Water/Works Heretics; Canard Over the Spirit Dwelling "IN"

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A relentless Water/Works Heretic has posted in the Eternal Security Debate an off-topic distraction alleging the when Scripture says that the Spirit dwells in a Christian, it is a figure of speech for influence, alleging that IN is not literal.

But his influence theory is weaker than what scripture states.

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, from within him shall flow rivers of living water. 39 But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believed on him were to receive: for the Spirit was not yet given; because Jesus was not yet glorified. 40 Some of the multitude therefore, when they heard these words, said, This is of a truth the prophet.


16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever, 17 even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for
he abideth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you desolate: I come unto you.

There is a clear distinction between what disciples of Christ enjoyed during Christ's earthy ministry and the new dispensation in which all believers would be indwelt by the Spirit of God. The new dispensation has a ministry distinct from the Spirit merely abiding with someone.


Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own.

BTW, temple here is naus, not merely the temple complex, but the sanctuary into which only priests could enter.

The body of the Christian is a dwelling place for God's Spirit -- this is more profound than mere "influence." We should not defile the Temple of God, as for example, with fornication. A physical body is a habitation for the Spirit.

Now one may speculate on how a non-physical spirit relates to a physical place and claim that the whole idea is figurative. But we are given this truth in this language; thus we should think of it as it is revealed. In speaking of Christ's physical departure from the earth, He predicted the coming of the Spirit & sent the Holy Spirit Himself. The coming of the Spirit & the Spirit's baptism was prophesied in Acts 1 and fulfilled in Acts 2 in the believers there on Pentecost, not just the apostles.

In trying to understand how a water works heretic gets off on this, I am not sure, but I suspect that somehow this "non-literal" canard is related to his objection to recognizing Spirit baptism as it would interfere with his water-works heresy.

For by grace you have been saved through faith . . . not of works lest any fish should boast.























 

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Are you looking for verses?
 
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1 Jn 4;12-15:

Does God literally dwell in the Christian and the Christian literally dwell in God?


1 Jn 3:23,24:

Does Christ literally dwell in the Christian and does the Christian literally dwell in Christ?
 
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1 Jn 4;12-15:

Does God literally dwell in the Christian and the Christian literally dwell in God?



1 Jn 3:23,24:

Does Christ literally dwell in the Christian and does the Christian literally dwell in Christ?
Scripture says that in the spirits of God, Christ and the Christian, they do.
 
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1 Jn 4;12-15:

Does God literally dwell in the Christian and the Christian literally dwell in God?

1 Jn 3:23,24:

Does Christ literally dwell in the Christian and does the Christian literally dwell in Christ?
Well, if you are born of the Spirit - that Spirit dwells within you. 1 John 4:12-15 says He is IN us . . . because He has given us of His Spirit - that is how we are partakers of the divine nature. I think via the gift of holy Spirit - God in Christ "literally" dwell IN us

John 17:20,21 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me . . . . That is how we are part of the church; the body with Christ as the head. . . There is one body . . . [Eph. 4:4a]


Yep . . . v24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him and he in him . . . V23 And this is his commandment - That we believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another as he gave us commandment . .


 

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I have posted these before elsewhere, maybe they can be helpful

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, heshall testify of me:


John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; forhe dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Again this way, used interchangeably with the Holy Ghost (who shall teach)

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all thingsto your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Even John the baptist (the forerunner of the Messiah) says of Jesus

Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

John 20:21-22 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathedon them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Acts 2:23 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this,which ye now see and hear.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Luke 12:12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

The Mouth of wisdom (which is the Spirit of your Father) which speaketh


Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost,whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

Who said...

Mark 1:8 I (John) indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

John 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should comeafter him, that is, on Christ Jesus. (John 1:30, 34)

Ephes 1:12-13 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after thatye heard the word of truth,the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

2Cr 1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

Acts 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

The promise...

Luke 23:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

David speaking by the same

Mark 12: 36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
 
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Not to mention...If the Spirit that raised up Jesus DWELLS IN YOU.......New Lightism is the heretical doctrine that states the Spirit of God does not dwell in a believer......and ultimately leads to (church) salvation...more heresy!
 
