Is the meaning of "salvation" a deliverance?

[forsha]

I was for 12 years of diligent study and not understanding of the salvation scriptures. They seemed to contradict each other, such as, You are saved by grace and not of yourselves, and then, save yourselves from this untoward generation. and again, Paul says he saved himself and those that heard him. After I gave up on ever understanding the salvation scriptures, (denied myself) the Holy Spirit within me opened my understanding of the salvation scriptures where, now, they all harmonize.

 

[Jeff_56]

from all the posts about 'salvation' , it seems not very many if any have ever got past a hypothetical kind of greek thinking about 'as if' being saved from sin or eternal death....

this is still somewhat surprising, seeings as all the tv and media preachers are influencing more people than the honest teachers,
and very few venture to dig in and seek yahweh the only one true creator himself.... by faith in yahshua as yahweh permits.

e.w.bullinger and spurgeon and watchman nee (the most thorough and tested teachers in line more than others by and with and in yahweh's breathed word/ scripture) all go into great depth about what 'salvation' means and what it costs (very little understood today, or even pursued).....

as you said, it takes a long time , yes, a long time and grace from the creator to learn truth.....

 

[Joidevivre]

I have always believed that by faith salvation brought to me eternal security and grace given freely and the benefits of being "in Christ" which include His righteousness, etc.

However, I have NOT been saved from my flesh, which I must still daily choose to crucify it from motivating my behavior and instead walk in partnership with Jesus, allowing Him to be expressed through my actions. That is why we have received the Holy Spirit - to empower us to do just that. But we still have to choose.

It is not a difficult concept - I grasped this when I was very young.

 

[Elin]

I think it is made clear in Ro 5:9:

"Since we are justified (given right standing before God, guiltless) by his blood,
how much much more shall we be saved (delivered) from God's wrath through him!"

 

[Joidevivre]

Yes - we have been delivered from God's wrath. I also feel that I have been delivered from helplessness, knowing that I have the power of the Holy Spirit alive and active in me.

 

[oldthennew]

one point of salvation is the time when we are 'forgiven' from our 'past-sins' -
if we have 'one sin' against us, we are subject to the penalty of death.

but, Christ, through His sacrifice cleanses us from 'every sin that we have EVER commited'
ROMANS 3:25.
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness
for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

this is ONE meaning of Salvation - we have been forgiven EVERY SIN that was HELD
against us - (((PAST SINS)))
like it is written, "For IF, when we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son,
MUCH MORE, being RECONCILED, we SHALL be SAVED by His life."

but yet AGAIN, the scripture says, 'to those whose PAST SINS have been forgiven,
work-out your own salvation with trembling and fear.'

and again,
HEB.9:28.
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him
shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Here, the term 'salvation' is used for Christ's second appearing, and our putting OFF
this corruptible flesh and being resurrected into a Spiritual body - and then again -
1PETER 1:5.
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

the WORD, SALVATION, speaks of TWO DELIVERANCES - (one from PAST SINS, one from,
The Body of this death unto ETERNAL LIFE'

 

[dcontroversal]

To me it is simple.....I have trusted into the perfect faith of Christ which has saved me and justified me before God and I have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise which is the pre-payment of my inheritance as a born again child of God...It is my spirit that has been born again, does not sin and is eternally secure and sealed in Jesus....at the same time My ETERNALLY secure and saved, born again spirit is housed in a fallen, dead body of sin that like Jodievivre has pointed out must be crucified daily so as to allow the Spirit of God and the Word of God to come out and trump the dead body of sin.....Jesus said it best...the spirit is indeed willing, but the flesh is weak.....Do I fail the Lord in this weak body of flesh and sin...yes...daily in some form or fashion, yet like John states...when I sin if I confess the sin, he is faithful and just to forgive the sin and restore fellowship....

The problem I believe is found in the simple facts below...

1. Every place that salvation is used does not necessarily apply unto the salvation of the souls of men
2. Many take the word salvation and every time it is used and apply it unto the salvation of the soul

This leads to errors and false teaching!

 

[forsha]

I have always believed that by faith salvation brought to me eternal security and grace given freely and the benefits of being "in Christ" which include His righteousness, etc.

However, I have NOT been saved from my flesh, which I must still daily choose to crucify it from motivating my behavior and instead walk in partnership with Jesus, allowing Him to be expressed through my actions. That is why we have received the Holy Spirit - to empower us to do just that. But we still have to choose.

It is not a difficult concept - I grasped this when I was very young.

The carnal man will not, and indeed, can not choose to act upon spiritual things until he is first born of the Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14.

