Why Was Cain Rejected?

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†. Gen 4:2b . . Abel became a keeper of sheep, and Cain became a tiller of
the soil.

Both men worked at honorable professions and their skills were essential to
the Adams' survival. Man at this time was a vegetarian so Cain farmed and
raised the family's food; while Abel kept them clothed and shod by tending
flocks for leather; and possibly fleece too.

†. Gen 4:3-4a . . In the course of time, Cain brought an offering to The Lord
from the fruit of the soil; and Abel, for his part, brought the choicest of the
firstlings of his flock.

There's no indication in this scene suggesting their oblations were sacrifices
for sin. The Hebrew word for their offerings is from minchah (min-khaw')
and means: to apportion, i.e. bestow; a donation; euphemistically, tribute;
specifically a sacrificial offering (usually bloodless and voluntary).

Since the offerings were minchah type offerings-- which are essentially gifts
rather than atonements --it would be wrong to insist Abel slew his firstling
and/or burned it to ashes. In point of fact, holocaust offerings are indicated
by the word 'olah (o-law') instead of minchah; for example Gen 22:2.

Ancient rabbis understood the brothers' offerings to be a "first fruits" kind of
oblation.

T. And it was at the end of days, on the fourteenth of Nisan, that Kain
brought of the produce of the earth, the seed of cotton (or line), an oblation
of first things before the Lord; and Habel brought of the firstlings of the
flock. (Targum Jonathan)

Seeing as how Cain was a farmer, then in his case, an amount of produce
was the appropriate first fruits offering, and seeing as how Abel was an
animal husbandman, then in his case a head of livestock was the appropriate
first fruits offering.

I think it's safe to assume the brothers were no longer boys, but rather,
responsible men in this particular scene because God is going to treat them
that way. This incident is not said to be the very first time they brought gifts
to God. The brothers (and very likely their parents too), probably had been
bringing gifts for many years; ever since they were of age. And up to this
point, apparently both men were doing everything right and God was just as
much pleased with Cain and his gifts as He was with Abel and his gifts.

But where did they get this religion of theirs? Well; wasn't Abel a prophet?

"Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the
prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, from the
blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar
and the sanctuary." (Luke 11:50-51a)

It's evident then that the offerings were a legitimate part of a God-given
religion rather than a pagan ritual. (cf. Heb 11:4)

†. Gen 4:4b-5a . .The Lord paid heed to Abel and his offering, but to Cain
and his offering He paid no heed.

It's common for poorly-trained Bible students to trip up on the nature of the
offerings and totally miss the role that the nature of the men played in their
worship; in other words: they assume Cain was rejected because his offering
was bloodless and they attempt to justify their theory by citing the below:

"It was by faith that Abel brought a more acceptable offering to God than
Cain did. God accepted Abel's offering to show that he was a righteous
man." (Heb 11:4)

However, the focus in both Genesis and Hebrews is not really upon the
offerings because it's okay for a minchah to be bloodless. The focus is
actually upon faith and righteousness; viz: the focus is upon the nature of
the brother's conduct rather than upon the nature of their gifts. Abel's
conduct was righteous; hence God felt honored by his gift; while Cain's
conduct was unrighteous; hence God felt insulted by his gift.

Cain was of a good family. He wasn't the product of poverty or an inner city
barrio or dilapidated public housing. His mother wasn't cruel and/or
thoughtless, nor did she neglect or abandon him. He wasn't in a gang, didn't
carry a church key, a shank, an ice pick, or a gun; didn't smoke weed, drink,
snort coke, take meth, gamble or chase women. He was very religious and
worshipped the exact same God that his brother worshipped, and the rituals
he practiced were correct and timely.

Cain worked for a living in an honest profession. He wasn't a thief, wasn't a
predatory lender, wasn't a Wall Street barracuda, dishonest investment
banker, or an unscrupulous social network mogul. He wasn't a cheap
politician, wasn't a terrorist, wasn't on the take, wasn't lazy, nor did he
associate with the wrong crowd. The man did everything a model citizen is
supposed to do; yet he, and subsequently his gift, were soundly rejected
because he was unrighteous.

