Is Christianity Polytheism or Monotheism

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May 21, 2014
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In past few days folks have been debating over doctrines, denominations, scriptures meanings, or false religion. I believe I cannot judge a fellow Christian in his or her faith, belief, or journey with ABBA because that is between ABBA and that person.
How can I say to a elderly person who has been walking with ABBA for last fifty years of her life that she is not saved or her belief is wrong. Christians must learn how to be knowledgable, respectful, understand and respond in an intellectual manner in different beliefs. Main debating is on the Trinity(Godhead)or three persons because there is confusion on this topic.

Terminology: Christianity


  1. Christianity (from the Ancient Greek word Χριστός, Christos, a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ, Māšîăḥ, meaning "the anointed one", together with the Latin suffixes -ian and -itas) is an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and oral teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament.

    Terminology: Monotheism
    1. "Monotheism" is defined by the Encyclopædia Britannica as belief in the existence of one god or in the oneness of God. The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church gives a more restricted definition: "belief in one personal and transcendent God", as opposed to polytheism and pantheism.

      the belief that there is only one God

      [h=2]monotheism[/h] noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
      Belief in the existence of one god. It is distinguished frompolytheism. The earliest known instance of monotheism dates to the reign of Akhenaton of Egypt in the 14th century BC. Monotheism is characteristic of Judaism, Christianity, andIslam, all of which view God as the creator of the world, who oversees and intervenes in human events, and as a beneficent and holy being, the source of the highest good. The monotheism that characterizes Judaism began in ancient Israel with the adoption of Yahweh as the single object of worship and the rejection of the gods of other tribes and nations without, initially, denying their existence. Islam is clear in confessing one, eternal, unbegotten, unequaled God, while Christianity holds that a single God is reflected in the three persons of the Holy Trinity.

      Oxford Biblical Studies states the following on monotheism below:


      [h=1]monotheism[/h]The belief in a single God, or a religion affirming that belief, as opposed to polytheism, belief in many deities. There does not seem to be a time when Israelite worship was officially, as portrayed in the sources, other than monotheistic, though historically it may have evolved out of henotheismsuch as was typical in the area. The 9th‐cent. Moabite Stone refers to the national god Chemoshwithout denying the existence of other divinities. The Hebrews worshipped Yahweh as their national god and there are OT allusions to other nations' gods which imply a belief in their existence, alongside Israel's Yahweh. Such gods, it was held, were worshipped legitimately in their own country (1 Sam. 26: 19). Now and then undisguised polytheism crept in by the monarch's back door, as when Yahweh was allocated a female consort (1 Kgs. 11: 5), and opposite the Temple were built shrines to Kemosh and Milcom. The prophets were zealous in opposition and in the 7th cent. BCE these shrines were demolished by Josiah. In Deuteronomy, monotheism was linked to strong ethical demands (Deut. 6: 4) and after the Exile there was no looking back: Second Isaiah (Deutero‐Isaiah) accepts that Yahweh is responsible for both good and evil (Isa. 45: 7). He can ridicule polytheism without serious comprehension of it but also without any expectation of being contradicted. Nevertheless, even when belief in the one God was fundamental, there remained traces of recognition of subordinate deities (Job 1–2) and the existence of angels and of Satan was also assumed.
      Monotheism continues to be taken for granted in the NT (Mark 12: 29; 1 Cor. 8: 6), together with the existence of subordinate angels (Heb. 1: 4), and polytheism was blamed for the horrors of immorality (Rom. 1: 24–31). But trouble was imminent when Christians found themselves giving worship to Jesus. Jewish opponents accused them of abandoning monotheism. The Christian answer, after agonizing speculations and deviations, eventually issued in the doctrine of the Trinity.

      Terminology: Polytheism


      1. It is interesting to note that even inpolytheistic religions, one god usually reigns supreme over the other gods, e.g., Zeus in Greek/Roman mythology and Brahman in Hinduism. Some argue that the Bible teachespolytheism in the Old Testament.

        : the belief that there is more than one god
        [h=2]polytheism[/h] noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
        Belief in many gods. Though Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are monotheistic (see monotheism), most other religions throughout history have been polytheistic. The numerous gods may be dominated by a supreme god or by a small group of powerful gods. The gods originated as abstractions of the forces of nature such as the sky or the sea and of human and social functions such as love, war, marriage, or the arts. In many religions the sky god is powerful and all-knowing (e.g., Dievs), and the earth goddess is maternal and associated with fertility. Gods of death and the underworld (e.g., Osiris and Hel) are also important. In addition to many gods, polytheistic religions generally also include malevolent or benevolent spiritual forces or powers. See also god and goddess.

