Who Are GOD'S Children And Where Are They?

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Who Are GOD'S Children And Where Are They?

This Study is a supporting study of the Study named 'Who Are The Angels?'.

Notice in the verse and definitions below that God is plural. Elohiym means the extreme GOD and HIS children (angels).
Notice also that 'image' means 'phantom' which is a resemblance or illusion of something, in this case it would be copies, such that GOD and HIS children created man as copies of themselves, but in flesh.
Now, if you do not know why God would do that, then you need to learn the whole story of why man was created on the earth in flesh in the first place.

Gen 1:26 And GodH430 said,H559 Let us makeH6213 manH120 in our image,H6754 after our likeness:H1823 and let them have dominionH7287 over the fishH1710 of the sea,H3220 and over the fowlH5775 of the air,H8064 and over the cattle,H929 and over allH3605 the earth,H776 and over everyH3605 creeping thingH7431 that creepethH7430 uponH5921 the earth.H776
Gen 1:27 So GodH430 createdH1254 (H853) manH120 in his own image,H6754 in the imageH6754 of GodH430 createdH1254 he him; maleH2145 and femaleH5347 createdH1254 he them.

H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

H6754
צלם
tselem
tseh'-lem
From an unused root meaning to shade; a phantom, that is, (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence a representative figure, especially an idol: - image, vain shew.
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These verses show that GOD (The Most High) calls HIS children elohiym, the same as those that created man in their image.

Psa 82:1 A PsalmH4210 of Asaph.H623 GodH430 standethH5324 in the congregationH5712 of the mighty;H410 he judgethH8199 amongH7130 the gods.H430
Psa 82:2 How longH5704 H4970 will ye judgeH8199 unjustly,H5766 and acceptH5375 the personsH6440 of the wicked?H7563 Selah.H5542
Psa 82:3 DefendH8199 the poorH1800 and fatherless:H3490 do justiceH6663 to the afflictedH6041 and needy.H7326
Psa 82:4 DeliverH6403 the poorH1800 and needy:H34 ridH5337 them out of the handH4480 H3027 of the wicked.H7563
Psa 82:5 They knowH3045 not,H3808 neitherH3808 will they understand;H995 they walk onH1980 in darkness:H2825 allH3605 the foundationsH4146 of the earthH776 are out of course.H4131
Psa 82:6 IH589 have said,H559 Ye are gods;H430 and allH3605 of youH859 are childrenH1121 of the most High.H5945
Psa 82:7 ButH403 ye shall dieH4191 like men,H120 and fallH5307 like oneH259 of the princes.H8269
Psa 82:8 Arise,H6965 O God,H430 judgeH8199 the earth:H776 forH3588 thouH859 shalt inheritH5157 allH3605 nations.H1471

H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

H5945
עליון
‛elyôn
el-yone'
From H5927; an elevation, that is, (adjectively) lofty (comparatively); as title, the Supreme: - (Most, on) high (-er, -est), upper (-most).
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Jeremiah was a prophet, and prophets are men in the flesh. If you look at the definition of 'I knew', you will see that GOD knew Jeremiah before he was in his mother's womb, and that 'I knew' means knew by seeing Jeremiah, by observing Jeremiah, and by recognizing Jeremiah. Since GOD knew Jeremiah before he was in his mother's womb, that means Jeremiah had to be somewhere and that 'somewhere' was with GOD in Heaven and it was before Jeremiah became flesh. If this is true for Jeremiah, then it must also be true for us.

Jer 1:4 Then the wordH1697 of the LORDH3068 cameH1961 untoH413 me, saying,H559
Jer 1:5 BeforeH2962 I formedH3335 thee in the bellyH990 I knewH3045 thee; and beforeH2962 thou camest forthH3318 out of the wombH4480 H7358 I sanctifiedH6942 thee, and I ordainedH5414 thee a prophetH5030 unto the nations.H1471

