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Sophia1993
First of all, it is impossible for the Bible to be scientifically INACCURATE.
It is possible for the bible to be misunderstood, or misinterpreted, but it's impossible for it to be inaccurate.
You should expect atheists to point to various scriptures, misinterpret them, and then use that misinterpretation as a "straw man" to attack your faith. This is what they do. Just get used to it.
On other matters, like evolution, atheists will just beat you down with the latest discoveries you've never heard of, so you have no idea what they're talking about, and thus you have no way to even argue back. Just expect it.
Most of these "latest discoveries", upon careful examination, will NOT actually support their final conclusions, and some of them will prove out to be either wild speculation or completely fraudulent. Yes, though countless scientists have actually been silly enough to tell me that SCIENTIST NEVER LIE... well... they do. They've been caught over and over with all kinds of fraudulent claims in the past. It happens.
There are all kinds of books you can get if you want to wade through this stuff.
It's all about how much you want to study.
It's all up to you.
First of all, it is impossible for the Bible to be scientifically INACCURATE.
It is possible for the bible to be misunderstood, or misinterpreted, but it's impossible for it to be inaccurate.
You should expect atheists to point to various scriptures, misinterpret them, and then use that misinterpretation as a "straw man" to attack your faith. This is what they do. Just get used to it.
On other matters, like evolution, atheists will just beat you down with the latest discoveries you've never heard of, so you have no idea what they're talking about, and thus you have no way to even argue back. Just expect it.
Most of these "latest discoveries", upon careful examination, will NOT actually support their final conclusions, and some of them will prove out to be either wild speculation or completely fraudulent. Yes, though countless scientists have actually been silly enough to tell me that SCIENTIST NEVER LIE... well... they do. They've been caught over and over with all kinds of fraudulent claims in the past. It happens.
There are all kinds of books you can get if you want to wade through this stuff.
It's all about how much you want to study.
It's all up to you.
K
No there is nothing in the bible that is scientifically inaccurate, if somebody tells you there are it is because the science they have faith in is what is truly inaccurate.
Scientist have tried for years to prove the events, places, and people mentioned in the bible never truly existed. The only thing scientists have done in this effort has been actually the opposite. Finding in archaeologist searches and digs that those places did exist, and found proof for the existence of people mentioned in the bible.
If they have not found evidence of a place or person/people in the bible they claim fable and did not exist. The problem with that is there is still a ton of unexplored land. The other thing is other pro-bible scientists have shown areas of the world that had a well known city sitting there only about 100 years ago, but now you can not even tell there was one. So compare that to 1,000's of years ago and land changes, then finding those places would take extreme long devoted dedication to finding them.
The other thing is scientist have disputed the flood for years within themselves, because some would disagree with a worldwide flood. Yet others have shown with fossil evidence that even the highest regions here in the U.S. were under water at one point.
Then the other thing that pro-bible scientist has done that other scientist don't like is prove over and over again the fallacy in the dating methods, how land masses and ice layers can and have formed faster then they have claimed they do.
Example:
[h=1]World War II Planes Found in Greenland In Ice 260 Feet Deep[/h]
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Six American fighter planes and two bombers that crash-landed in Greenland in World War II have been found 46 years later buried under 260 feet of ice, searchers said today.
A group from Atlanta said it found what became known as the ''lost squad-ron'' last month and plans to tunnel into the ice and lside the eight air-planes to the surface.
Richard Taylor, one of the leaders of the successful expedition, said today that he and another leader, Pat Epps, were ''going to fly two of them off the ice.''
The other planes will be dismantled and returned to the United States for restoration, he said. Some will be sold to pay for the expedition.
If people dig long enough and far enough, they always find that God and what the Bible says is true.
The science is catching up with the Bible and not otherwise. History of science demonstrates this.
They base their conclusions on gathering information and then assuming based on what they've currently got. This sometimes leads to error because they did not consider or found all important factors. So science does not have definite truth on anything. If it had definite truth, it would not have to change. They never know if they really know the truth... ironically, they can just BELIEVE.
The problem is not that people research, but that they believe they hold all the answers when they dont. They believe that with time, science gets better. This is a huge snare so it actually gets worse, because the more they think they have figured it out, the more dogmas become rooted in (no way we will admit we were wrong all this time!). They usually ridicule even their own when they come up with something new. People get fired and excommunicated from their (pretty much religious) establishment, like the guy who discovered Helicobacter pylori being responsible for stomach ulcers. They ridiculed him for 20 years, then it was accepted and now it is the official standard. So people of science often ignore and will not genuinely examine the evidence for the opposite of the current dogma.
But we have the privilege to learn from the complete source, from the very Author.