In what way was he unrighteous? Well, Cain's blemish is an elephant in the
middle of the room. It was friction between him and his brother. It is
unacceptable to worship God while the worshipper's relationship with their
brother is dysfunctional.

"Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your
brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar,
and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and
offer your gift." (Matt 5:23-24)

†. Gen 4:5b-7a . . Cain was much distressed and his face fell. And the Lord
said to Cain: Why are you distressed, and why is your face fallen? If you do
what is right, will you not be accepted?

Cain knew the drill; viz: it's righteousness first and worship second. That can
be readily seen played out in the first chapter of Isaiah where Yhvh's people
are depicted practicing their God-given worship to perfection. They were
attending Temple on a timely basis, praying up a storm, offering all the
correct sacrifices and offerings, observing the Sabbath, and all the feasts
days. But God soundly rejected all of that because their conduct was
unbecoming.

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Jeremiah 13:23 Can an Ethiopian change his skin or a leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

Matthew 12:33 “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
 

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Cain was rejected because he did not bring the blood sacrifice God required. Cain brought of his righteousness not of the righteousness God required. Cain further rejected Gods sin offering when He offered.

It's pure conjecture that they were vegetarians.

For the cause of Christ
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Cain did what probably 90 percent of the worlds religions does. What much of so called Christianity does. and what the jews have been practicing for years.

Human good, Religion, An attempt to please God by our good deeds, thinking God will look at us with honor..

God did what he does to all those religious works based beliefs, He rejected it.

Cain also did what usually happens when you are rejected. Got mad, and instead of looking inward to see what he did wrong, repent, and change, He blamed his rejection on the one God received, and killed him. Just like the pharisees killed Christ.
 

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He was rejected because he was sinful and refused to change. “If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.” Gen 4:7.

Cain's rejection had nothing to do with the type of sacrifice he offered.

By oldhermit
A. “In the course of time.” Literally, “at the end of days.” What is the end of days suggested by the context? What would contextually mark this particular course of time?


1. Popular options


a. The end of a seven day period.
b. The anniversary of the end of creation. The problem with both of these theories is that they cannot be arrived from the contents of the context.

2. The only temporal indicator offered by the text is that of the time of harvest. Thus, the course of time from one harvest to the next. We know this because of the type of sacrifice both men are offering. “And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. And Abel, he ALSO brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof.”
3. Both men are offering the offering of first-fruits, one of the flock and one of the earth. Both are legitimate sacrifices. Cain, being a tiller of the ground naturally offers the first-fruit of his crop. Being a keeper of the flock, Able offers his first-fruit of the flock. What implications can we generalize from Able offering up the fat portions of his sacrifice?

a. That the offering of sacrifice had already been regulated by both time and procedure.

* It was offered at the proper time - “at the end of days.”
* There is no separation of the fat from the sacrifice. It was offered up as a whole sacrifice.

b. That sacrifices were a matter of instruction. How did they know to offer these sacrifices and how these sacrifices were to be offered in such a way that would be acceptable to the Lord? This instructed had to be revealed instruction. Even if they received the practice from their father Adam still had to have received it from the Lord.
c. This is not their first sacrifice.
d. The possibility that other types of sacrifices were also being offered that did not require the separation of the fat portions.

4. No indicators from the text that the sacrifice of Able had any connection to atonement or even contrition. In other words this is not a sin sacrifice.

a. There is no sprinkling of blood mentioned.
b. There is no removal of the intestines or the refuse mentioned.
This is a sacrifice of thanksgiving. Cain offered his first-fruits as a matter of thanksgiving. This is the nature if any first-fruit offering. The text says that Able ALSO of his first. Both men are offering the same sacrifice. Why then was Cain's sacrifice not accepted? This rejection seems to stem from Cain's relationship with his brother.
 