H3045
ידע
yâda‛
yaw-dah'
A primitive root; to know (properly to ascertain by seeing); used in a great variety of senses, figuratively, literally, euphemistically and inferentially (including observation, care, recognition; and causatively instruction, designation, punishment, etc.): - acknowledge, acquaintance (-ted with), advise, answer, appoint, assuredly, be aware, [un-] awares, can [-not], certainly, for a certainty, comprehend, consider, X could they, cunning, declare, be diligent, (can, cause to) discern, discover, endued with, familiar friend, famous, feel, can have, be [ig-] norant, instruct, kinsfolk, kinsman, (cause to, let, make) know, (come to give, have, take) knowledge, have [knowledge], (be, make, make to be, make self) known, + be learned, + lie by man, mark, perceive, privy to, X prognosticator, regard, have respect, skilful, shew, can (man of) skill, be sure, of a surety, teach, (can) tell, understand, have [understanding], X will be, wist, wit, wot.
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GOD hated Esau while he was just a baby being formed in his mother's womb. Why did GOD hate Esau before he was born? Well, read all the verses so that you can see what was going on, then focus on verse Romans 9:22. In verse Romans 9:22 it tells the answer. If GOD is willing to show HIS wrath and to make HIS power known, there has to be a reason. The reason is that GOD endured with patience (longsuffering) the vessels (or people) that were fit to be destroyed. The fact that GOD endured means that HE was being patient over time. That means those vessels (or people) were doing something over time that GOD did not like. And what does GOD not like? Well, that is written throughout the Bible. GOD does not like unrighteous prideful selfish wicked people (children). So, GOD is obviously merciful to give them a chance to be born in flesh and possibly come back to HIM.

Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
Rom 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
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The son of perdition (perdition means to perish) is the devil. There is only one named son of GOD that is sentenced to death already and that is satan and his death sentence was decreed in Ezekiel 28 (to be turned to ashes from the inside out). Here, the devil is referred to as a man. That must mean that the word 'man' doesn't just mean flesh or human. It must mean 'being', whether in flesh or a spiri body as written in 1st Corinthians chapter 15.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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Notice that the definition of the archangel Gabriel's name is 'man of GOD'. We know that arch angels never became or become flesh. Gabriel was definitely not in the flesh.

Dan_8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
Dan_9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
Luk_1:19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
Luk_1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

H1403
גּבריאל
gabrı̂y'êl
gab-ree-ale'
From H1397 and H410; man of God; Gabriel, an archangel: - Gabriel.

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This angel tells John that he is of John's brothers the prophets. We know that prophets are flesh men that GOD ordained to speak HIS Words to the people. So if this angel is 'of them' meaning 'of the prophets', then he must have been in flesh before.

Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
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GOD'S children partook of flesh and blood. Well, if you take a look at the definition of 'himself likewise' below, you will see that JESUS did this also similarly or in the same manner. The man of war did the same as we did. HE came here in FLESH and BLOOD! The LORD is HIS name.

Heb 2:14 ForasmuchG1893 thenG3767 as theG3588 childrenG3813 are partakersG2841 of fleshG4561 andG2532 blood,G129 heG846 alsoG2532 himself likewiseG3898 took partG3348 of theG3588 same;G846 thatG2443 throughG1223 deathG2288 he might destroyG2673 him that hadG2192 theG3588 powerG2904 of death,G2288 that is,G5123 theG3588 devil;G1228

G3898
παραπλησίως
paraplēsiōs
par-ap-lay-see'-oce
Adverb from the same as G3897; in a manner near by, that is, (figuratively) similarly: - likewise.
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The war is between GOD and satan! Whose side are you on?
Then dump your rapture theory! There is no rapture. Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke and watch for the keywords 'delivered up' so that you will know what your job is!

Exo 15:3 The LORDH3068 is a manH376 of war:H4421 the LORDH3068 is his name.H8034

H376
אישׁ
'ı̂ysh
eesh
Contracted for H582 (or perhaps rather from an unused root meaning to be extant); a man as an individual or a male person; often used as an adjunct to a more definite term (and in such cases frequently not expressed in translation.) : - also, another, any (man), a certain, + champion, consent, each, every (one), fellow, [foot-, husband-] man, (good-, great, mighty) man, he, high (degree), him (that is), husband, man [-kind], + none, one, people, person, + steward, what (man) soever, whoso (-ever), worthy. Compare H802.

H4421
מלחמה
milchâmâh
mil-khaw-maw'
From H3898 (in the sense of fighting); a battle (that is, the engagement); generally war (that is, warfare): - battle, fight, (-ing), war ([-rior]).
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Notice verse Job 38:7 below. The sons of GOD shouted for joy! Aren't sons children? I think they must have partook of flesh and blood just like HE did!

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morningH1242 starsH3556 sangH7442 together,H3162 and allH3605 the sonsH1121 of GodH430 shouted for joy?H7321

H3556
כּוכב
kôkâb
ko-kawb'
Probably from the same as H3522 (in the sense of rolling) or H3554 (in the sense of blazing); a star (as round or as shining); figuratively a prince: - star ([-gazer]).

H1121
בּן
bên
bane
From H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1, H251, etc.): - + afflicted, age, [Ahoh-] [Ammon-] [Hachmon-] [Lev-]ite, [anoint-]ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, [Assyr-] [Babylon-] [Egypt-] [Grec-]ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant[-est], whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.
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Born Again?

