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Oh boy, you don't know what you just started. You'll get a ton of scripture from those who say you can, and you'll get a ton of scripture from those who say you can't (known as Once Saved Always Saved or OSAS).
Since I don't scripture war I'll let them quote you chapter and verse, but really, it takes a conscious decision to accept Christ, and it takes a conscious decision to reject Him.
Since I don't scripture war I'll let them quote you chapter and verse, but really, it takes a conscious decision to accept Christ, and it takes a conscious decision to reject Him.
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When a person is Saved, their name is written in the Book of Life.
However there are Scriptures which teach that a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life.
Scriptures can't be broken. click on the link above to see relevant Scriptures.
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When a person is Saved, their name is written in the Book of Life.
However there are Scriptures which teach that a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life.
Scriptures can't be broken. click on the link above to see relevant Scriptures.
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Here ya go. There's a war already in progress over this....
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/105800-osas-true-false.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/105800-osas-true-false.html
What RickyZ says here is True. But know this.
If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is wrong. Remember that and the Truth will find you when you seek for it.
You see many who believe you can't lose your salvation will show verses that they interpret to mean you can't lose your Salvation, all the while ignoring, or voiding, or interpreting away all the verses that says and teach you can lose it. Believe the Scriptures and what they teach. The mere fact that the Bible says a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life, is PROOF that Once Saved Always Saved can't possibly be correct.
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If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is wrong. Remember that and the Truth will find you when you seek for it.
You see many who believe you can't lose your salvation will show verses that they interpret to mean you can't lose your Salvation, all the while ignoring, or voiding, or interpreting away all the verses that says and teach you can lose it. Believe the Scriptures and what they teach. The mere fact that the Bible says a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life, is PROOF that Once Saved Always Saved can't possibly be correct.
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The idea is to take in the big picture. Those who believe OSAS have a basis for their belief, as do the opposing side. OSASers will show that once we crawl into His hands He keeps us there, while ignoring scriptures that say nonetheless we are free to crawl out. The gist is that there is nothing we can do to make God reject us - nothing. But we are always free, always, to reject Him.
100% correct. But is it not written that interpretations belong to God. If then they belong to God they are not to belong to men. Men are not to interpret the Word of God, it is not their place to do so. God interprets His own Word, God reveals to whom God will reveal. The problem is, and always was, men interpreting that which they have no business interpreting.
We now have over a hundred denomination because of misinterpretations by men who say this means that, or that means this. Even Paul teaches there is no private interpretation. That is to say, it is NOT to be privately, individually, by self, interpreted. God reveals to whom God will reveal it.
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We now have over a hundred denomination because of misinterpretations by men who say this means that, or that means this. Even Paul teaches there is no private interpretation. That is to say, it is NOT to be privately, individually, by self, interpreted. God reveals to whom God will reveal it.
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It would be 1000% impossible for last-day prophecy to come to pass IF OSAS were true......
2 Thessalonians 2:2-4 (KJV) [SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, NOR by word, nor by letter as FROM us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself THAT he is God.
In order to "fall away" from the faith, you have to be saved first. Sinners can't do that.
2 Thessalonians 2:2-4 (KJV) [SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, NOR by word, nor by letter as FROM us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself THAT he is God.
In order to "fall away" from the faith, you have to be saved first. Sinners can't do that.
Right now I'm at a point where I want to believe God wouldn't let us lose salvation and I'd like to believe in OSAS. I also don't believe that this means you can run around and do as you please even if its against God. But I've been looking into the "losing salvation" argument side. And regardless if we can or not I agree with what you said that it has to be on our part and not God's part. I don't see God just taking someone's salvation from them.
The Scriptures alone states the truth.
John 5:29 (KJV) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
[HR][/HR]Romans 13:2 (KJV) Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[HR][/HR]Romans 14:23 (KJV) And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
[HR][/HR]1 Corinthians 11:26-30 (KJV) [SUP]26 [/SUP]For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
[HR][/HR]1 Timothy 5:9-13 (KJV) [SUP]9 [/SUP]Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man, [SUP]10 [/SUP]Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; [SUP]12[/SUP]Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
This isn't even half.
John 5:29 (KJV) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
[HR][/HR]Romans 13:2 (KJV) Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[HR][/HR]Romans 14:23 (KJV) And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
[HR][/HR]1 Corinthians 11:26-30 (KJV) [SUP]26 [/SUP]For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
[HR][/HR]1 Timothy 5:9-13 (KJV) [SUP]9 [/SUP]Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man, [SUP]10 [/SUP]Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; [SUP]12[/SUP]Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
This isn't even half.