Luke 3:1-3

[clarkthompson]

Luke 3:1-3 King James Version (KJV)3 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;


[h=1]Luke 3:1-3[/h]CLV [SUP]1[/SUP] Now in the fifteenth year of the government of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, yet Philip, his brother, being tetrarch of the province of Iturea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias being tetrarch of Abilene, 2 under Hannas and Caiaphas, the chief priests, came a declaration of God to John, the son of Zechariah, in the wilderness." [SUP]3[/SUP] And he came into the entire country about the Jordan, heralding a baptism of repentance for the pardon of sins,




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These are my thoughts, please share yours.



1 Today most of us have a calendar to tell what day it isbut at that time they based it by who on the throne and not actually day.



2 The priesthood was important but Christ is the HighPriest. God’s word a revelation was given; this shows his importance of themessage because at this time /god did not send His word because many wereagainst it.



3 This verse is not saying baptism saves but saying thosewho are saved will be baptized. Baptism is important but we are saved by faithin Him. Preaching is a calling but all are to share Christ by living a life forHim. The Jordanwas the big river in the area so it where John may have baptized those offaith. Being forgiven is why we can have eternal fellowship with the Lord; oursalvation is found in Christ not baptism.

 

[forsha]

Luke 3:1-3 King James Version (KJV)3 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;


Luke 3:1-3

CLV [SUP]1[/SUP] Now in the fifteenth year of the government of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, yet Philip, his brother, being tetrarch of the province of Iturea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias being tetrarch of Abilene, 2 under Hannas and Caiaphas, the chief priests, came a declaration of God to John, the son of Zechariah, in the wilderness." [SUP]3[/SUP] And he came into the entire country about the Jordan, heralding a baptism of repentance for the pardon of sins,







These are my thoughts, please share yours.



1 Today most of us have a calendar to tell what day it isbut at that time they based it by who on the throne and not actually day.



2 The priesthood was important but Christ is the HighPriest. God’s word a revelation was given; this shows his importance of themessage because at this time /god did not send His word because many wereagainst it.



3 This verse is not saying baptism saves but saying thosewho are saved will be baptized. Baptism is important but we are saved by faithin Him. Preaching is a calling but all are to share Christ by living a life forHim. The Jordanwas the big river in the area so it where John may have baptized those offaith. Being forgiven is why we can have eternal fellowship with the Lord; oursalvation is found in Christ not baptism.

Our faith is not what saves us eternally. Eph 2 says that we are saved through faith, and that not of ourselves, lest any man should boast. It is by the faithfulness of Jesus's obedience to the cross. Gal 2:16. Our faith comes as a fruit of the Spirit, Gal 5:22, so we don't have faith until we are born of the Spirit.

 

[KJV1611]

Our faith is not what saves us eternally. Eph 2 says that we are saved through faith, and that not of ourselves, lest any man should boast. It is by the faithfulness of Jesus's obedience to the cross. Gal 2:16. Our faith comes as a fruit of the Spirit, Gal 5:22, so we don't have faith until we are born of the Spirit.

I never thought about it like that... what's your opinion on Romans 4:3. Abraham had faith before he was saved.

Rom_4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

 

[p_rehbein]

(sound of corn popping..............)

 

[p_rehbein]

What Ephesians actually says:

Ephesians 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 .) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 .) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11 .) Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 .) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 .) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 .) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;


(makes a difference, well, to me anyway)

 

[kennethcadwell]

Threads like this will usually lead into a debate about works or no works, baptism or no baptism, and so on....
As people will continue to believe what they want and how they were taught. The only question I would pose to all instead of getting caught up in these kind of debates any more is this.

How can one say they have faith/belief in the Lord if they deny to do what He said ?

 

[p_rehbein]

Difference being......................salvation and sanctification....................

One is by grace THROUGH FAITH,.....the other through obedience and service...........

 

[forsha]

I never thought about it like that... what's your opinion on Romans 4:3. Abraham had faith before he was saved.

Rom_4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

I do not see the evidence in Rom 4:3 that points to the fact that Abraham was not saved eternally, quite to the contrary, I see evidence that Abraham was already born of the Spirit, due to the fact that he "believed". The natural man (carnal man) can not believe spiritual things unless he is first born of the Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14.