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When the bible says the Christian abides in God or abides in Christ that that abiding is not a literal location. The Christian literally abides here upon earth. In all of the 100+ places in the bible where it says the Christian is "in Christ" that is not referring to literal geographical location but refers to a relationship between Christ and the Christian, Christian in Christ and Christ in the Christian.

Here is list of Greek words translated to the English dwell, dwelling, etc:

Meno: “not to depart, not to leave, to continue to be present: . . . . to maintain unbroken fellowship with one . . . . to put forth constant influence upon one . . . . In the mystic phraseology of John, God is said menein in Christ, i.e. to dwell as it were within him, to be continually operative in him by his divine influence and energy, Jn. 14:10; Christians are said menein en to Theo to be rooted as it were in him, knit to him by the spirit they have received from him, t Jn. 2:6, 24, 27; 3:6; hence one is said menein in one . . . . (Joseph H. Thayer, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, p. 399).

Oikeo: “to dwell in . . . . trop. en tini to be fixed and operative in one’s soul: of sin, Rom. viii. 17 sq. 20; of the Holy Spirit, Rom. viii. [91, 11; 1 Cor. iii. 16″ (Ibid., p. 439).

Katoikeo: “1. intrans. to dwell, settle . . . . b. metaph, divine powers, influences, etc. are said katoikein en tini (dat. of pers.), or en to kardia tinos, to dwell in his soul, to pervade, prompt, govern it” (Ibid., p. 341).

Enoikeo: “to dwell in; in the N.T. with en tini, dat. of pers., in one, everywhere metaphorically, to dwell in one and influence him (for good) . . . .” (ibid., p. 217).

http://www.truthmagazine.com/the-indwelling-of-the-holy-spirit

The metaphorical uses of the words to "influence him, divine power, influence"

From the Greek word meno above, 1 Jn 2:6,24,27 have nothing to do with literal location but with influence.

1 Jn 4:16 'And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth (meno) in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.'

Does the Christian literally located in love? No, dwelleth-meno has to do with relationship with God. As Thayer said of meno " to maintain unbroken fellowship with one . "

Col 3:16 "Let the word of Christ dwell (enoikeo) in you..."

Again, dwell does not mean a literal location but influence (Thayer) dwells in you.



Gal 4:19 "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,"

Christ is formed in the Christian, again not literal location but formed means Christ's influence is in the Christian. "Until a mind and life in complete harmony with the mind and life of Christ is formed in you" - Thayer.

Rom 7:17 sin dwells in the Christian; faith dwells in the Christian, 1 Tim 1:5; truth dwells in the Christian, 2 Jn 2:2 and not one time does the word 'dwell' refer to literal location but is used metaphorically showing influence is what is in the Christian.

Eph 3:17 "That Christ may dwell (katoikeo) in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,"

Again, not literal location but dwells in the Christian heart by faith. Above definition, Thayer says of katoikeo is 'influence, governs'.

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Above I have shown how "sin", "faith", "truth", "love" and 'the word', 'God' and 'Christ' all dwell in the Christian but in none of the verses does "dwell" refer to literal geographical location but metaphorical dwelling, influence dwells in the Christians as Thayer points out. I can point out other verses that speak of some thing or some one dwelling in the Christian and the Christian dwelling in some thing or some one and the word "dwell" is used metaphorically every time and does not refer to literal location.

But when it comes to the bible saying the Holy Spirit dwells in the Christian many want to make "dwell" refer to literal location. Nothing in the bible would indicate the Holy Spirit dwells in the Christian any differently than sin, faith, love, the word, Christ or God which all dwell in the Christian...metaphorically.

The Holy Spirit dwells in the Christian the same way as all the above, metaphorically. The Holy Spirit dwelling in the Christian is showing the Spirits influencing, governing the Christian and has nothing to do with geographical, literal location.

 
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Well, if you are born of the Spirit - that Spirit dwells within you. 1 John 4:12-15 says He is IN us . . . because He has given us of His Spirit - that is how we are partakers of the divine nature. I think via the gift of holy Spirit - God in Christ "literally" dwell IN us

John 17:20,21 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me . . . . That is how we are part of the church; the body with Christ as the head. . . There is one body . . . [Eph. 4:4a]


Yep . . . v24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him and he in him . . . V23 And this is his commandment - That we believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another as he gave us commandment . .