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
They are looking for all those funny "particles" and "bozons", but sooner or later, they will have to admit that the Word (they will probably call it "sound" or something alike) is what the universe is built of, and quantum physics is already moving in that direction.
The science is catching up with the Bible and not otherwise. History of science demonstrates this.
They base their conclusions on gathering information and then assuming based on what they've currently got. This sometimes leads to error because they did not consider or found all important factors. So science does not have definite truth on anything. If it had definite truth, it would not have to change. They never know if they really know the truth... ironically, they can just BELIEVE.
The problem is not that people research, but that they believe they hold all the answers when they dont. They believe that with time, science gets better. This is a huge snare so it actually gets worse, because the more they think they have figured it out, the more dogmas become rooted in (no way we will admit we were wrong all this time!). They usually ridicule even their own when they come up with something new. People get fired and excommunicated from their (pretty much religious) establishment, like the guy who discovered Helicobacter pylori being responsible for stomach ulcers. They ridiculed him for 20 years, then it was accepted and now it is the official standard. So people of science often ignore and will not genuinely examine the evidence for the opposite of the current dogma.
But we have the privilege to learn from the complete source, from the very Author.
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
They are looking for all those funny "particles" and "bozons", but sooner or later, they will have to admit that the Word (they will probably call it "sound" or something alike) is what the universe is built of, and quantum physics is already moving in that direction.
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1Tim. 6:20.
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings,
and oppositions of science falsely so called:
science, = supposedly, facts - and something that can be replicated, over and over -
yet they miss the REALITY of GOD, how tragic, they miss a lot of the ultimate FACT,
GOD is GOD, and He created ALL that they observe, and, He observes THEM, but,
they CANNOT observe HIM.
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings,
and oppositions of science falsely so called:
science, = supposedly, facts - and something that can be replicated, over and over -
yet they miss the REALITY of GOD, how tragic, they miss a lot of the ultimate FACT,
GOD is GOD, and He created ALL that they observe, and, He observes THEM, but,
they CANNOT observe HIM.
This is a discussion that isn't going to go anywhere. Not because of our beliefs but the main things that atheists disbelieve are the miracles and supernatural aspects of the bible.
An atheist couldnt care less about questioning people, places and regular events in the bible. But an atheist will say that science deems miracles, magic and the supernatural impossible.
Everything from a talking snake, to resurrections. They are all deemed unscientific so will always be opposed.
If a regular event happens in the bible then science can't dispute it. But as soon as you bring in the super natural elements.. That's when worlds collide lol
An atheist couldnt care less about questioning people, places and regular events in the bible. But an atheist will say that science deems miracles, magic and the supernatural impossible.
Everything from a talking snake, to resurrections. They are all deemed unscientific so will always be opposed.
If a regular event happens in the bible then science can't dispute it. But as soon as you bring in the super natural elements.. That's when worlds collide lol
yes, generally anything you find in scripture not matching up to every-day experience in the natural world is going to get put in the 'miraculous' category. . .
there's also that the Bible is not like the book of mormon for example, which mentions all kinds of peoples and animals and technology and plants in early America that have absolutely zero evidence to back them up, and are actually flatly contradicted by the archaeological record and gene research. archaeology generally supports the biblical record - we find cities where the bible says there were cities, evidence of people worshiping certain gods where the bible says people were worshiping certain gods, remains of exactly the plants and animals the bible describes in the places where the bible describes they were, we find evidence of the technology level of cultures as described in the bible being accurate, geography is correct, etc. etc.
this is polar opposite to the book of mormon, where for example it says American Indians are direct descendants of Israelites and had all kinds of metalworking, science shows they're genetically descended from Asians, and that they never smelted iron. and the b.o.m. says all the plants and animals listed in the bible were in America, but there is very good evidence that none of them were - and evidence that all of them were in the middle east, like the Bible says.
there aren't contradictions of this nature in the Bible. it's basic historical claims are all proven accurate.
what you get instead is arguments about whether creation took place in six literal days or over a longer period - and i know some people will get riled up if i say it, but there are persuasive and logical arguments to look at the creation account as a figurative & poetic way of telling it rather than as a cosmology textbook. at any rate, people who object to the creation story don't seem to ever object to the order in which things were created, but the amount of time (from our human perspective) that it took for them to be created. the creation account in Genesis doesn't conflict with what mankind has learned about the nature of the universe - it's just the timeline that's debated, and the existential question of the Creator Himself.