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I have a different theory that just came to my mind recently. But before I say that I want to say that I agree that this was not the first time they brought offerings. Which makes sense because God is patient when we fail and gives us time to change. I think He was not pleased because Cain didn't change but kept doing it the wrong way without remorse. God would not be upset unless Cain knew what he was doing was wrong and chose to do it anyway, and on a constant basis.

Ok here's my theory. The things done spiritually in the old testament represented how things are done spiritually in the new testament. Therefore it was very important for them to physically get it right. God required a certain amount of a certain thing. God required an animal sacrifice, not grain. Just because Cain worked with grain does not mean he couldn't get animals for the sacrifice. Im sure Abel did not keep all the animals to himself even though it was his job to work with them. Besides Cain could have traded some grain for animals. Whatever the case he knew what he was doing was wrong.

The bible says that we eat the meat, but that the fat belongs to the Lord. I was thinking about these verses when making steak. I looked at the raw steak and seen swirls of white fat throughout the red meat, but mostly around the edges. And it looked to me like ten percent was fat. And I thought about fattening foods and how fat destroys our bodies. Obese people have too much fat.

Then I applied the thought to money- which is what we sacrifice today. What if we gave God 'wheat' and kept the 'fat' for ourselves? If fat is what God required, and we gave Him wheat- that would be giving God dittily squat. Wheat doesn't contain animal fat. If we make, lets just say two thousand a month, and we sacrifice to God one penny a month- that is giving Him wheat- there's no fat in that- its not enough to work with. What can you buy for the poor with a penny today? What if you gave a crumb the size of a pencil tip to a starving person and said be well fed? There is not enough fat to sustain them. It is even more cruel than if you hadn't gave at all. Is your sacrifice fattening?
 

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Cain also did what usually happens when you are rejected. Got mad, and
instead of looking inward to see what he did wrong, repent, and change, He
blamed his rejection on the one God received, and killed him. Just like the
pharisees killed Christ.
Central to Cain's problem is something very common in human nature:
sibling rivalry. To be shown up by someone outside the family would have
been okay, but to be shown up by his kid brother was intolerable.

†. Gen 4:8a . . Now Cain talked with Abel his brother;

Cain probably complained to his brother that Yhvh was unfair. But the poor
man couldn't have picked a worse sounding board because Abel was a
prophet (Luke 11:50-51). In Cain's dispute with the Lord, Abel no doubt
took Yhvh's side in it. That was too much. There's no way a man like Cain
was going to take a lecture from his own kid brother. Abel's popularity with
God was bad enough, but preaching only made it worse and added insult to
injury.

No doubt Cain resented his kid brother's on-going popularity with God just
as the Pharisees resented Jesus.

"So when the crowd had gathered, Pilate asked them: Which one do you
want me to release to you: Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ? For he
knew it was out of envy that they had handed Jesus over to him." (Matt
27:17-18)

Poor Abel lost his life just because he was a pious man.

"Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother.
And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his
brother's were righteous. Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world
hates you." (1John 3:12-13)

One of the boys involved in the April 20, 1999 Columbine High School
shooting incident shot and killed a girl in the cafeteria just because she
believed in God. Isn't that amazing? That boy was nothing in the world but a
twentieth century Cain with a gun.

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I meant to add, but it didn't let me edit...

We are not required to give a certain percent like they were in the old testament. We are simply instructed: Whoever sows much will reap much, and whoever sows little will reap little. However, if the percent you decide in your heart is wheat and not fat, than your fate is the same as Cain's- for even though he gave within the amount required, he didn't give the fat required. The Pharisees gave ten percent, and Jesus says that if our righteousness does not pass up that of the Pharisees we will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20
 
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notuptome

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He was rejected because he was sinful and refused to change. “If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.” Gen 4:7.

Cain's rejection had nothing to do with the type of sacrifice he offered.

By oldhermit
A. “In the course of time.” Literally, “at the end of days.” What is the end of days suggested by the context? What would contextually mark this particular course of time?


1. Popular options


a. The end of a seven day period.
b. The anniversary of the end of creation. The problem with both of these theories is that they cannot be arrived from the contents of the context.

