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What Commandments are valid for the followers of Yahshua (Jesus)


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Hizikyah

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What Commandments are valid for the followers of Yahshua (Jesus).





Matt 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."




Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."




Matt 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."





Matti 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."





Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."




John 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
 
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eternally-gratefull

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which ones?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

i think this shows it.

How good have you been at following these commands? Have you fulfilled the law?

By the way, You are missing the correct answer.

the correct answer would be EVERYTHING God has commanded to do. Which is much more than even the 613 you posted up there.
 

Hizikyah

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which ones?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

i think this shows it.

How good have you been at following these commands? Have you fulfilled the law?

By the way, You are missing the correct answer.

the correct answer would be EVERYTHING God has commanded to do. Which is much more than even the 613 you posted up there.
John) 5:14, Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse thing will come upon you.

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

Romans 2:4-12, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath. Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh. For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”
 
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John) 5:14, Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse thing will come upon you.

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

Romans 2:4-12, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath. Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh. For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”
we agree.

So why do you not believe this? WHy do you not believe you are STILL JUDGED BY THE LAW?
 

Hizikyah

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we agree.

So why do you not believe this? WHy do you not believe you are STILL JUDGED BY THE LAW?
Are you going to read these verses?

Jesus Christ says: (please don't tell me im evil or fallen from grace for quoting Jesus)

Matt 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”

John 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."

Romans 4:15, "Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Law is not in us."
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Are you going to read these verses?

Jesus Christ says: (please don't tell me im evil or fallen from grace for quoting Jesus)

Matt 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”

John 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."

Romans 4:15, "Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Law is not in us."

I have read those verses. and I follow them.

when are you going to read the verses which say whoever does not obey all the requirement of the law (sinless perfection) is under a curse.

when are you going to admit, you are still cursed by the law. no matter how hard you try and how well you fulfill the law (or think you do)?

when are you going to admit WHY the sinner went home justified, and the pharisee went home cursed?


You can post all the verses you wish on why we should be obedient, Until you admit how you have failed to obey the law and its requirement, and because of such you are still accursed. Those verses mean nothing.
 

Hizikyah

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#7

I have read those verses. and I follow them.

when are you going to read the verses which say whoever does not obey all the requirement of the law (sinless perfection) is under a curse.

when are you going to admit, you are still cursed by the law. no matter how hard you try and how well you fulfill the law (or think you do)?

when are you going to admit WHY the sinner went home justified, and the pharisee went home cursed?


You can post all the verses you wish on why we should be obedient, Until you admit how you have failed to obey the law and its requirement, and because of such you are still accursed. Those verses mean nothing.
Why are you so worried about people being cursed?

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 19:17-21, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh. He then asked Yahshua; Which ones? Yahshua said: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false testimony. Honor your efather and mother, and; You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said to Him; All these things I have kept from my youth up; what do I yet lack? Yahshua said to him: If you want to come to the perfection of Yahweh, go and sell of what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and you will be walking in Yahweh's ways, and following Me."

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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#8
should a living person breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out..... ?

is it better if i say "thus sayeth....." "you must breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out" in order to continue in existence and life on earth ?

yes, much better. thus the number one rule to continue in existence and life on earth is 1) "breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out".

follow this one instruction and ye shall live.

all of the previous instructions are fulfilled, and you never have to do any more. you may forget #2) stop at red lights,
and #3) don't stand in front of a fast moving train
because those have been fulfilled..... someone else has stopped at red lights(every one of them), and someone else has completely refrained from standing in front of a fast moving train, so no longer do these instructions concern you.....

............................................................
,.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,m.mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

that's how the rest of the world is - ludicrous and silly on the way to death. ignoring the Creator Himself and His servants/messengers/emmisaries/sons.

the simple truth is,
whoever seeks the Creator in truth, shall find Him. that is His Promise where? in Torah. in His Instructions. through His Son Yeshua Hamashiach. (Jesus).

