Is an act of sinning a form of unbelief?

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OwenHeidenreich

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Is believing in Christ Jesus more than just believing he exists?

I believe that deliberately doing something you know is not right is classified as "sin". However, I also believe that deliberately doing something not right is also a lack of belief in Christ. Because you are ignoring Christ's teachings by doing something sinful and therefore not believing in them.

I have a verse that may be alluding to this, tell me what you guys think, am I on the right track and where can we go with this newly found way of thinking about the phrase "believe in Christ"?

But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:

*about sin, because people do not believe in me; *

(It seems that he is classifying all sin as unbelief)

about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. (*John‬ *16‬:*7-11‬ NIV)

P.S. Maybe we can think about the word believing like "be live." Because by believing we are living out Christ's teachings.
 
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Deliberately continuing to sin is a form of unbelief, because you are denying to obey the Lord's command that you must repent and turn away from doing that sin and then when and if you do sin again you have to ask forgiveness of that sin.
For future sins are not automatically covered by Jesus blood at your conversion to believing in Him. They still have to be asked forgiveness of to be forgiven.
Paul warns over and over again that you can not continue or even return to willful sin and have salvation.

The other thing that we must remember to is that just doing a wrong deed is a sin, but refusing to do a good deed is also a sin !!!

James 4:17
Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.


So for an example: If you know to be baptized ( in water ) is good and you refuse to do it, and teach others not to do it because it is not needed. Then you are committing a sin, and leading others to sin...
 
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If my memory serves me correctly, I read the word believe in Greek means 'to lean upon' or something like that. It was a while ago and I would like to check that when I get a moment :)
 
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I just wanted to add also that our Lord Jesus does tell us what it means to BELIEVE in HIM;

Luke 6:47
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them,



He says that the those who believe in Him are those who come and hear what He said, and then go out and do it.....
( James says the same )


[h=1]James 1:22
But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.[/h]
 
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Matthew 9:28 When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?” “Yes, Lord,” they replied.

John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

Isaiah 45:4 For the sake of Jacob my servant, of Israel my chosen, I summon you by name and bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not acknowledge me.

Jeremiah 9:6 You live in the midst of deception; in their deceit they refuse to acknowledge me,” declares the Lord.

Hosea 13:4 “But I have been the Lord your God ever since you came out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me.

Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.
 
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Disobedience is unbelief.
"So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief." Heb. 3:19.
"...failed to enter because of disobedience." Heb 4:6.
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
Is believing in Christ Jesus more than just believing he exists?

I believe that deliberately doing something you know is not right is classified as "sin". However, I also believe that deliberately doing something not right is also a lack of belief in Christ. Because you are ignoring Christ's teachings by doing something sinful and therefore not believing in them.

I have a verse that may be alluding to this, tell me what you guys think, am I on the right track and where can we go with this newly found way of thinking about the phrase "believe in Christ"?

But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:

*about sin, because people do not believe in me; *

(It seems that he is classifying all sin as unbelief)

about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. (*John‬ *16‬:*7-11‬ NIV)

P.S. Maybe we can think about the word believing like "be live." Because by believing we are living out Christ's teachings.
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Yes, sin is unbelief, even in the born-again.

The Greek word apeitheia means both "unbelief" and "disobedience," the condition of being unpersuadable (unbelieving), obstinate,
and obstinate rejection of the will of God (disobedience).

When the born again disobeys, he is manifesting unbelief on a certain point.
 
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Elin said:
Yes, sin is unbelief, even in the born-again.

The Greek word apeitheia means both "unbelief" and "disobedience," the condition of being unpersuadable (unbelieving), obstinate,
and obstinate rejection of the will of God (disobedience).

When the born again disobeys, he is manifesting unbelief on a certain point.
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What if a Christian continues doing something that they did not know is a sin, because it is not clearly stated in the bible, and continued approving of it and doing it until they died? Since sin is a form of unbelief, could that disobedience that they weren't aware of sentence them to hell?
 
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The bible says that the spirits of men were made perfect and Paul said we should renew our mind,so then if you are still sinning the spirit where the change took place does not participate because it was sealed,but sin has bad consequences to the flesh....sickness,pain, ect...

I would say its more ignorance than unbelief(in the flesh)

Romans 6:16
king james version(kjv)

16.)Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

the spirit was made perfect so it could not be talking about the spirit so then it would have to be talking about the mind.(flesh)
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
What if a Christian continues doing something that they did not know is a sin, because it is not clearly stated in the bible, and continued approving of it and doing it until they died? Since sin is a form of unbelief, could that disobedience that they weren't aware of sentence them to hell?
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That is why the truth must be spread, and i'm mean the truth; but if you heard two interpretations, and had a feeling (The Holy spirit) that one is the correct interpretation, but you had ignore it because you didn't like what it says, and decided to follow the one you like because it fit your lifestyle, then you are guilty because you have that feeling inside of you and ignored it. You will always have a feeling inside of you that is warning you that you are on the wrong path.

John 9:41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

Hosea 4:6 my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. “Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. (the feeling that a person get inside of them will let you know from the truth and lies)
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
What if a Christian continues doing something that they did not know is a sin, because it is not clearly stated in the bible, and continued approving of it and doing it until they died? Since sin is a form of unbelief, could that disobedience that they weren't aware of sentence them to hell?
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This is why we are to teach others about sins, and to ask forgiveness of all including one's they did unknowingly.