This verses says that we must be born again, but born again actually means be born of woman (the water is the sack) and be born FROM above. Meaning unless we came from GOD to this flesh age, we cannot return to GOD. It probably also means that fallen angels that never came through woman to this age cannot enter Heaven.
So, according to the definition of 'be born' in John 3:3, it means procreate of father and mother, conceive, beget, be born, and this is in the physical sense of having a baby.
And according to the definition of 'again' as in 'born again', again actually means 'from above'. So this verse is actually saying that for someone to see the Kingdom Of GOD, they must come from above and have a physical birth through the water sack of the woman. Didn't the children of GOD that shouted for joy as the Morning Stars sang partake of flesh and blood in the same manner as HE did?

Joh 3:3 JesusG2424 answeredG611 andG2532 saidG2036 unto him,G846 Verily,G281 verily,G281 I sayG3004 unto thee,G4671 ExceptG3362 a manG5100 be bornG1080 again,G509 he cannotG1410 G3756 seeG1492 theG3588 kingdomG932 of God.G2316

G1080
γεννάω
gennaō
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: - bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.

G509
ἄνωθεν
anōthen
an'-o-then
From G507; from above; by analogy from the first; by implication anew: - from above, again, from the beginning (very first), the top.
 
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Adam the human was a son of God, I myself am a child of God. And I am only an angel in the way that an angel is a messenger of God. Humans are children of God- not angels, with wings, from heaven.

Luke 3:38 "...the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God."
 

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Got nothing to back this up but if God created us or any being angel or otherwise cause we don't know everything that God has created. Would not most any being created by God be His child? Just wondering.
 
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Mt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (peace with God )

Lu 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of GodGa 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. ( IF you have the Holy Spirit rom 8 v 9 mark 16v16+ )

1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. ( God is Love ..dont get confused with emotion )

1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. (new testament)
 

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Oh so many words to tangle my mind in your post. To answer this simply, I am a child of God and I'm sitting in my living room.
 
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When God created man he gave him a free will to choose how he would conduct his life. Psalms 14:2&3 - The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of MEN, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy, there is none that doeth good, no, not one. God wants people to praise and honor him, and the only way he would have a people to do that was for God to choose an elect group of people out of a people that did no good, and was all together filthy. God's purpose in showing us this truth is in the case of Jacob and Esau. In Eph 1 he tells us that before he formed the world that he chose an elect people. (God chose us before we could have a desire to chose him, 1 Cor 2:11-14.) The new birth is being born of the Spirit while we were yet dead in trespasses and sins, Eph 2:1. God's born again children are every where. They are counted as the stars in the sky and the sand in the seashore. God's children even though they are born of the Spirit do frequently still sin, due to our fleshly nature. When God's children sin, he chastens them to bring them back by repenting. God only chastens those that are his children, and he does not chasten those that do not have the Spirit within them, Psalms 73. God sent his Son to save his elect people to an eternal heaven by washing away all of their sins, those that he gave to his Son, and they, even though they commit sins, will never be eternally lost, John 6:37-40.
 
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Romans 8:9-17 states
However, you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you. But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this person does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is in union with you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.
12 So, then, brothers, we are under obligation, not to the flesh to live according to the flesh; 13 for if you live according to the flesh, you are sure to die; but if you put the practices of the body to death by the spirit, you will live. 14 For all who are led by God’s spirit are indeed God’s sons. 15 For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: “Abba, Father!” 16 The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 If, then, we are children, we are also heirs—heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ—provided we suffer together so that we may also be glorified together. So with the adoption of Christians from Earth as God's children, now God would have terrestrial and celestial children. Some living on Earth until joining Christ in Heaven and Those angels who have always lived in Heaven.
 
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Adam the human was a son of God, I myself am a child of God. And I am only an angel in the way that an angel is a messenger of God. Humans are children of God- not angels, with wings, from heaven.

Luke 3:38 "...the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God."
Hi Kaycie,

As you said above, Adam was a son of GOD. But look at these verses in Job again. Before the earth was finished being prepared, the sons of GOD were shouting for joy.

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

And where was Jeremiah before he was in his mother's womb?

And why did the angel tell John he was a member of the prophets?
 
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Got nothing to back this up but if God created us or any being angel or otherwise cause we don't know everything that God has created. Would not most any being created by God be His child? Just wondering.
not all that are create are His children
children of God verses the children of the devil
 
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Hi Kaycie,

As you said above, Adam was a son of GOD. But look at these verses in Job again. Before the earth was finished being prepared, the sons of GOD were shouting for joy.

