Why Didn't God Prosecute Cain For Murder?

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WebersHome

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According to the covenant that God instituted with Noah after the Flood;
murder is a mandatory death offense. (Gen 9:5)

The death penalty for murder was included as a mandate in the covenant
that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God at Sinai as per Ex 21:12-14, Lev
24:17, Lev 24:21, and Num 35:31-34.

Q: So then, seeing as how capital punishment for murder is a divine
mandate; then how was God able to let Cain walk without compromising His
own integrity? Does God practice a double standard?

A: Murder is morally wrong, yes; and it is intrinsically a sin, yes; however;
prior to the Flood, homicide wasn't a transgression because God had not yet
enacted any laws to that effect. Divinely ordained capital punishment was
unheard of, and unthinkable, prior to the Flood because it is an axiom that
Bible law isn't retroactive; viz: it can't be enforced until after it is enacted;
which is precisely why God couldn't prosecute Cain for murder. (Rom 4:15,
Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17)

Case in point: Abraham married a half-sister. Sarah was his father's
daughter, but not his mother's (Gen 20:12). According to the covenant that
Yhvh's people agreed upon with God at Sinai, it is a breach of the covenant
to sleep with someone that close.

"The nakedness of your sister-- your father's daughter or your mother's,
whether born into the household or outside --do not uncover their
nakedness." (Lev 18:9)

But Abraham was exempt from that law because God didn't introduce it till
several centuries after Abraham's passing; and this is very important to
understand. Here's why:

Modern Judaism insists that Deut 29:14-15 retroactively binds Abraham to
the covenant. Well; not only is that kind thinking a stretch of the
imagination; but it's not even sensible because any and all breaches of the
covenant incur curses.

"Cursed is the one who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the
daughter of his mother." (Deut 27:22)

"Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them."
(Deut 27:26)

If God were to level curses at Abraham for breaching the covenant; then
God would be quite obligated to level curses at Himself.

"I will curse him who curses you" (Gen 12:3)

Not only that; but any curses that the covenant would impose upon
Abraham for sleeping with his half sister, would quite effectively annul any
and all of the promises that God made to him in the book of Genesis.

The Jews' occupation of the land of Israel has always been conditional upon
their compliance with the covenant; but their ownership of the land has
always been conditional upon the promises that God made to Abraham prior
to the covenant's institution. That way there is no possible chance of
Abraham's posterity ever losing the deed to that land no matter how many
times they breach the covenant. They might get evicted from their homeland
from time to time; but it will always remain theirs due to Abraham's
immunity to the covenant's curses.

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Because He doesn't has a sinful bone in Him; He just hand them over to the ones that has the bones.
 
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Acts 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.

The law brings the knowledge of sin...maybe since the law was not given until MOSES it is covered under the banner of the above verses.....Just a thought!
 
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My thought would be that Cain was still punished. After all he was cursed and forced to wander the world. As to why God did not just kill Cain right then and there, I think it is because Cain begged for a degree of mercy (especially on the point of himself being slain), and God is merciful.
 
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My thought would be that Cain was still punished. After all he was cursed and forced to wander the world. As to why God did not just kill Cain right then and there, I think it is because Cain begged for a degree of mercy (especially on the point of himself being slain), and God is merciful.
Merciful to a murderer.. But not someone who eats an apple?
 
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When Cain was cast from being in the presence of God, that is a great punishment that anyone cannot bear, they will not be able to prosper and enjoy life at all; that is why Cain told God that they will kill him for having to struggle to survive. And God said that anyone that kill Cain will suffered the same curse, and so I believed that it was an ascendant of Noah, that is a descendant of Seth that had killed Cain, that had cursed the descendants of Shem because they had became vagabonds at first.
 
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Merciful to a murderer.. But not someone who eats an apple?
Well firstly there is no apple. Secondly, yes God was still merciful to Adam and Eve for eating the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. God had mercy on the man and his wife, he even clothed them. God would have been more than justified to completely annhilate all creation right then and there because he had given a forewarning to them. Therefore to allow them a chance even to repent, to have children, and even to clothe them, is tremendously merciful.
 

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Merciful to a murderer.. But not someone who eats an apple?
They were cursed, along with humanity because of their own actions, their own actions caused the curse. Adam had direct instructions about this so called 'apple' but heeded to his wife.

Edit: And yes God was exceedingly merciful to them, so very beautifully merciful.
 
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Well firstly there is no apple. Secondly, yes God was still merciful to Adam and Eve for eating the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. God had mercy on the man and his wife, he even clothed them. God would have been more than justified to completely annhilate all creation right then and there because he had given a forewarning to them. Therefore to allow them a chance even to repent, to have children, and even to clothe them, is tremendously merciful.
and God covering their nakedness resulted in the shed blood of the animals use to clothe them.....picture of blood.....
 
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Deuteronomy 5:2-3
The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
 

WebersHome

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Merciful to a murderer.. But not someone who eats an apple?
Well; I should think the lesson is obvious. Adam disobeyed a direct order;
Cain didn't disobey a direct order; viz: God is lenient with inadvertent
sinners; but has zero tolerance for scofflaws and insubordination.

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God did punish Cain and He punished King David as well for murder. The apple had nothing to do with it and we don't know if it was an apple or a Kiwi. The sin was disobeying God because of pride. The same thing Lucifer did.
 
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Well firstly there is no apple. Secondly, yes God was still merciful to Adam and Eve for eating the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. God had mercy on the man and his wife, he even clothed them. God would have been more than justified to completely annhilate all creation right then and there because he had given a forewarning to them. Therefore to allow them a chance even to repent, to have children, and even to clothe them, is tremendously merciful.