I Literally love that little girl foto you have as an Avatar, peaceful -- not that she looks at peace!
 

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Not to mention...If the Spirit that raised up Jesus DWELLS IN YOU.......New Lightism is the heretical doctrine that states the Spirit of God does not dwell in a believer......and ultimately leads to (church) salvation...more heresy!
church salvation . . . hum
There must be thousands of churches needing salvation (many in slavation) like Laodicea.
 

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SeaBass did (non-literally speaking) go on. I am remembering a 3 Stooges movie where they had a radio that they couldn't get to turn off until they baptized it by total immersion.

But with all his saying this & that, I didn't notice any proof. Relationship & actually dwelling in the Christian's body are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Since the word says that the Spirit dwells in the Christian, and since there is this comparison with a Temple, I will stick with the image that scripture gives me, and not worry if it is figurative or not. The indwelling of the Christian is clearly an advance over the earlier "abiding with." And it is clear that the indwelling of the Spirit, makes the Christians' physical body (always having geographical locality) important & sacred. The indwelling guarantees the quickening of the mortal body.

Hey you singers,
Let's have a little tonsil exercise:

If the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead,
Dwell in you, dwell in you-oo;
If the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead,
Dwell in you, dwell in you.
He will quicken, your mortal body,
If the Spirit dwell in you;
If the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead,
Dwell in you, dwell in you.

Amazon.com: If The Same Spirit: Prince Ogbonna and His Abimo Praise Sound: MP3 Downloads

The above is not the version I am familiar with, but about all I could find/

Amazon.com: That Same Spirit (Live): Texas Bible College: MP3 Downloads

Here is another one that is not my style, but maybe yours.
 
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Now since the Christian's Body is a temple with a physical location, you reckon that when the Lord thus forbids fornicating with a prostitute that said fornication was figurative and had not geographical anatomical coordinates?
 

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The Lord has in his omnipotent hand, every Christian. But we also have Him, by His grace.

15:1 After these things the word of YHWH came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

I am not awfully interested in the opinion of those who have never been regenerated, indwelt, baptized, & sealed by the blessed Holy Spirit.

But those of us who trust the Savior (not works, not water) for salvation, have the blessed reality of God living in them. We are His Temple. Just as our own spirits dwell in our bodies, so the Spirit of God dwells in our bodies.


For who among men knows the things of a man, save
the spirit of the man, which is in him?
even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God. But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that werefreely given to us of God.

1 Cor 2
τίς γὰρ οἶδεν ἀνθρώπων τὰ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου εἰ μὴ τὸ πνεῦμα τοῦ ἀνθρώπου τὸ ἐν αὐτῷ; οὕτως καὶ τὰ τοῦ θεοῦ οὐδεὶς ἔγνωκεν εἰ μὴ τὸ πνεῦμα τοῦ θεοῦ. 12 ἡμεῖς δὲ οὐ τὸ πνεῦμα τοῦ κόσμου ἐλάβομεν ἀλλὰ τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ, ἵνα εἰδῶμεν τὰ ὑπὸ τοῦ θεοῦ χαρισθέντα ἡμῖν

τίς γὰρ οἶδεν = For who knows?
ἀνθρώπων = of men
τὰ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου = the things of a man
εἰ μὴ = except
τὸ πνεῦμα τοῦ ἀνθρώπου = the spirit of the man
τὸ ἐν αὐτῷ; = the in him

τὸ πνεῦμα τοῦ ἀνθρώπου τὸ ἐν αὐτῷ
= the spirit of the man

even so the things of God none knows, save the Spirit of God. But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God.

One of those things is salvation. But the one who trusts water/works does not know salvation, never having received God's Spirit -- yet that one may get on the internet to tell us who have the Spirit, just what it's all about!

The blessed Holy Spirit Himself is a great free gift for all who trust the Lord Jesus as Savior. And this Spirit bears witness with our spirits that we are sons of God. He has us, and we have Him -- by His grace.