2. The only temporal indicator offered by the text is that of the time of harvest. Thus, the course of time from one harvest to the next. We know this because of the type of sacrifice both men are offering. “And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. And Abel, he ALSO brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof.”
3. Both men are offering the offering of first-fruits, one of the flock and one of the earth. Both are legitimate sacrifices. Cain, being a tiller of the ground naturally offers the first-fruit of his crop. Being a keeper of the flock, Able offers his first-fruit of the flock. What implications can we generalize from Able offering up the fat portions of his sacrifice?

a. That the offering of sacrifice had already been regulated by both time and procedure.

* It was offered at the proper time - “at the end of days.”
* There is no separation of the fat from the sacrifice. It was offered up as a whole sacrifice.

b. That sacrifices were a matter of instruction. How did they know to offer these sacrifices and how these sacrifices were to be offered in such a way that would be acceptable to the Lord? This instructed had to be revealed instruction. Even if they received the practice from their father Adam still had to have received it from the Lord.
c. This is not their first sacrifice.
d. The possibility that other types of sacrifices were also being offered that did not require the separation of the fat portions.

4. No indicators from the text that the sacrifice of Able had any connection to atonement or even contrition. In other words this is not a sin sacrifice.

a. There is no sprinkling of blood mentioned.
b. There is no removal of the intestines or the refuse mentioned.
This is a sacrifice of thanksgiving. Cain offered his first-fruits as a matter of thanksgiving. This is the nature if any first-fruit offering. The text says that Able ALSO of his first. Both men are offering the same sacrifice. Why then was Cain's sacrifice not accepted? This rejection seems to stem from Cain's relationship with his brother.
I flatly reject your suppositions. Cain's offering was rejected because it was not a blood offering. The one offering God instituted for Adam was a blood offering to cover his sin. Cain was no doubt well versed on this fact but preferred not to bring the offering required and was rejected. The sin offering of Gen 4:7 is a lamb so Cain could have offered the required blood offering but again he directly refused even after God provided it for him.

There is nothing to suggest that the other offerings had yet been instituted but even if they were God still required a blood offering from Cain and Cain refused.

There remains only one offering for sin. Christ Jesus is that offering and nothing that man brings will ever satisfy God. Only the blood of Christ is sufficient. Isaiah 53 God was satisfied and by His stripes we are healed.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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I have a different theory that just came to my mind recently. But before I say that I want to say that I agree that this was not the first time they brought offerings. Which makes sense because God is patient when we fail and gives us time to change. I think He was not pleased because Cain didn't change but kept doing it the wrong way without remorse. God would not be upset unless Cain knew what he was doing was wrong and chose to do it anyway, and on a constant basis.

Ok here's my theory. The things done spiritually in the old testament represented how things are done spiritually in the new testament. Therefore it was very important for them to physically get it right. God required a certain amount of a certain thing. God required an animal sacrifice, not grain. Just because Cain worked with grain does not mean he couldn't get animals for the sacrifice. Im sure Abel did not keep all the animals to himself even though it was his job to work with them. Besides Cain could have traded some grain for animals. Whatever the case he knew what he was doing was wrong.

The bible says that we eat the meat, but that the fat belongs to the Lord. I was thinking about these verses when making steak. I looked at the raw steak and seen swirls of white fat throughout the red meat, but mostly around the edges. And it looked to me like ten percent was fat. And I thought about fattening foods and how fat destroys our bodies. Obese people have too much fat.

Then I applied the thought to money- which is what we sacrifice today. What if we gave God 'wheat' and kept the 'fat' for ourselves? If fat is what God required, and we gave Him wheat- that would be giving God dittily squat. Wheat doesn't contain animal fat. If we make, lets just say two thousand a month, and we sacrifice to God one penny a month- that is giving Him wheat- there's no fat in that- its not enough to work with. What can you buy for the poor with a penny today? What if you gave a crumb the size of a pencil tip to a starving person and said be well fed? There is not enough fat to sustain them. It is even more cruel than if you hadn't gave at all. Is your sacrifice fattening?
I think you missed the point I was making in my previous post. Both men were offering the SAME sacrifice as it is conformed by verse four. "Abel, on his part ALSO brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions." Both men were presenting an offering of firstlings and both are required sacrifices. Cain brought the first-fruit of is crops and Able the firslings of his flock. Both were represented as the best of the heard or the crop. This is shown in the fat portions of Able's sacrifice. All of the fat of any animal sacrifice always belonged to the Lord because it always represented the best of the sacrifice just as the first of the harvest always represented the best of the crops and belonged to the Lord. All of this is seen in the instructions of God in the different sacrifices offered in under the Law.
 