Exactly, God showed them all mercy and just think our Lord Jesus requires the same from us to show to others.


Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.


He shows mercy to us for the sins we committed, and asks us to show mercy to others.
 
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kennethcadwell

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God did punish Cain and He punished King David as well for murder. The apple had nothing to do with it and we don't know if it was an apple or a Kiwi. The sin was disobeying God because of pride. The same thing Lucifer did.

Yes, but He did not kill them or have them put to death because He desires mercy to be shown.
 

WebersHome

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Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy,
and not sacrifice
The common interpretation of Hosea 6:6 infers that God, back in Hosea's
day, annulled the entire God-given book of Leviticus. The common
interpretation also renders Christ's crucifixion an unnecessary expedient.
Obviously even today, in our own time, there are a number of armchair
theologians out there who need to go ye and learn what that meaneth
because according to 1John 2:2, Christ is the atoning sacrifice for our sins,
and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

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Calminian

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-...A: Murder is morally wrong, yes; and it is intrinsically a sin, yes; however;
prior to the Flood, homicide wasn't a transgression because God had not yet
enacted any laws to that effect. Divinely ordained capital punishment was
unheard of, and unthinkable, prior to the Flood because it is an axiom that
Bible law isn't retroactive; viz: it can't be enforced until after it is enacted;
which is precisely why God couldn't prosecute Cain for murder. (Rom 4:15,
Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17)
Sorry, but I have to disagree. If the sin of murder was not yet established, then Cain wouldn't have been punished at all. Yet he was punished. He was banished from the land and prevented from farming ever again.

But Cain knew murder was wrong in the same way that Adam and Eve knew they were naked. They had partaken of the tree of knowledge making the law intrinsic to their nature. You don't need a written law to violate the law. Paul speaks of this intrinsic knowledge in Romans.

Rom. 2:12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.....14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

This is why all men are lawbreakers, even those who've never been exposed to scripture or a direct word from God.

Case in point: Abraham married a half-sister. Sarah was his father's
daughter, but not his mother's (Gen 20:12). According to the covenant that
Yhvh's people agreed upon with God at Sinai, it is a breach of the covenant
to sleep with someone that close.

"The nakedness of your sister-- your father's daughter or your mother's,
whether born into the household or outside --do not uncover their
nakedness." (Lev 18:9)

But Abraham was exempt from that law because God didn't introduce it till
several centuries after Abraham's passing; and this is very important to
understand. Here's why:....
There is no basis for this understanding of scripture. Marrying a sister at the beginning of creation was a requirement for multiplying. God forbid the marriage of close relations later in history, most likely because it was no longer genetically safe. You can read more on this here: Cain’s Wife—Who Was She?

But the fact that God outlawed something later in history, does not mean it was wrong from the beginning. There's no comparison between this and murder.
 
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Zifnab21

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WebersHome,

Two things about your post. First of all, the Covenant God had with His people wasn't established when Cain killed his brother. Cain couldn't be punished under it because it didn't exist in Genesis 4.

Secondly,God did prosecute Cain (Genesis 4:9), found him guilty (Genesis 4:10) and punished him (Genesis 4:11).

-Zifnab21
 
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Calminian

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WebersHome,

Two things about your post. First of all, the Covenant God had with His people wasn't established when Cain killed his brother. Cain couldn't be punished under it because it didn't exist in Genesis 4.

Secondly,God did prosecute Cain (Genesis 4:9), found him guilty (Genesis 4:10) and punished him (Genesis 4:11).

-Zifnab21
Exactly right. WebersHome, there's none without the law. It is innate in all. There is a law that applies to Israel, but there is also a universal law that all men understand, and are therefor without excuse. Had Cain broken no law, his punishment would have been unjust.
 

WebersHome

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the Covenant God had with His people wasn't established when Cain killed
his brother. Cain couldn't be punished under it because it didn't exist in
Genesis 4.
That was already mentioned in post #1. There's nothing to gain by
reintroducing it.


God did prosecute Cain
Curiously, God didn't accuse Cain of committing a crime; much less the
crime of murder. In point of fact, God didn't even accuse Cain of a sin; and
on top of that put out the word that whoever took Cain's life would be visited
upon with the wrath of God. In other words: God granted Cain the status of
a protected species, so to speak.


The correct punishment for murder is the death penalty. Cain got off with a
slap on the wrist; viz: God took away his green thumb. That wasn't
punishment; that was discipline. Every killer should be so lucky.

Cain's fate was a blessing in disguise. Seeing as how he couldn't support
himself by agriculture, his community turned to ranching and
manufacturing; and they became successful at it too by making musical
instruments, portable shelters, and metal implements. The Bible doesn't say,
but I'm guessing they used hides and fleece from their herds to manufacture
apparel. So Cain and his clan didn't go hungry. No; by trading hardware and
dry goods with the rest of the Adams' family, Cain's community could get all
the fruits and vegetables a soul could want.

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As a matter of fact the punishment God extends to Cain curses Cain even beyond the curse that was pronounced upon his father Adam, 11-15.

1. His livelihood is taken away. “When you till the ground, it shall no longer yield unto you its strength.”
2. His home is taken away. “A fugitive and a wanderer shall you be in the earth.”
3. Even his fellowship with humanity is taken away. “Anyone that finds me shall slay me.” This would seem to indicate that by this time, there was already a growing population meaning that Adam and Eve has already produced many other offspring besides just Cain and Able and that many of them have already grown to adulthood because Cain feared retribution from those who were able to take his life. He has become a marked man. Every man is now his enemy.
4. All association with God was lost.