Gen 5:4-5). Contrary to popular opinion; Adam wasn't sentenced to death
for eating the fruit; no; he was sentenced to death for listening to his wife.
(Gen 3:17-19)

So then, seeing as how Gen 2:15-17 wasn't a threat of capital punishment;
then what was it? It was fair warning that the tree was a health risk; viz: it
was unfit for human consumption and the reason being that its chemistry
was powerful enough to cause permanent brain damage; and it wasn't long
before symptoms of that showed up.

†. Gen 2:25 . . Now, although Adam and his wife were both naked, neither
of them felt any shame.

That was the first couple's mental condition prior to tasting the forbidden
fruit.

†. Gen 3:7 . .Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized
they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made aprons for
themselves.

That became their mental condition after tasting the fruit. What happened?

After tasting the fruit, Adam and his wife became painfully conscious of their
appearance in the buff and immediately covered up their pelvic areas. They
didn't even want to be seen naked by each other, though they were a
married couple and no doubt the picture of health and beauty.

†. Gen 3:8-10 . .The man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as
He was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the
Lord God among the trees of the garden. But the Lord God called to the
man: Where are you? He answered: I heard you in the garden, and I was
afraid because I was naked; so I hid.

†. Gen 3:11 . . He said: Who told you that you were naked?

Linguistically Gen 3:11 is an accurate translation. However, it's not what
God meant. He wanted to know who told Adam that nudity is indecent. You
see; man's creator isn't offended by nudity. In God's mind; the naked
human body is not just good; but very good (Gen 1:31) but in Adam's
altered consciousness, the naked human body is obscene. The chemistry in
the forbidden fruit had really done a number on Adam's perception of right
and wrong; and all of his perception took place in the 3-pound lump of
flabby organic tissue housed in his bony little skull sufficing for a mind.

It is very humbling to realize that all of us are the persons that not we; but
that our brains make us; and our brains can very easily make us into
another person without our consent.

A touching movie based on this very subject is "Regarding Henry" starring
Harrison Ford. He plays a hard-boiled, callous attorney who, after being shot
by a punk in a mom and pop store robbery, comes out of a coma with a
totally different personality. The hard-boiled, callous attorney is gone. One
of the two bullets he was hit with had damaged an important vein in his
shoulder area that supplied blood to his head.

I once read the true story of a woman who was in a very bad auto accident
that left her in a coma for a while. When she came to; the woman was
someone else. Her favorite foods were no longer her favorites. Her favorite
colors were no longer her favorites. She preferred different fashions,
different kinds of music, different hair styles, different kinds of
entertainment, and even her mannerisms were different. She came out of
the coma with a whole new personality. The woman was so unlike her
original self that neither her own children nor her own husband recognized
her. They could legitimately ask: Where is our mother; and what have you
done with her?

Well; after his eating that fruit, one could ask: Where is Adam, and what
have you done with him?

That Adam-- the innocent Adam --was dead and gone; replaced by an
altered Adam who had a whole new set of proclivities and he got neither his
altered consciousness nor his new proclivities from God nor did he get them
from the Serpent either. He acquired them as a direct result of eating that
fruit.

A new study led by Chen-Yu Zhang, of Nanjing University, found that
fragments of plant genetic material survive digestion and wind up swimming
in the bloodstreams of humans and cows. Those tiny strands of RNA that
somehow make it through the toxic acids and enzymes in the gut come from
rice and the plant family that includes broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower
and cabbage. Zhang found that they can muffle or amplify human gene
expression in various ways. The discovery could lead to ways of designing
plants that act as medicine or even change our own genetic structure for the
better (or the worse).

And it's well known what happens to kids when they move into adolescence.
Hormonal chemicals kick in, and their childish innocence vanishes; right out
the window. They lose interest in kid's toys and begin to take an interest in
things more appropriate for their age; including a very noticeable interest in
themselves, and in the opposite sex; and most especially in what others
think about them. In other words: they become self-conscious; which
Webster's defines as uncomfortably aware of oneself as an object of the
observation of others.

Those adolescent changes aren't miraculous changes, nor are they spiritual
changes-- they're totally natural, hormonally induced, organic changes. So if
kids undergo a natural kind of metamorphosis because of the chemicals
generated by the glands in their own bodies, then there is good reason to
believe that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil actually did contain
something harmful that caused Adam to undergo some very significant
biological damage; resulting in the termination of his original self; and it
happened not centuries later; but right then and there on the very day he
tasted that fruit.

NOTE: Though Adam and his wife had done a wrong of such magnitude; God
still looked out for them. His first act in a support role was to show them
how to make durable clothing with leather; and people went on making
clothing out of leather for a long while afterwards until somebody invented
weaving.

