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My wife has 6 I think. If I could get over my fear of needles I would have one. If they would be considered offensive tattoos then by no means. But non offensive or Biblical I wouldn't have a problem with them. Our worship leader at church has many many tattoos. It doesn't stop him from praising God so...I would personally say...up to you
Among the 'homosexuality is evil' threads, the 'tattoos are sinful' threads and the 'Islam is unduly mysogynistic' threads there is a common set of criterion a person should address.
1. If a person is to assert an instruction in a particular book of the bible is relevant and should be upheld and followed, then they should uphold all intructions within said book, on matter of principle; for if one instruction within a book of instructions is not valid, the whole book is therefore not valid.
2. Which book does said instruction come from?
3. Do you, as a believer of that particular instruction, also follow all other instructions in that book? If not, then you should re-examine yourself in that light.
So, let's answer hose questions for tattoos.
Now, the instruction against tattoos comes from Leviticus (19:28 to be precise) and commands for people 'do not mark your bodies with tattoos'. If this instruction is valid, then all other of Leviticus' instructions must be valid, otherwise which do you uphold and which do you not?
Other instructions within Leviticus include the instruction that a woman must be killed if she wears fabric of two different materials, that men who sleep with men must be stoned to death, that daughters can be sold into slavery, that any person who touches the flesh of a deceased pig is unclean, and that fortunetellers should be put to death, among many others.
Do you consider those instructions as commands to be upheld? If not, then you have no reason to consider tattoos sinful,and you might as well tear Levitius out of your bible.
1. If a person is to assert an instruction in a particular book of the bible is relevant and should be upheld and followed, then they should uphold all intructions within said book, on matter of principle; for if one instruction within a book of instructions is not valid, the whole book is therefore not valid.
2. Which book does said instruction come from?
3. Do you, as a believer of that particular instruction, also follow all other instructions in that book? If not, then you should re-examine yourself in that light.
So, let's answer hose questions for tattoos.
Now, the instruction against tattoos comes from Leviticus (19:28 to be precise) and commands for people 'do not mark your bodies with tattoos'. If this instruction is valid, then all other of Leviticus' instructions must be valid, otherwise which do you uphold and which do you not?
Other instructions within Leviticus include the instruction that a woman must be killed if she wears fabric of two different materials, that men who sleep with men must be stoned to death, that daughters can be sold into slavery, that any person who touches the flesh of a deceased pig is unclean, and that fortunetellers should be put to death, among many others.
Do you consider those instructions as commands to be upheld? If not, then you have no reason to consider tattoos sinful,and you might as well tear Levitius out of your bible.
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Why do some ask questions like --- How far to the edge of the clift can I go before I might fall off?
Like - How much can I Do & still get away with it with God?
Why not ask - How can I get closer to Him and learn His Voice and Love Him more each day so that my THOUGHTS are like His and I "walk as He walked"?
Sigh!
Like - How much can I Do & still get away with it with God?
Why not ask - How can I get closer to Him and learn His Voice and Love Him more each day so that my THOUGHTS are like His and I "walk as He walked"?
Sigh!
maybe it depends on the reason of getting the tattoo, IDK. Seems like a lot of people do it today because a lot of other people are doing it. Kinda like keeping up with the jones. i have a couple tattoos, and if i had the choice to do it over i think i would pass. Remember the Word says be ye separate from the world, and i don't think tattoo parlors are in the New Heaven, and New Earth, but thats my honest opinion.
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Sin. The bible says not to mark your body. But if you already have that doesnt mean you can't be a Christian. It just means you sinned in the past- and what Christian hasn't? It is not natural. The bible says not to fashion yourself like the worldly do. I personally do not have a tattoo. I thought about it once, but now that God's will, and the matter of right and wrong are more clear to me now, I am so thankful I didn't do it. My son wanted them because they have brighter colors now, and their slogan "Body Canvas" led his mindframe. But now he regrets it. He is selconscience about it, tugging on his shortsleeve shirt to cover it, wanting to wear long sleeves even in the summer, not wanting to go swimming. He says, "I wish I would've listened to you mom." He wants to have it removed, but it's so expensive and leaves your skin looking scarred-up.
I agree with everything except tearing out Leviticus from the bible 
...The ten commandments does not say thou shall not mark your skin with a tattoo...I do agree where certain parts of OT especially in Leviticus there is much pick and choosing. I've mostly noticed it tends to follow in trend of very self-righteous individuals...if we are saying tattoos are sinful...as per Leviticus why aren't all those caught in adultery not stoned? Or Women that are in their menstrual cycle not secluded from everyone else until they are "clean"...or others as you mentioned and many more that you weren't mentioned?
I believe (this may transfer into the law vs grace thread) that the law was set in place so that we would know what is and what is not sinful in the eyes of the Lord.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "You shall not covet."
I also believe that those laws and many others were set in place as to raise the bar so high so that we could come to the conclusion that no NOT ONE OF US can or would fulfill God's prerequisites for perfection and holiness, NOT ONE OF US IS WORTHY! Until, Jesus Christ
...The ten commandments does not say thou shall not mark your skin with a tattoo...I do agree where certain parts of OT especially in Leviticus there is much pick and choosing. I've mostly noticed it tends to follow in trend of very self-righteous individuals...if we are saying tattoos are sinful...as per Leviticus why aren't all those caught in adultery not stoned? Or Women that are in their menstrual cycle not secluded from everyone else until they are "clean"...or others as you mentioned and many more that you weren't mentioned? I believe (this may transfer into the law vs grace thread) that the law was set in place so that we would know what is and what is not sinful in the eyes of the Lord.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "You shall not covet."