His instructions for life are simple. stop hurting one another. stop lying to one another. no more divorce. no more murder. no more stealing. all these things, people have done. all these things the penalty for is death. ..... and so JESUS DIED. for all these things. and WAS RESURRECTED BY YAHWEH never to die again ! JESUS IS ALIVE. so start believing Him. start listening to Him (and not to dead people!!!!!!!)(not even 'saints' who have passed).
yes,
whosoever shall believe (actively relying on and constantly depend all the time on Him, doing as He says) in the Name of the Master Yeshua, shall be saved.

don't complicate this. don't cause the little ones to stumble. ("woe to him who causes one of these little ones to stumble. who takes the light out of the eyes of a child").

may God grant us all such grace, to live simply as He wants. as He has shown us in His Son Jesus.

little children, keep yourselves from idols.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#9
should a living person breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out..... ?

is it better if i say "thus sayeth....." "you must breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out" in order to continue in existence and life on earth ?

yes, much better. thus the number one rule to continue in existence and life on earth is 1) "breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out".

follow this one instruction and ye shall live.

all of the previous instructions are fulfilled, and you never have to do any more. you may forget #2) stop at red lights,
and #3) don't stand in front of a fast moving train
because those have been fulfilled..... someone else has stopped at red lights(every one of them), and someone else has completely refrained from standing in front of a fast moving train, so no longer do these instructions concern you.....

............................................................
,.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,m.mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

that's how the rest of the world is - ludicrous and silly on the way to death. ignoring the Creator Himself and His servants/messengers/emmisaries/sons.

the simple truth is,
whoever seeks the Creator in truth, shall find Him. that is His Promise where? in Torah. in His Instructions. through His Son Yeshua Hamashiach. (Jesus).

His instructions for life are simple. stop hurting one another. stop lying to one another. no more divorce. no more murder. no more stealing. all these things, people have done. all these things the penalty for is death. ..... and so JESUS DIED. for all these things. and WAS RESURRECTED BY YAHWEH never to die again ! JESUS IS ALIVE. so start believing Him. start listening to Him (and not to dead people!!!!!!!)(not even 'saints' who have passed).
yes,
whosoever shall believe (actively relying on and constantly depend all the time on Him, doing as He says) in the Name of the Master Yeshua, shall be saved.

don't complicate this. don't cause the little ones to stumble. ("woe to him who causes one of these little ones to stumble. who takes the light out of the eyes of a child").

may God grant us all such grace, to live simply as He wants. as He has shown us in His Son Jesus.

little children, keep yourselves from idols.
yet again,

If you have not come to God, and admitted you have failed, are failing, and will continue to fail in the just requirment of the law.

These things will give you great blessing on earth, may even prolong your life. But will do NOTHING to help you get to heaven.

what good is it if a man or woman obey God on earth, is blessed on earth, and prolongs his life on earth because he did not run the redlight, or stand in front of a train. yet spends eternity in hell, because he has not come to God and cried out for his mercy?
because you have not admited.

1. There is non good but God (according to the law)
2. That anyone is who does not obey ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE LAW, are under a curse.?

 
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eternally-gratefull

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Why are you so worried about people being cursed?

Why am I worried?
Because if you do not admit your cursed, You can not humble yourself and come to Gods grace. Because unless one admits he is cursed. He will never be justified, and get to heaven.


The pharisee thought he was not cursed, Jesus tried to prove he was, by telling him to sell all he had, the guy did not see he broke the first command and was cursed, even though he obeyed (or thought he obeyed) the rest since birth.


A legalist can not admit he is still cursed, because he would have to admit, all his hard work is for nought.

It took a personal visit by Jesus to show this to paul. What is it going to take for God to show you?
 

Hizikyah

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1. There is non good but God (according to the law)
So dive in a mud pit?

or...

1 Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in Yahweh, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in Yahweh."
2. That anyone is who does not obey ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE LAW, are under a curse.?
Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So dive in a mud pit?
No.

So come to Christ as the tax collector. Call out on the name of God for his mercy, and be justified by the blood of Christ.