Now; God didn't do that because He is offended by nudity; no not at all. In
point of fact, I have yet to encounter a single line in the Bible prohibiting
nudity per se. God did it not for His sake; but for theirs. After tasting the
forbidden fruit, they became very uncomfortable with being seen in the buff
and God was sympathetic. But more importantly; God wanted them to stop
hiding out when He dropped in in on them for a visit now and then. I mean,
after all, God made human beings for fellowship, and if they were going to
hide out every time He dropped in, then what's the point?

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Calminian

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†. Gen 2:15-17 . .The Lord God took the man and placed him in the garden
of Eden, to till it and tend it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying:
Of every tree of the garden you are free to eat; but as for the tree of
knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat of it; for in the day you eat of
it, you shall die.

Obviously God's warning wasn't a threat of summary capital punishment
because Adam wasn't put to death on the day he tasted the forbidden tree.
In point of fact, he went on to engender Cain, Able, and Seth-- living 800
years beyond the birth of Seth; having sons and daughters along the way
(Gen 5:4-5). Contrary to popular opinion; Adam wasn't sentenced to death
for eating the fruit; no; he was sentenced to death for listening to his wife.
(Gen 3:17-19)...
Yes, Adam was indeed sentenced (so to speak) to death for partaking of the tree of knowledge. There is an idiom used in hebrew to express certainty. Translated literally, the phrase would sound like "in the day you eat of it, dying you shall die." This combining of the infinitive absolute and the qal imperfect was a way to express the certainty of an action. What God was saying was, the very day Adam eats, his death became a certainty. It is not saying anything about the immediacy of this death.

A lot of people get confused about this as we don't quite have an idiom like this in english, and so it's difficult to translate. Yet we see this very same idiom used elsewhere in scripture, describing a similar death penalty, using the very same terms.

1Kings 2:36 Then the king sent for Shimeia and said to him, “Build yourself a house in Jerusalem and live there, but do not go anywhere else. 37 The day you leave and cross the Kidron Valley, you can be sure you will die; your blood will be on your own head.” (NIV)

In the hebrew, this phrase is virtually identical. b-yom (in the day) and mot tamut (dying you shall die). Solomon tells Shimeia, the day you leave, dying you will die. And Shimeia did leave one day, and he did die, but not the day he left. It took a few days to execute the judgement. But what Solomon was really saying was, his death became a certainty the day he left. And this is exactly what Adam was told. The very day you eat of the tree of knowledge, your fate is sealed. Your death will be a certainty.

Now Shimeia, had traveled for a few days before he was finally caught up to and killed, but some wonder why God didn't act immediately in regard to Adam's disobedience. The statement of certainty doesn't require death immediately, but doesn't prevent it either. The key is likely the sacrifice of the animals whose skins were used to cover Adam and Eve. God immediately replaced the plant-based clothing Adam had made with animal skin clothing. Thus God killed an animal to cover them, and it would seem prolonged their lives by this means, satisfying his justice temporarily. But death eventually did come, just as God had warned. Later of course, God would give mankind a permanent perfect sacrifice in Christ Jesus, for all ages.

Hope that helps.
 
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Dorcas

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[FONT=&quot]Adam died in the day that he ate from the tree of knowledge. God’s sense of time is different from ours at 2 Peter 3:8 it says that a day is as a thousand years to God. Adam died when he was 930 years old, so in that sense he died within the very day he ate the fruit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I think you are missing the significance of Adam partaking of the fruit from the tree. Adam had a chance to prove himself loyal and obedient to God. When he ate the fruit he chose to be disobedient to God. The tree wasn’t poisonous or mind altering as you said. The tree represented God’s right as the creator to set the standards of good and bad. When Adam ate from the tree he was now setting his own standards of good and bad. He decided to rule himself and not submit to God. So this called into question God’s right and qualifications to rule. Who could rule better God or man? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]God let Adam and Eve have children and he has allowed imperfect humans to rule themselves. So that we could see firsthand what the outcome would be. It has been 6000 years since we have been ruling ourselves, setting our own standards. We can all see that humankind has failed miserably at ruling themselves and taking care of the earth. God will soon step in and put an end to human rulership. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You commented that Adam had brain damage after eating the fruit. You sited Genesis 3:7 Adam and Eve now noticed their nakedness and were ashamed. I liken this to toddlers they they often want to run around the house naked. They are not aware of anything shameful. They have no need to feel shame they are pure and innocent in thought. After Adam and Eve ate the fruit their guilty, sin-stricken consciences made them aware that they were naked. They were no longer pure and sinless before God.[/FONT]
 

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In a sense Adam died that same day as his spirit was separated from the Source of Life.
He continued existing as a lake cut off from its inlets of springs...in stagnation.