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

And where was Jeremiah before he was in his mother's womb?

And why did the angel tell John he was a member of the prophets?
there is a big difference
[h=1]John 1:12King James Version (KJV)[/h]12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Jesus is the only begotten of God
 
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Got nothing to back this up but if God created us or any being angel or otherwise cause we don't know everything that God has created. Would not most any being created by God be His child? Just wondering.
Yes, but we have to think about the letter as a whole. If GOD put the information there and the letter was written to us, then that means GOD is telling us something. HE is not going to say something that is not true, but he may put things in a way that only HIS elect will see. First read Job where GOD says HIS children shouted for joy, then read Hebrews 2:14 where it says that JESUS partook of flesh just like the children did. It means in the same way that the children did (likewise).
 
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Hi Kaycie,

As you said above, Adam was a son of GOD. But look at these verses in Job again. Before the earth was finished being prepared, the sons of GOD were shouting for joy.

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

And where was Jeremiah before he was in his mother's womb?

And why did the angel tell John he was a member of the prophets?
Where was Adam before God created him ?
Where was Eve before God created her ?
 
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Mt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (peace with God )

Lu 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of GodGa 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. ( IF you have the Holy Spirit rom 8 v 9 mark 16v16+ )

1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. ( God is Love ..dont get confused with emotion )

1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. (new testament)
There is a deep reason that we are the focus of all these things about GOD'S children. There is a reason that archangels would take notice and be involved. There is a reason that satan would try to stop the seed of CHRIST. Can you tell me the reason that someone can read these verses and not see what they mean?

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Rev_22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
 
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When God created man he gave him a free will to choose how he would conduct his life. Psalms 14:2&3 - The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of MEN, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy, there is none that doeth good, no, not one. God wants people to praise and honor him, and the only way he would have a people to do that was for God to choose an elect group of people out of a people that did no good, and was all together filthy. God's purpose in showing us this truth is in the case of Jacob and Esau. In Eph 1 he tells us that before he formed the world that he chose an elect people. (God chose us before we could have a desire to chose him, 1 Cor 2:11-14.) The new birth is being born of the Spirit while we were yet dead in trespasses and sins, Eph 2:1. God's born again children are every where. They are counted as the stars in the sky and the sand in the seashore. God's children even though they are born of the Spirit do frequently still sin, due to our fleshly nature. When God's children sin, he chastens them to bring them back by repenting. God only chastens those that are his children, and he does not chasten those that do not have the Spirit within them, Psalms 73. God sent his Son to save his elect people to an eternal heaven by washing away all of their sins, those that he gave to his Son, and they, even though they commit sins, will never be eternally lost, John 6:37-40.
The flesh cannot know the mind of GOD, the flesh is a veil. But it is easy to see that GOD knew us before we were in this flesh veil. Look at the definition of 'I knew' when GOD told Jeremiah that HE knew him before he was in his mother's womb. Is anyone going to say that GOD didn't say that? 'I knew' means by observation, but by magically knowing the future.

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
 
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#18
Romans 8:9-17 states
However, you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you. But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this person does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is in union with you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.
12 So, then, brothers, we are under obligation, not to the flesh to live according to the flesh; 13 for if you live according to the flesh, you are sure to die; but if you put the practices of the body to death by the spirit, you will live. 14 For all who are led by God’s spirit are indeed God’s sons. 15 For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: “Abba, Father!” 16 The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 If, then, we are children, we are also heirs—heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ—provided we suffer together so that we may also be glorified together. So with the adoption of Christians from Earth as God's children, now God would have terrestrial and celestial children. Some living on Earth until joining Christ in Heaven and Those angels who have always lived in Heaven.
Heaven will be on earth after the Millennium, and all GOD'S children will be there. GOD did not create flesh pets. HE destroyed an entire age because of rebellious children. But as HE said in Romans 9:22, HE 'endured' with 'patience'. And that endurance (which means it was over time) was before Esau was born. Otherwise, why would GOD hate Esau? It must be because HE knew Esau's personality. It's so clear, please read it over and over and ask GOD to let you see it.

Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
 
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#19
Got nothing to back this up but if God created us or any being angel or otherwise cause we don't know everything that God has created.
Would not most any being created by God be His child? Just wondering.
No, they would be his creatures.

Only the born again are his children and sons.
 
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#20
not all that are create are His children
children of God verses the children of the devil
Yes! Very wise Mr. Elect!
We are here to choose! GOD'S children rebelled. The devil is the whole cause. Now, it's time to choose. That is why we are here with a veil.