Then learn to live the righteous life God intended you to live in the first place. by obeying his commands.

Or fail to admit your cursed. and continue to be a pharisee and try to save yourself!
 

Hizikyah

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Why am I worried?
Because if you do not admit your cursed, You can not humble yourself and come to Gods grace. Because unless one admits he is cursed. He will never be justified, and get to heaven.


The pharisee thought he was not cursed, Jesus tried to prove he was, by telling him to sell all he had, the guy did not see he broke the first command and was cursed, even though he obeyed (or thought he obeyed) the rest since birth.


A legalist can not admit he is still cursed, because he would have to admit, all his hard work is for nought.

It took a personal visit by Jesus to show this to paul. What is it going to take for God to show you?
Hello.

My name is Hizikyah,




I am (Yah willing) a follower of Messiah





My life changed when he truly accepted Yahshua...







Why are the lines so far apart?










Because It seems im farther down the road than you seem to realize.
 

Hizikyah

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No.

So come to Christ as the tax collector. Call out on the name of God for his mercy, and be justified by the blood of Christ.

Then learn to live the righteous life God intended you to live in the first place. by obeying his commands.

Or fail to admit your cursed. and continue to be a pharisee and try to save yourself!
Why would I claim curses when the Messiah has become my Passover Lamb?
 

Hizikyah

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#15
What Commandments are valid for the followers of Yahshua (Jesus).





Matt 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."




Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."




Matt 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."





Matti 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."





Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."




John 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
EG please start another thread if you want to try to tell people they are cursed.

What Commandments are valid for the followers of Yahshua (Jesus).
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Why would I claim curses when the Messiah has become my Passover Lamb?
if he became your passover lamb, then why do you not believe that blood will redeem you when the death angel comes and visits you?

Why do you not believe on judgent day, that that blood of that lamb has been sprinkled on the mercy seat, and when God looks at you, the things which condemns you (the law) are covered, because the blood of Christ has covered the opening?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EG please start another thread if you want to try to tell people they are cursed.

What Commandments are valid for the followers of Yahshua (Jesus).

I did not tell people they are cursed.

God did.. Moses did, Paul did.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#18
Hello.

My name is Hizikyah,




I am (Yah willing) a follower of Messiah





My life changed when he truly accepted Yahshua...







Why are the lines so far apart?










Because It seems im farther down the road than you seem to realize.
You are?

So you believe that your salvation is secure in the blood of the lamb and can never be lost?

 

john832

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which ones?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

i think this shows it.

How good have you been at following these commands? Have you fulfilled the law?

By the way, You are missing the correct answer.

the correct answer would be EVERYTHING God has commanded to do. Which is much more than even the 613 you posted up there.
Again, you are answering a question that was not asked and addressing a non-existent issue.

Neither Hizikyah or myself have EVER said that we are JUSTIFIED by keeping the Law. We absolutely believe this...

Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

And we believe that this is true...

1Jn 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

and this...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

But we also believe this...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

and the author (I believe it to be Paul but YMMV) of Hebrews says this...

Heb 12:4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.

and Paul says this...

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

Paul teaches we should strive not to sin. John shows us the same but distills the remedy down to a very simple passage...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

The real problem is that this is a very inconvenient verse for those who believe the Law is done away...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

John defines sin as the transgression of the LAW.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Again, you are answering a question that was not asked and addressing a non-existent issue.

Neither Hizikyah or myself have EVER said that we are JUSTIFIED by keeping the Law. We absolutely believe this...

Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

And we believe that this is true...

1Jn 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

and this...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

But we also believe this...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

and the author (I believe it to be Paul but YMMV) of Hebrews says this...

Heb 12:4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.

and Paul says this...

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

Paul teaches we should strive not to sin. John shows us the same but distills the remedy down to a very simple passage...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

The real problem is that this is a very inconvenient verse for those who believe the Law is done away...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

John defines sin as the transgression of the LAW.
so do you believe the law still condemns you? yes or no?