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Again symbolic. Cain was a tiller of the field who brought fruit from it. In other words, he and those like him tried to please God by works and going to church, and with all the fruit of the flesh it entails. Abel was a keeper of the sheep, meaning he looked out for PEOPLE and the poor.
 
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Cain

1 Jn 3:12 "Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous."


Abel

Heb 11:4 "
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh."

The reason one was accepted (Abel) and one rejected (Cain) was because of the difference in their works.

Cain's works were evil (1 Jn 3:12) and did not do well, Gen 4:7 while Abel had an obedient faith (Heb 11:4) righteous works, (1 Jn 3:12), did well (Gen 4:7)

Acts 10:35 them that "
worketh righteousness" as Abel ( 1 Jn 3:12) are accepted with God. Rom 10:17 faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. "By faith Abel offered unto God" (Heb 11:4) therefore Abel by FAITH heard God's word and did as God said whereas Cain did not.

So one's WORKS determines if one is accepted or rejected with God.
 
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Cain's offering was not a blood sacrifice which means = works
 
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Because he offered his own works which included an offering of the ground he had tilled and it was rejected.....He was also the FIRST false teacher as found in Jude and lest we forget Abel's offer portrayed BLOOD and pointed to Christ!
 

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Here's a good example where one's conduct effects their acceptance with
God.

†. 1John 1:6-7 . . If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in
the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the light
as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another

The epistle of first John was addressed to people of faith who already
possessed eternal life even before the letter arrived.

These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of
God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life. (1John 5:13)

In other words; the people of faith to whom John addressed his letter
offered God the correct sacrifice. But even so, the very same thing that God
told Cain applied to them as well.

If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? (Gen 4:7)

The answer to that question is YES; however the converse is just as true.

If you do not do what is right, will you be accepted?

According to 1John 1:6-7 the answer to that question is NO, you will not be
accepted even though you have eternal life and you've offered God the
correct sacrifice.

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Cain was rejected because his sacrifice was offered without faith,
while Abel offered his sacrifice in faith and was commended as righteous (Heb 11:4),
and for which Cain then murdered Abel, because his own actions were evil while Abel's were righteous (1Jn 3:12).
 

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Cain was rejected because his sacrifice was offered without faith,
while Abel offered his sacrifice in faith and was commended as righteous (Heb 11:4),
and for which Cain then murdered Abel, because his own actions were evil while Abel's were righteous (1Jn 3:12).
It would seem that the story of Cain follows the principle laid down by Jesus in Matt. 5:21-24, “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering."

Cain's problem was not his sacrifice. Cain's problem was that he hated his brother which manifested itself in a murder. If this is the case then his sacrifice was not accepted because he had already been at odds with his brother. Without making things right with Able his sacrifice was not acceptable.
 

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Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there
remember that your brother has something against you, leave your offering
there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then
come and present your offering."

Cain's problem was not his sacrifice. Cain's problem was that he hated his
brother which manifested itself in a murder. If this is the case then his
sacrifice was not accepted because he had already been at odds with his
brother. Without making things right with Able his sacrifice was not
acceptable.
That's an example of the kind of thing that happens when people don't
read the OP before posting their comments. They end up repeating it.

In what way was he unrighteous? Well, Cain's blemish is an elephant in the
middle of the room. It was friction between him and his brother. It is
unacceptable to worship God while the worshipper's relationship with their
brother is dysfunctional.

"Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your
brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar,
and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and
offer your gift." (Matt 5:23-24)
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