there's also that the Bible is not like the book of mormon for example, which mentions all kinds of peoples and animals and technology and plants in early America that have absolutely zero evidence to back them up, and are actually flatly contradicted by the archaeological record and gene research. archaeology generally supports the biblical record - we find cities where the bible says there were cities, evidence of people worshiping certain gods where the bible says people were worshiping certain gods, remains of exactly the plants and animals the bible describes in the places where the bible describes they were, we find evidence of the technology level of cultures as described in the bible being accurate, geography is correct, etc. etc.
this is polar opposite to the book of mormon, where for example it says American Indians are direct descendants of Israelites and had all kinds of metalworking, science shows they're genetically descended from Asians, and that they never smelted iron. and the b.o.m. says all the plants and animals listed in the bible were in America, but there is very good evidence that none of them were - and evidence that all of them were in the middle east, like the Bible says.
there aren't contradictions of this nature in the Bible. it's basic historical claims are all proven accurate.
what you get instead is arguments about whether creation took place in six literal days or over a longer period - and i know some people will get riled up if i say it, but there are persuasive and logical arguments to look at the creation account as a figurative & poetic way of telling it rather than as a cosmology textbook. at any rate, people who object to the creation story don't seem to ever object to the order in which things were created, but the amount of time (from our human perspective) that it took for them to be created. the creation account in Genesis doesn't conflict with what mankind has learned about the nature of the universe - it's just the timeline that's debated, and the existential question of the Creator Himself.
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literary criticism, it states that anything out of the 'natural order',
such as 'Jesus walking on water, instant healing, raising from the dead,
iron floating on water, etc. CANNOT BE!, because it steps outside of the
'natural order of things'. = SURPRIZE!!! = God OWNES and CREATED,
the NATURAL ORDER!!!
the wisdom of this world cannot hold a candle to the WISDOM & POWER & MIGHT of
Jesus Christ, our Lord. -
and there is NO logical argument that can dispute HIS existence, once you KNOW,
HE IS,
as it is written, 'I Am That I Am', and who can separate us from the LOVE of GOD,
which is in Christ Jesus our Lord?'
I know not any!!!
the wisdom of this world does not hold a candle to the POWER OF GOD!!!
such as 'Jesus walking on water, instant healing, raising from the dead,
iron floating on water, etc. CANNOT BE!, because it steps outside of the
'natural order of things'. = SURPRIZE!!! = God OWNES and CREATED,
the NATURAL ORDER!!!
the wisdom of this world cannot hold a candle to the WISDOM & POWER & MIGHT of
Jesus Christ, our Lord. -
and there is NO logical argument that can dispute HIS existence, once you KNOW,
HE IS,
as it is written, 'I Am That I Am', and who can separate us from the LOVE of GOD,
which is in Christ Jesus our Lord?'
I know not any!!!
the wisdom of this world does not hold a candle to the POWER OF GOD!!!
Can you believe this story?
Joseph of Cupertino, O.F.M. Conv. (Italian: Giuseppe da Copertino) (June 17, 1603 – September 18, 1663) was an ItalianConventual Franciscan friar who is honored as a Christian mystic and saint. He was said to have been remarkably unclever, but prone to miraculous levitation and intense ecstatic visions that left him gaping.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP]:iii
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Joseph of Cupertino, O.F.M. Conv. (Italian: Giuseppe da Copertino) (June 17, 1603 – September 18, 1663) was an ItalianConventual Franciscan friar who is honored as a Christian mystic and saint. He was said to have been remarkably unclever, but prone to miraculous levitation and intense ecstatic visions that left him gaping.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP]:iii
[/SUP]Joseph of Cupertino - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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These are blanket statements and not what the thread is about; it has nothing to do with Atheistic opinion, really. Objective answers (and preferably verifiable ones), regardless of the worldview, would be best. 
Good point! The story of a talking snake might be construed as allegorical rather than "scientifically inaccurate" in any way, shape, or form, but it's true that there are things outside of miracles that would still be argued or seen as dubious from a scientific perspective. Again, good point.
Good point! The story of a talking snake might be construed as allegorical rather than "scientifically inaccurate" in any way, shape, or form, but it's true that there are things outside of miracles that would still be argued or seen as dubious from a scientific perspective. Again, good point.
These are blanket statements and not what the thread is about; it has nothing to do with Atheistic opinion, really. Objective answers, regardless of the worldview, would be best.
Good point! The story of a talking snake might be construed as allegorical rather than "scientifically inaccurate" in any way, shape, or form, but it's true that there are things outside of miracles that would still be argued or seen as dubious from a scientific perspective. Again, good point.
Good point! The story of a talking snake might be construed as allegorical rather than "scientifically inaccurate" in any way, shape, or form, but it's true that there are things outside of miracles that would still be argued or seen as dubious from a scientific perspective. Again, good point.