We are sealed. Our connection to God is eternal unbreakable, incorruptible & undefilable -- it will never fade away. We can pause, turn attention to Him, and there He is! We sense His blessed presence. He dwells in us. This is the cause of great joy.

In a love that cannot cease,
I am His, and He is mine.
 
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2 Cor 6:16 "And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

God also dwells in this temple/church/Christian but nothing in the context demands that it be a literal, geographical dwelling.

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Solomon built a temple for God to dwell in but Solomon understood that God would not literally, geographically dwell in that temple:

1 Kings 8:27 "
But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?"

So if God's person did not literally, geographically dwell in that temple then what did?

1 Kings 8:29,30 "
That thine eyes may be open toward this house night and day, even toward the place of which thou hast said, My name shall be there: that thou mayest hearken unto the prayer which thy servant shall make toward this place."

From this passage God's eyes and name would dwell in this building. A place where God would hearken/hear His servants prayer.

1 Kings 9:3 "
And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually."

This passage shows God would hear, the place would be holy(hallowed) and His name, eyes and heart would be there perpetually.

Therefore God did not literally dwell in the temple but His presence, His name, His hearing and seeing, His heart is what dwelled inside.


In the NT the Christian is the temple of God and God's indwelling would be no different.

In Solomon's temple dwelt God's name as with the Christian, James 2:7
In Solomon's temple God heard as He hears the Christian, 1 Pet 3:12
In Solomon's temple are God's eyes as His eyes are over the Christian 1 Pet 3:12
Solomon's temple was hallowed as the Christian is holy, 1 Pet 2:5
In Solomon's temple dwelt God's heart as it is with the Christian, Jn 14:27


Therefore in both the OT temple and NT temple/Christian God's heart (care) His eyes and ears open (concern) His name (claim of ownership) is upon His people and none of this refers to a literal, geographical location. And the Holy Spirit's dwelling in the temple would be no different than God's. It would be just an arbitrary argument to say the Holy Spirit dwells in the temple differently from God. The dwelling of God, Christ and the Holy Spirit indicates relationship not geographical location.



 

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Let us note how SeaBass misunderstands the Spirit, as evidence by him getting into that topic, sort of off-topic in another thread:

In Acts 2:39 Peter said "for "THE promise" is unto you" "The promise" refers to the Abrahamic promise


Alice in Wonderland. The promise in context is not the Abrahamic Covenant. There are many promises in the Bible. Context determines meaning:

"ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For to you is the promise"

Now how can you restrict this to apostles?

In Acts 2:38 one must repent and be baptized THEN becomes a Christian THEN becomes an heir to 'the promise'.
Repent = change of mind to believing in Christ. Repent of trusting water & works & trust the Savior.

Baptism in context is Holy Spirit Baptism.

One cannot be an heir BEFORE he repents and is baptized becoming a Christian.
Heretical Balderdash!

Now you cannot be immersed in water before you are a believer. But if you can't be a believer until you are immersed, then you could never become a Christian! For once you believe, you are a believer -- and if you believe in Christ as your Savior, then you are convinced that He saves you. (Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.) Believing in Christ is trusting Him to save you, but if you cannot be saved until after dunked, then you cannot trust Him to save you until dunked. But if you cannot be dunked until you are a believer (& you have no right to believe until dunked), then it would be impossible to be a believer.

Problem: On your theory, no one can trust Christ as Savior until dunked, and at the same time, no one can be dunked until He trusts Christ as Savior.

Thus your system is impossible & nonsense.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved. In a multitude of passages, no baptism is mentioned, just BELIEVE (have faith). Such language as
whosoever believes, anyone who believes, & everyone who believes
RULES OUT ANY ESSENTIAL other hoop to jump through.

"the promise" is also unto "as many as the Lord our God shall call." The Lord calls by His gospel, 2 Thess 2:14 so


There it is folks, the famous/infamous SeaBass slick "so." Have you noticed how he is every sticking in so when the preceding does not prove the following at all? That Seabass Slick "So." What out for the SeaBass Slick So.

