Provide a place or you are worse than an infidel.

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Jon4TheCross

Jon4TheCross

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If I'm not satisfied with the place that "the church" had provided for me to be in continual prayer and ministry of the word like Peter, ( he said that it is not reason that he should leave the word of god and serve tables) and I'm not a widow or orphan, and I want to come out from among them and be separate and touch not the unclean thing... then I should probably spend Gods time that He bought...which is in my stewardship...on making money so I can buy a piece of property where people can pray any day of the week, have a shower any day of the week (so they don't know you're fasting),and have a meal for when you are in need of it. Oh... and shelter to pray in peace...and maybe a warm bed. Do you think the priesthood might by some miracle be able to provide such a place to send people to?
Maybe the ten percent that Christian tithe to Christians can provide this?
We ought to be ashamed of ourselves, but realize it's just the sin I can our flesh as Romans 7 tells us.

Thank you all who receive this... what do I have to lose by saying this...nothing
 
Jon4TheCross

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Sin in our flesh... sorry the phone can't type quick enough.
 
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sveinen

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"kingdom against kingdom.."
..enmity to The Cross, wolves in sheeps clothing...
"laws, regulations, control-systems," "shrinks, accusations, sneaky bites." beware.
love.
He did not mind the shame...
"remaint to be saved."
love
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Mitspa

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Jon4TheCross said:
If I'm not satisfied with the place that "the church" had provided for me to be in continual prayer and ministry of the word like Peter, ( he said that it is not reason that he should leave the word of god and serve tables) and I'm not a widow or orphan, and I want to come out from among them and be separate and touch not the unclean thing... then I should probably spend Gods time that He bought...which is in my stewardship...on making money so I can buy a piece of property where people can pray any day of the week, have a shower any day of the week (so they don't know you're fasting),and have a meal for when you are in need of it. Oh... and shelter to pray in peace...and maybe a warm bed. Do you think the priesthood might by some miracle be able to provide such a place to send people to?
Maybe the ten percent that Christian tithe to Christians can provide this?
We ought to be ashamed of ourselves, but realize it's just the sin I can our flesh as Romans 7 tells us.

Thank you all who receive this... what do I have to lose by saying this...nothing
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Well if you need a special place to contact God...cant you find a park or woods or a closet to pray? And nobody has to know your fasting if you don't tell them or try to look like your fasting?
 
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i think he's pointing out , and i am if he's not, that "the church" is supposed to by the command and instructions of God the Father through Jesus Christ the Messiah PROVIDE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED A PLACE TO STAY.

the Gospel is abundantly clear that this is so.
 
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God told me to do a fast in the woods for 40 days and nights, and I did, but I couldn't even keep that hidden.
Long story short... it was not meant to be hidden in this case I guess. Yes I can go back out there...but that is not what God has directed me to do. Instead I'm supposed to help the priesthood with the identity crisis going around.
 
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jeff_peacemkr said:
i think he's pointing out , and i am if he's not, that "the church" is supposed to by the command and instructions of God the Father through Jesus Christ the Messiah PROVIDE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED A PLACE TO STAY.

the Gospel is abundantly clear that this is so.
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No it does not ...it says if you don't work you don't eat...I think its safe to say that we are supposed to work and support ourselves if we are able? Now if your talking about widows and orphans and such you might have a point...but able bodied Men are supposed to work and support themselves
 
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Mitspa

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Jon4TheCross said:
God told me to do a fast in the woods for 40 days and nights, and I did, but I couldn't even keep that hidden.
Long story short... it was not meant to be hidden in this case I guess. Yes I can go back out there...but that is not what God has directed me to do. Instead I'm supposed to help the priesthood with the identity crisis going around.
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Well if God really told you then He will supply what you need...right?
 
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it's common among Catholic, Episcopal and some other orthodox congregations (not only these denominations, but it seems to me more prevalent among them) to leave the church house doors open every day, the chapel pews open to anyone who would come in to pray. and for ministers to be present, to minister if they are needed. some even provide showers and beds for the needy this way too.
(this is my experience in America's rural south)
 
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posthuman said:
it's common among Catholic, Episcopal and some other orthodox congregations (not only these denominations, but it seems to me more prevalent among them) to leave the church house doors open every day, the chapel pews open to anyone who would come in to pray. and for ministers to be present, to minister if they are needed. some even provide showers and beds for the needy this way too.
(this is my experience in America's rural south)
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Well a able bodied man should work and support himself...now I know folks fall on hard times but to expect or demand that a group must provide room and board is not biblical.
 
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Mitspa said:
Well a able bodied man should work and support himself...now I know folks fall on hard times but to expect or demand that a group must provide room and board is not biblical.
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amen!
it's hard not to err on either the side of forsaking the poor or of enabling grifters from taking advantage of the church's generosity. 'the one who doesn't work, doesn't eat' is true - and like Paul warns us to be careful about taking care of widows, so that we don't neglect the ones who truly have need because our efforts have gone to those with families that ought to support them or who are young and will remarry:

Honour widows that are widows indeed.
But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.
Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man.
Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
(1 Timothy 5:3-12)


this is hard for me -- i'm a sucker, and i want to give everything to everyone that asks. God gave me a wife with more sense than me, thankfully.

making the best use of charity calls for a lot of discernment. if we are so tight with it that we neglect the poor, we're burying our talent in the sand. but if we just throw open the church pantries to everyone, there are many in the world who would come and take it all for themselves, and you'll see them selling your donations at the flea market next week to the same poor you would have tried to help =\


 
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Well if this idea is what you think God is truly calling you to do then you need to start by praying. Not simple little 1 minute prayers but deep God conversation prayers. If this is truly from God he will open the doors for it to happen. If no door opens then maybe rethink it. Asking others to pray would be helpful also.

