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Crownof12

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"what is the nationality of my father and forefathers according to the true law of God & the Bible?" Someone asked me and I don't know the answer
 
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"what is the nationality of my father and forefathers according to the true law of God & the Bible?" Someone asked me and I don't know the answer
If you are referring about the nationality of Abraham before he has left his father's home.

Ur was a city in the region of Sumer, southern Mesopotamia, in what is modern-day Iraq. According to biblical tradition, the city is named after the man who founded the first settlement there, Ur, though this has been disputed. The city’s other biblical link is to the patriarch Abraham who left Ur to settle in the land of Canaan. This claim has also been contested by scholars who believe that Abraham’s home was further north in Mesopotamia in a place called Ura, near the city of Harran, and that the writers of the biblical narrative in the Book of Genesis confused the two. Whatever its biblical connections may have been, Ur was a significant port city on the Persian Gulf which began, most likely, as a small village in the Ubaid Period of Mesopotamian history (5000-4100 BCE) and was an established city by 3800 BCE continually inhabited until 450 BCE. http://www.ancient.eu/ur/
 
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Kerry

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"what is the nationality of my father and forefathers according to the true law of God & the Bible?" Someone asked me and I don't know the answer
Your father if you have faith in the work of the cross, has no nationality, He is the creator of all heaven and Earth. I am an American, but this is not my home, I'm just here for little while. Jesus said I go to prepare a place for you and that's my home.
 
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"what is the nationality of my father and forefathers according to the true law of God & the Bible?" Someone asked me and I don't know the answer
The nationality is the nation of Israel. Israel has 12 tribes and GOD scattered them all over the world. The tribe that we are most familiar with is Judah, which is the Jews in the modern day country of Israel. There are eleven other tribes that were scattered long ago, but most of them likely do not know who they are. But to answer the question, the nationality of our forefathers as of this point in time would be Israelite.
 
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Kerry

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The nationality is the nation of Israel. Israel has 12 tribes and GOD scattered them all over the world. The tribe that we are most familiar with is Judah, which is the Jews in the modern day country of Israel. There are eleven other tribes that were scattered long ago, but most of them likely do not know who they are. But to answer the question, the nationality of our forefathers as of this point in time would be Israelite.
Good job, but Benjamin stuck with Judah, and the ten tribes were lost. But her is a fun fact, there were 13 tribes as Levi was not given an inheritance for their inheritance was the work of the temple. Joseph was split into Ephraim, the dominant tribe of the northern kingdom and Manasseh. Most of the Levites stuck with Judah as well, because the temple was in Judah at Jerusalem. But what they hey if you believe in Jesus Christ then God is your Father, amen.
 

Joidevivre

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I think Noah was my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, and many greats my great grandfather.

I can only hope to live up to the legacy he left me of pure faith in God's word.
 

posthuman

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"what is the nationality of my father and forefathers according to the true law of God & the Bible?" Someone asked me and I don't know the answer

father?

And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
(Matthew 23:9)

nationality?

The LORD is exalted over all the nations, his glory above the heavens.
(Psalm 113:4)




 
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father?

And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
(Matthew 23:9)

nationality?

The LORD is exalted over all the nations, his glory above the heavens.
(Psalm 113:4)




The actual meaning of that verse:

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.


is:

Call no man GOD!
 

crossnote

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I think Noah was my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, and many greats my great grandfather.

I can only hope to live up to the legacy he left me of pure faith in God's word.
I hear your Noah, and raise you one Adam :)
 

posthuman

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The actual meaning of that verse:

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.


is:

Call no man GOD!

amen call no man God!

but the actual words in the text are call no man "patera" which means literally "father" (used 94 times in the scripture, always translated "father")
because we have one "Pater" which means also "father" - a particular one, in heaven.

maybe someone who has studied Greek can teach us what the difference in these two words is?

i agree that no man should be called "God" of course, but i don't think it's good to toss out what the Lord literally said just because there's another implication.
 

Yahshua

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"what is the nationality of my father and forefathers according to the true law of God & the Bible?" Someone asked me and I don't know the answer
Do you mean the forefathers of your flesh (bloodline from Adam)?

It's difficult to know the nationality of your forefathers from Adam without knowing their ethnicity, whether they intermarried, whether they ever traveled to a new nation to settle down, etc. But Genesis Chapter 10 gives the table of nations from Noah's sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth.

Because there has been so much intermarriage (and conquering) between the offspring of these three brothers one can't really rely too much on one's external characteristics to determine from which brother one comes...and at this point (in Christ) it's really irrelevant. But the following is still true about Noah's sons:


Shem

Shem means "name", so those from Shem are called Semites or "people of the name". Anyone from Abraham's fleshy bloodline - Ishmael, Medan, Midian, Isaac - is a Semite (or Semitic), not just the descendants of Israel (the Jews). Even cousins like the Assyrians were Semitic. Assyrian Empire & Kingdom of Israel.


Ham

Ham means "sun-kissed" (or in its most basic meaning, "burnt"), so Ham was the progenitor of those of darker-skinned characteristic. These are the African nations like the kingdoms of Egypt (originally called Mizraim until Alexander renamed it), Ethiopia, Kush, Canaan. The evil king Nimrod (who led the world to build the tower of babel) was also a descendant of Ham.


Japheth ('Yah-pet')

Japheth means "Yah entices/attracts"; these were the fairer-skinned cousins of the world's family. These are your original European people: Ashkenaz (Germans & Russians), Magog (Scythians [Ireland?]), Tubal (lberians [Italians, Spanish]), Javan (Ionians/Greeks). Alexander the Great. The Greco-Roman Empire.

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Again, in Christ this is all pretty moot because anyone who has faith is a seed of Abraham. But then again...anyone *not* in Christ (which is much of the world) is still a descendant from their perspective forefather.