[/quote]anyone that answers the gospel call becoming a Christian then becomes an heir according to "the promise"[/quote]

See the SeaBass Slick So? He quoted a vs that implies that as many as the Lord calls get saved. Then he changes the call to an answer! A call is not an answer! This is called sophistry.

"The promise" has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit's miraculous gift.[
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That's what the SeaBass says (watch out for his hook). Repeating a lie does not prove a thing. That's what the SeaBass says. But I don't believe the SeaBass So.

I believe this:

"ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For to you is the promise"


 

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2 Cor 6:16 "And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."
God also dwells in this temple/church/Christian but nothing in the context demands that it be a literal, geographical dwelling.
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Solomon built a temple for God to dwell in but Solomon understood that God would not literally, geographically dwell in that temple:
1 Kings 8:27 "But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?"
But the temple is a physical object having geography, & the Shekinah Glory was there & visible there. And a pillar of fire moved between the Egyptians & Israel. Thus there was a geographical dwelling, nothwithstanding that the Lord is omnipresent in the universe. Geography & relationship are not mutually exclusive concepts. There is an advance from abiding with the apostles to indwelling all Christians with the change of dispensation.

One doesn't fornicate with a relationship. One fornicates with a body that has geography & anatomy.

When you actually trust Christ as your Savior and can then sense the indwelling Spirit, then tell us about it. Until then you are a blind man lecturing us on sight. Whatever figurative component there may be in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, we are given this truth from the Lord in those terms. And I shall look at it in the Biblical terms, giving no heed to any blind man.
 
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But the temple is a physical object having geography, & the Shekinah Glory was there & visible there. And a pillar of fire moved between the Egyptians & Israel. Thus there was a geographical dwelling, nothwithstanding that the Lord is omnipresent in the universe. Geography & relationship are not mutually exclusive concepts. There is an advance from abiding with the apostles to indwelling all Christians with the change of dispensation.

One doesn't fornicate with a relationship. One fornicates with a body that has geography & anatomy.

When you actually trust Christ as your Savior and can then sense the indwelling Spirit, then tell us about it. Until then you are a blind man lecturing us on sight. Whatever figurative component there may be in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, we are given this truth from the Lord in those terms. And I shall look at it in the Biblical terms, giving no heed to any blind man.

But God did not literally dwell in Solomon's temple even though it had a literal geographic location.. Just as in Exo chapters 26-29 Moses was instructed to build a tabernacle and God would dwell their among the Israelites but it was not where God literally dwelled, but His presence was there.


Exo 3:4 "And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."

Was God literally in the burning bush?

No, Ex 3:2 "
And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed."


The Spirit dwelling in the Christian is not something "sense" or "felt" but is an indwelling of the Holy Spirit's word.


Again, how many on this forum do you think would claim they have a literal indwelling of the Holy Spirit? And how many of them are contradicting each other all over? So is a literal indwelling of the Holy Spirit a spirit of contradiction?



 

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Does anyone believe the SeaBass just because he says things? I don't. I prefer God's Word.

Does this look literal to anyone?

And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and none was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels should be finished.

1 Kings 8

10 And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of Jehovah, 11 so that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud; for the glory of Jehovah filled the house of Jehovah.

2 Chron 5

13 it came to pass, when the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking Jehovah; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised Jehovah, saying, For he is good; for his lovingkindness endureth for ever; that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of Jehovah, 14 so that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of Jehovah filled the house of God. 6:1 Then spake Solomon, Jehovah hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness. 2 But I have built thee a house of habitation, and a place for thee to dwell in for ever.

You reckon if a man repents of trusting in his works & actually trusts Christ as Savior, he might understand these things better?
 
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Galatians2-20

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1 Jn 4;12-15:

Does God literally dwell in the Christian and the Christian literally dwell in God?


1 Jn 3:23,24:

Does Christ literally dwell in the Christian and does the Christian literally dwell in Christ?

Oh yes! In fact, our sanctification completely rests on our willingness to abide in Christ. It's unfortunate that many do not understand what it means to be "IN CHRIST". His Pressence is a dwelling place that we have access to through His Spirit who dwells in us. It is in His Presence that we experience the fruits of His Spirit, resulting in the manifestation of His Character both in and through us.