 

[Mitspa]

To me it is simple.....I have trusted into the perfect faith of Christ which has saved me and justified me before God and I have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise which is the pre-payment of my inheritance as a born again child of God...It is my spirit that has been born again, does not sin and is eternally secure and sealed in Jesus....at the same time My ETERNALLY secure and saved, born again spirit is housed in a fallen, dead body of sin that like Jodievivre has pointed out must be crucified daily so as to allow the Spirit of God and the Word of God to come out and trump the dead body of sin.....Jesus said it best...the spirit is indeed willing, but the flesh is weak.....Do I fail the Lord in this weak body of flesh and sin...yes...daily in some form or fashion, yet like John states...when I sin if I confess the sin, he is faithful and just to forgive the sin and restore fellowship....

The problem I believe is found in the simple facts below...

1. Every place that salvation is used does not necessarily apply unto the salvation of the souls of men
2. Many take the word salvation and every time it is used and apply it unto the salvation of the soul

This leads to errors and false teaching!

Good post brother and a basic word search on the term sozo or soteria would prove exactly what you are saying....when the Lord healed people ..often the same word for saved is used....etc..

 

[forsha]

I think it is made clear in Ro 5:9:

"Since we are justified (given right standing before God, guiltless) by his blood,
how much much more shall we be saved (delivered) from God's wrath through him!"

Yes, I think that you are right, we are saved (delivered) eternally by the grace of God without the help of man.

 

[forsha]

To me it is simple.....I have trusted into the perfect faith of Christ which has saved me and justified me before God and I have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise which is the pre-payment of my inheritance as a born again child of God...It is my spirit that has been born again, does not sin and is eternally secure and sealed in Jesus....at the same time My ETERNALLY secure and saved, born again spirit is housed in a fallen, dead body of sin that like Jodievivre has pointed out must be crucified daily so as to allow the Spirit of God and the Word of God to come out and trump the dead body of sin.....Jesus said it best...the spirit is indeed willing, but the flesh is weak.....Do I fail the Lord in this weak body of flesh and sin...yes...daily in some form or fashion, yet like John states...when I sin if I confess the sin, he is faithful and just to forgive the sin and restore fellowship....

The problem I believe is found in the simple facts below...

1. Every place that salvation is used does not necessarily apply unto the salvation of the souls of men
2. Many take the word salvation and every time it is used and apply it unto the salvation of the soul

This leads to errors and false teaching!

I agree with you on your statements here. Most of the salvation scriptures are referring to deliverances we receive here in this world.

 

[mailmandan]

The problem I believe is found in the simple facts below...

1. Every place that salvation is used does not necessarily apply unto the salvation of the souls of men
2. Many take the word salvation and every time it is used and apply it unto the salvation of the soul

This leads to errors and false teaching!

Amen! This is where we need to rightly divide the word of truth. People make the same mistake with the word "justified." They simply give it a broad brushed definition of "saved." In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith...

James 2:24 - You see that a man is justified by works..

Luke 7:29 - And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God..

Matthew 11:19 - Yet wisdom is justified by her deeds.

Giving the word "justified" a broad brushed definition of "saved" in all of these verses certainly leads to error.

 

[forsha]

one point of salvation is the time when we are 'forgiven' from our 'past-sins' -
if we have 'one sin' against us, we are subject to the penalty of death.

but, Christ, through His sacrifice cleanses us from 'every sin that we have EVER commited'
ROMANS 3:25.
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness
for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

this is ONE meaning of Salvation - we have been forgiven EVERY SIN that was HELD
against us - (((PAST SINS)))
like it is written, "For IF, when we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son,
MUCH MORE, being RECONCILED, we SHALL be SAVED by His life."

but yet AGAIN, the scripture says, 'to those whose PAST SINS have been forgiven,
work-out your own salvation with trembling and fear.'

and again,
HEB.9:28.
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him
shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Here, the term 'salvation' is used for Christ's second appearing, and our putting OFF
this corruptible flesh and being resurrected into a Spiritual body - and then again -
1PETER 1:5.
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

the WORD, SALVATION, speaks of TWO DELIVERANCES - (one from PAST SINS, one from,
The Body of this death unto ETERNAL LIFE'

Christ died for all of the sins of those that God gave him, past present and future sins, and because Jesus washed all of our sins away, God looks upon us as having no sin, as far as our eternal salvation is concerned. Christ died for the past sins of all of God's elect children that died before Christ came to do his Father's will. When Jesus died on the cross we who are alive had not been born of natural birth and had not committed any sin, so he died for our future sins.

 

[forsha]

Amen! This is where we need to rightly divide the word of truth. People make the same mistake with the word "justified." They simply give it a broad brushed definition of "saved." In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith...

James 2:24 - You see that a man is justified by works..

Luke 7:29 - And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God..

Matthew 11:19 - Yet wisdom is justified by her deeds.

Giving the word "justified" a broad brushed definition of "saved" in all of these verses certainly leads to error.

We are justified by the faithfulness of Jesus's obedience to God by dying on the cross for those that God gave him. (Gal 2:16).