My mom and dad actually did this. God provided a large house for them in the city real close to the church. Visiting missionaries would stay there. Kids in the city for a semester of school. Youth groups visiting the city. You name it they stayed there. There are keys to their house literally around the world. Africa, china, italy, England, Russia not to mention just about every state. They had this idea mainly for visiting missionaries and God opened the door. I remember a thanksgiving dinner with people from china, russia, brazil, Africa and Spain including our family. Like 30 people it was quite cool.

So I it has to be God's calling more than something you want to do.
 
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..... who "NEED" a place to stay..... sigh........
 
Jon4TheCross

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It seems that those using the word work are talking from a perspective other than the Lords and the priesthoods. Work for God is spending His time given to you (a member of the priesthood/Christian) doing good. Why do you think that the pharisees were so mad at Jesus for healing on the Sabbath? Because it was work...and Jesus didn't charge money for it. The place we need to provide is a place/purpose/job/work in the church for those who are called to be in continual prayer
and ministry of the word as Peter was called to do.
I will only support a "united" group of the"believers" if they have in their group...at least the goal of a 24 hour church. Place does not refer only to food, water, and shelter. I had to go out in the middle of the woods and drink out of a creek because no church would let me pray continually in their building. Pitiful. We are the united in spirit temple of the LivingGod, and He said that My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you have made it a den of thieves. He also made a whip and told them to take these things out of the temple. I do believe it is the sin in our flesh that needs to be destroyed...not the real us. I hope someday I can witness a real united group with the correct example of the way the temple should be displayed and operated.
Thanks for your replies.
 
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One more thing...
An example of this can be found by reading the first part of Acts. The disciples were provided a place by what Jesus did, and didn't have to go out to the woods to be assembled in one accord and one place.
 
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Jon4TheCross said:
God told me to do a fast in the woods for 40 days and nights, and I did, but I couldn't even keep that hidden.
Long story short... it was not meant to be hidden in this case I guess. Yes I can go back out there...but that is not what God has directed me to do. Instead I'm supposed to help the priesthood with the identity crisis going around.
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Jesus did not say hide when you fast, he said don't be self-righteous and don't tell everyone verbally or non verbally that you are fasting. When you fast your actions and words should not indicate to anyone you are.
 
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Jon4TheCross said:
It seems that those using the word work are talking from a perspective other than the Lords and the priesthoods. Work for God is spending His time given to you (a member of the priesthood/Christian) doing good. Why do you think that the pharisees were so mad at Jesus for healing on the Sabbath? Because it was work...and Jesus didn't charge money for it. The place we need to provide is a place/purpose/job/work in the church for those who are called to be in continual prayer
and ministry of the word as Peter was called to do.
I will only support a "united" group of the"believers" if they have in their group...at least the goal of a 24 hour church. Place does not refer only to food, water, and shelter. I had to go out in the middle of the woods and drink out of a creek because no church would let me pray continually in their building. Pitiful. We are the united in spirit temple of the LivingGod, and He said that My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you have made it a den of thieves. He also made a whip and told them to take these things out of the temple. I do believe it is the sin in our flesh that needs to be destroyed...not the real us. I hope someday I can witness a real united group with the correct example of the way the temple should be displayed and operated.
Thanks for your replies.
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You are a temple for the Holy Spirit, you don't need a church to start a ministry....
 
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Jon4TheCross said:
One more thing...
An example of this can be found by reading the first part of Acts. The disciples were provided a place by what Jesus did, and didn't have to go out to the woods to be assembled in one accord and one place.
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The upper room was only until the Holy Spirit was given, not a permanent place of prayer.
 
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Jon4TheCross said:
One more thing...
An example of this can be found by reading the first part of Acts. The disciples were provided a place by what Jesus did, and didn't have to go out to the woods to be assembled in one accord and one place.
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I don't mean to be harsh or challenge your "calling" but if God has called you into ministry and you are supposed to give yourself to study and prayer? He will make a way and show others your calling too. You don't demand others support you if they don't see that support as a true work of God. Now if someone come to me and said I feel I am called to ministry and im asking for your help? I would allow that with some prayer I should help, but if someone comes to me and demands I honor the calling they believe they have and demands that I support them...I know that's not God nor the way God works.
 
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Jon4TheCross said:
If I'm not satisfied with the place that "the church" had provided for me to be in continual prayer and ministry of the word like Peter, ( he said that it is not reason that he should leave the word of god and serve tables) and I'm not a widow or orphan, and I want to come out from among them and be separate and touch not the unclean thing... then I should probably spend Gods time that He bought...which is in my stewardship...on making money so I can buy a piece of property where people can pray any day of the week, have a shower any day of the week (so they don't know you're fasting),and have a meal for when you are in need of it. Oh... and shelter to pray in peace...and maybe a warm bed. Do you think the priesthood might by some miracle be able to provide such a place to send people to?
Maybe the ten percent that Christian tithe to Christians can provide this?
We ought to be ashamed of ourselves, but realize it's just the sin I can our flesh as Romans 7 tells us.

Thank you all who receive this... what do I have to lose by saying this...nothing
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Do you need a given place by priesthood or any leardership?

Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign those of his household.

Give the amount you want to those you know are needy.

Walk His ways and provide yourself:


Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, "(...) for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me.

Luk 8:16 "No one after lighting a lamp covers it with a jar or puts it under a bed, but puts it on a stand, so that those who enter may see the light.
 
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