I also believe that those laws and many others were set in place as to raise the bar so high so that we could come to the conclusion that no NOT ONE OF US can or would fulfill God's prerequisites for perfection and holiness, NOT ONE OF US IS WORTHY! Until, Jesus Christ
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Know a girl who came from a strong biker background. She is cartooned up pretty heavily. About ten years ago she made a quality decision and accepted Jesus into her life. She had become anew creature in Christ in a huge way Thank God! Anyhow....being as she looked the way she did she had a horrible time finding a church that would accept her. She was hungry for the word of God and her desre was to get involved with other Christians. This became a struggle for her and THAT struggle was incredibly sad sad sad!!!! I cannot express how sad THAT type of thing is!! No doubt Gid is not pleased at all with this type of behavior and sad to say it is more common than many like to admit.
Eventually God led he to a place where she was accepted " Just as I am without one plea". God help us!
All I can say to this is CHRISTIANS WAKE UP !! WWJD??
Praise God their evil actions did not drive her back to a lifestyle that God delivered her from but the FACTS are real that these things happen.
Eventually God led he to a place where she was accepted " Just as I am without one plea". God help us!
All I can say to this is CHRISTIANS WAKE UP !! WWJD??
Praise God their evil actions did not drive her back to a lifestyle that God delivered her from but the FACTS are real that these things happen.
No doubt...unfortunately many see Hypocrisy as one of the beatitudes in Matthew.......! I went to a church that had a biker start coming....he sat on the front row faithfully and took notes of everything said.....when he came forward for immersion I was disgusted at how many seconds it took for someone to recommend full fellowship with this guy.....you should have seen the little old ladies start sweating on the day he was immersed when like 50 bikers pulled up in the parking lot and came it to watch his immersion.....I laid out about a 40 minute lesson on biblical salvation and rejoiced in the opportunity to proclaim the truth to these guys and gals.......many who sit in the churches today would reject John the Baptist and Jesus if they walked in looking the way they looked when they walked the earth.....!
This story and the attitude of fellow Christians you've described enrages me!!!! What the heck is wrong with people?!!!! Here was a lost sheep that was found. In Heaven there was and still is more joy for her than for 99 sheep that were never lost in the first place. There should have been overwhelming rejoicing in any and all congregations she entered!!!! I can't stand my own brethren some time!!!!
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I've only 'spoke' on a Christian radio program one time and the whole hour I talked about these sorts of incidents. One 'church' wouldn't let a guy in because he had a beard and I could go on all day about incidences like this and almost did go over my hour rebuking this type behavior.
I have a tatoo that I got before I came to the Lord --- it's 41 yrs old now and they lie when they say that they FADE. I'm not ashamed of it but I don't wear sleeveless tops because it's just not something that I want the whole world to know ... as you know, passinthru, how people react.
Living down in the bible belt was an experience that provoked me to that anger that made me speak as I did against that behavior of discriminating against people that come through the door of a "Church" based solely by how they look.
And as Brother Don said, if I were faced with it again - I surely wouldn't have done it - regardless that it's a cross with a heart in the middle saying "Dad" ... but that wasn't my first choice. I wanted an anchor but on my shoulder so I could still wear anything without it being seen, if I didn't want it seen... but the guy couldn't do anchors but only what he had up on the wall ... so I picked the cross but his cross said "Mom" and I asked if he could write "Dad" instead. At my age or the older I get - the stranger I feel when medical people see it, like in the hospital where I don't have time to explain how old I was when I got it - like I did to my GP-Dr. Adding: it's on my upper arm.
Anyhow - before I read your post, passinthru - about this thread I was also thinking WWJD? and that always helps when making decisions if I'm not hearing the Spirit dropping a Scripture verse into my head about an issue I'm questioning and I feel that's an appropriate answer to give anybody on Any issue - even the OP -- besides the stories that you and I have shared about 'churches'.
Thanks!
I have a tatoo that I got before I came to the Lord --- it's 41 yrs old now and they lie when they say that they FADE. I'm not ashamed of it but I don't wear sleeveless tops because it's just not something that I want the whole world to know ... as you know, passinthru, how people react.
Living down in the bible belt was an experience that provoked me to that anger that made me speak as I did against that behavior of discriminating against people that come through the door of a "Church" based solely by how they look.
And as Brother Don said, if I were faced with it again - I surely wouldn't have done it - regardless that it's a cross with a heart in the middle saying "Dad" ... but that wasn't my first choice. I wanted an anchor but on my shoulder so I could still wear anything without it being seen, if I didn't want it seen... but the guy couldn't do anchors but only what he had up on the wall ... so I picked the cross but his cross said "Mom" and I asked if he could write "Dad" instead. At my age or the older I get - the stranger I feel when medical people see it, like in the hospital where I don't have time to explain how old I was when I got it - like I did to my GP-Dr. Adding: it's on my upper arm.
Anyhow - before I read your post, passinthru - about this thread I was also thinking WWJD? and that always helps when making decisions if I'm not hearing the Spirit dropping a Scripture verse into my head about an issue I'm questioning and I feel that's an appropriate answer to give anybody on Any issue - even the OP -- besides the stories that you and I have shared about 'churches'.
Thanks!
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It depands of someones origin, personal background, social environment and the context of the tattoo.
Simple examps:
1) Sin for sure if you have hebrew parents - because Old Testament prohibit it directly.
2) Not sin at all if you are a monk of anthiohian patriarchat and follow tradition to get small religious tatto against your heart.
3) Demonic picture in your chest is bigger sin than a flower on shoulder of your girl-freind
Simple examps:
1) Sin for sure if you have hebrew parents - because Old Testament prohibit it directly.
2) Not sin at all if you are a monk of anthiohian patriarchat and follow tradition to get small religious tatto against your heart.
3) Demonic picture in your chest is bigger sin than a flower on shoulder of your girl-freind