Psalm 19:12-13 (unknown sins), Psalm 51: 12-14 (restore salvation), Psalm 139:23-24 (leading to salvation),
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
What if a Christian continues doing something that they did not know is a sin, because it is not clearly stated in the bible, and continued approving of it and doing it until they died? Since sin is a form of unbelief, could that disobedience that they weren't aware of sentence them to hell?
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Being born again is a sovereign act of God. You become an adopted member of his family. It is not something you earn by keeping the commandments perfectly, because that is what the Pharisees tried to do, and they were the only ones Jesus condemned.

"Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will," Eph. 1:5

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" Romans 8:1

God will not cast his children out, even for sin, if they are willing to confess their sin, and repent. God knows how imperfect we are, but he is working on transforming us every day. A job that will be finished at the second coming of Christ.

"And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ." Phil. 1:6

Therefore, you cannot lose your salvation! Keep on believing, and walking with God, and he will do the amazing work of changing you into his image.

"And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit." 2 Cor. 3:18
 
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immediately read 1st John chapters 1 through 5, and 1st Peter also. i think the answer is not comfortable, but God is clear.

OwenHeidenreich said:
What if a Christian continues doing something that they did not know is a sin, because it is not clearly stated in the bible, and continued approving of it and doing it until they died? Since sin is a form of unbelief, could that disobedience that they weren't aware of sentence them to hell?
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OwenHeidenreich said:
What if a Christian continues doing something that they did not know is a sin, because it is not clearly stated in the bible, and continued approving of it and doing it until they died? Since sin is a form of unbelief, could that disobedience that they weren't aware of sentence them to hell?
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That's where a living relationship with the Holy Spirit comes into it. Fellowship with the Holy Ghost. There's more to than just reading the Word.
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
What if a Christian continues doing something that they did not know is a sin, because it is not clearly stated in the bible, and continued approving of it and doing it until they died? Since sin is a form of unbelief, could that disobedience that they weren't aware of sentence them to hell?
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First, a christian has the Holy Spirit indwelling their soul, so that when they sin, the Holy Spirit will convict them of what they are doing wrong. The other thing is how would it not be clearly stated? What sin isn't clear?

And then disobedience leading to sentence of hell? Well.. that makes a mockery of Jesus' payment for that person's sin (disobedience).

The wages of sin are paid for someone who has been given eternal life. Disobedience won't undo the eternal life.. because that is what has been paid for.

Of course, someone who has just walked after the flesh the whole time with no changes.. well then I would question whether they had received Jesus as their Saviour in the first place.

But yah.. everyone disobeys God, a lot. Because nobody is perfect in the sinless sense. How many people are then supposedly going to be sent to hell?

Don't think so.
 
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I think that refusing to believe is a sin against the greatest commandment (Matthew 22:37). And all unbelievers are without excuse (Romans 1:19-20). Sinning is not a form of unbelief, because all believers sin too. When a believer sins, its a form of disobedience. jmo
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
What if a Christian continues doing something that they did not know is a sin, because it is not clearly stated in the bible, and continued approving of it and doing it until they died? Since sin is a form of unbelief, could that disobedience that they weren't aware of sentence them to hell?
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Could you give an example of a sin not clearly stated in the Bible that I may accurately address your question?
 
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Well, technically, all sin is not caused by unbelief. All sin is the result of Adam's rebellion against God. For the devil sinned from the beginning (1 John 3:8) and yet his sin was not sin done in unbelief. The devil's sin was done out of his own lust or desire to be like God. So this shows us that not all sin has the same root motivation. For the devil was clearly not motivated by unbelief. He was tempted and drawn away by his own lust or desires.

James 1:14-15

14 "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."​

The words "belief" and "unbelief" should be read or defined normally. For John 16:8, 9 is not saying all sin is rooted in unbelief. Again, this passage does not say that. The passage is saying that the Holy Spirit will reprove the world of sin for not believing in Jesus. This lines up with the commandment given in 1 John 3:23 which says that we should believe on the name of the Son of God and to love one another. This is the commandment in context here. The unbelief spoken of in John 16:8-9 is not talking about all sin in general but it is referring to the sin of unbelief in the commandment spoken of in 1 John 3:23.
 
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I mean, why do people choose not to believe in Jesus?
What is the cause of the "Condemnation"?

John 3:18-20

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."


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The Scriptures tell us that the "Condemnation" (Which is their cause of unbelief) is that men loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil. So no, all sin is not caused by unbelief. Men love darkness rather than the light. That is why they choose not to believe.
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
What if a Christian continues doing something that they did not know is a sin, because it is not clearly stated in the bible, and continued approving of it and doing it until they died? Since sin is a form of unbelief, could that disobedience that they weren't aware of sentence them to hell?
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Is the conscience clear, or are they just numb to the goading pricks of the Spirit?
If you have a clear conscience, then it is not held against you... but most often that is not the real situation. Once you have been made aware that it is a sin, by the Word or by the Spirit moving your conscience, then you are responsible. Repentance is when we submit to the Word and the Spirit, and change our mind about what is sin, and view that sin the way God views that sin. If you know it is a sin in your heart, but are unwilling to change your mind about it, you are worse off than just being ignorant about it, because you are displaying that you don't believe what God has told you.
 
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