 

[p_rehbein]

I do not see the evidence in Rom 4:3 that points to the fact that Abraham was not saved eternally, quite to the contrary, I see evidence that Abraham was already born of the Spirit, due to the fact that he "believed". The natural man (carnal man) can not believe spiritual things unless he is first born of the Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14.

Please clarify: Are you saying that one can not believe Jesus is who He says He is UNLESS that man is FIRST born anew?

 

[forsha]

What Ephesians actually says:

Ephesians 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 .) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 .) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11 .) Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 .) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 .) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 .) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;


(makes a difference, well, to me anyway)

Eph 8:12 explains the condition of his elect by their natural birth. Eph 2:1-5 explains how his elect were changed from that condition, which was that God quickened us together with Christ.

 

[KJV1611]

Threads like this will usually lead into a debate about works or no works, baptism or no baptism, and so on....
As people will continue to believe what they want and how they were taught. The only question I would pose to all instead of getting caught up in these kind of debates any more is this.

How can one say they have faith/belief in the Lord if they deny to do what He said ?

You don't do what He said... do you have faith?

 

[p_rehbein]

uh,...........lemme try again; you said:

The natural man (carnal man) can not believe spiritual things unless he is first born of the Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14.

My question is: Are you saying that one MUST FIRST be born anew before they can believe in Jesus Christ?

 

[forsha]

Threads like this will usually lead into a debate about works or no works, baptism or no baptism, and so on....
As people will continue to believe what they want and how they were taught. The only question I would pose to all instead of getting caught up in these kind of debates any more is this.

How can one say they have faith/belief in the Lord if they deny to do what He said ?

I perceive that you are one of the elect by your interest of following God's commandments, but I can't see you following God's commandments all the time, only Christ could do that. Can you still say that you have faith in God when you are not following one of his commandments? Sure you can.

 

[KJV1611]

I do not see the evidence in Rom 4:3 that points to the fact that Abraham was not saved eternally, quite to the contrary, I see evidence that Abraham was already born of the Spirit, due to the fact that he "believed". The natural man (carnal man) can not believe spiritual things unless he is first born of the Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14.

I agree Abraham was saved eternally and yes he was born again because he believed. But he had to believe God to receive faith from God.

 

[kennethcadwell]

You don't do what He said... do you have faith?

If you don't do what He said then no your faith is not rooted in Him, and He makes this clear many of times in the gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. It amazes me that even though our Lord has said many of times over and over again that those who believe in Him will do as He says. Then we see those who call themselves our brothers and sisters in Christ walking contrary to this, and telling others you don't have to obey His teachings. That is completely unbiblical teaching to do that.

Luke 6:46-47
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them


Matthew 28:19-20
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.


Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[forsha]

Difference being......................salvation and sanctification....................

One is by grace THROUGH FAITH,.....the other through obedience and service...........

Salvation and sanctification are one in the same and both took place on the cross. Obedience and service does not sanctify us. Gal 2:21, I do not frustrate the grace of God; for if righteousness come by the law (obedience and service), then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[p_rehbein]

Salvation and sanctification are one in the same and both took place on the cross. Obedience and service does not sanctify us. Gal 2:21, I do not frustrate the grace of God; for if righteousness come by the law (obedience and service), then Christ is dead in vain.

Ok, now I know where you are coming from.............as you do not understand the difference.................I can end any discussions with you..............thanks..............

 

[kennethcadwell]

I perceive that you are one of the elect by your interest of following God's commandments, but I can't see you following God's commandments all the time, only Christ could do that. Can you still say that you have faith in God when you are not following one of his commandments? Sure you can.

This is why the Lord sent us the Holy Spirit, to help to keep us walking the proper path.
The problem is that people have been teaching a false gospel that abstaining from sin to where it no longer controls your life is still impossible to do, which would be taking away from God's ability to work in you with His Holy Spirit. The bible only says that us alone can not achieve that, but with God's Holy Spirit all things are possible.

Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Mark 10:27
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Luke 18:27
And He said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

 

[forsha]

Please clarify: Are you saying that one can not believe Jesus is who He says He is UNLESS that man is FIRST born anew?

Yes indeed, I believe that is what 1 Cor 2:14 says in very plain language.

 

[p_rehbein]

Yes indeed, I believe that is what 1 Cor 2:14 says in very plain language.

sigh..............that's really sad...............anyway............end of discussion for me.............all the best, and mayhaps the indwelling Holy Spirit will reveal scriptural truth to you one day..............