        Is trinity monotheism or polytheism because it cannot be both? The word Godhead has many meanings:


        elohim: God, god
        Original Word: אֱלֹהִים
        Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
        Transliteration: elohim
        Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem')
        Short Definition: God


        theos: God, a god
        Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
        Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
        Transliteration: theos
        Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
        Short Definition: God, a god
        Definition: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.


        Listen Listen I found this very odd to me that the Mormon church says godhood!!

        [h=2]Definition of GODHOOD[/h]
        : divinity

        Definition of GODHOOD. : divinity.


        I am going to be obey ABBA because ABBA is YAHWEH to me and I will not longer debate on Trinity because I know the TRUTH!










 

JaumeJ

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More than once in the OT Yahweh, God, declared "I am your King, and I am you Salvation." He gave us His Only Begotten Son, pivitol word here is Begotten. His Word is instlled in all who accept the Sacrifice of His Only Son by way of the Holy Spirit, for no creature is given to resolve any of the truth from God by himself.

With the above in mind, and knowing God is One, we should now understand if in the Holy Spirit that there is One God, He is a mystery, and anyone who understands this mystery completely has not bee given to share this. I believe it will be revealed come the Kingdome. Before then, we leave it to faith that He is One.

If this is not enough please read the prophecy in Isaiah where we are foretold of the Child to be born to a virgin. He is to be called Wonderful, Counselor, Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Prince of Peace. If this does not underscore that they are One, yet a mystery, the Holy Spirit is not giving understanding Wait on the Lord, and you will understand to wait for the revealing of this glorious mystery, God Almighty, amen.

Isaiah 9:6
 
May 2, 2014
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In past few days folks have been debating over doctrines, denominations, scriptures meanings, or false religion. I believe I cannot judge a fellow Christian in his or her faith, belief, or journey with ABBA because that is between ABBA and that person.
How can I say to a elderly person who has been walking with ABBA for last fifty years of her life that she is not saved or her belief is wrong. Christians must learn how to be knowledgable, respectful, understand and respond in an intellectual manner in different beliefs. Main debating is on the Trinity(Godhead)or three persons because there is confusion on this topic.

Terminology: Christianity


  1. Christianity (from the Ancient Greek word Χριστός, Christos, a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ, Māšîăḥ, meaning "the anointed one", together with the Latin suffixes -ian and -itas) is an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and oral teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament.

    Terminology: Monotheism
    1. "Monotheism" is defined by the Encyclopædia Britannica as belief in the existence of one god or in the oneness of God. The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church gives a more restricted definition: "belief in one personal and transcendent God", as opposed to polytheism and pantheism.

      the belief that there is only one God

      monotheism

      noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
      Belief in the existence of one god. It is distinguished frompolytheism. The earliest known instance of monotheism dates to the reign of Akhenaton of Egypt in the 14th century BC. Monotheism is characteristic of Judaism, Christianity, andIslam, all of which view God as the creator of the world, who oversees and intervenes in human events, and as a beneficent and holy being, the source of the highest good. The monotheism that characterizes Judaism began in ancient Israel with the adoption of Yahweh as the single object of worship and the rejection of the gods of other tribes and nations without, initially, denying their existence. Islam is clear in confessing one, eternal, unbegotten, unequaled God, while Christianity holds that a single God is reflected in the three persons of the Holy Trinity.

      Oxford Biblical Studies states the following on monotheism below:


      monotheism

      The belief in a single God, or a religion affirming that belief, as opposed to polytheism, belief in many deities. There does not seem to be a time when Israelite worship was officially, as portrayed in the sources, other than monotheistic, though historically it may have evolved out of henotheismsuch as was typical in the area. The 9th‐cent. Moabite Stone refers to the national god Chemoshwithout denying the existence of other divinities. The Hebrews worshipped Yahweh as their national god and there are OT allusions to other nations' gods which imply a belief in their existence, alongside Israel's Yahweh. Such gods, it was held, were worshipped legitimately in their own country (1 Sam. 26: 19). Now and then undisguised polytheism crept in by the monarch's back door, as when Yahweh was allocated a female consort (1 Kgs. 11: 5), and opposite the Temple were built shrines to Kemosh and Milcom. The prophets were zealous in opposition and in the 7th cent. BCE these shrines were demolished by Josiah. In Deuteronomy, monotheism was linked to strong ethical demands (Deut. 6: 4) and after the Exile there was no looking back: Second Isaiah (Deutero‐Isaiah) accepts that Yahweh is responsible for both good and evil (Isa. 45: 7). He can ridicule polytheism without serious comprehension of it but also without any expectation of being contradicted. Nevertheless, even when belief in the one God was fundamental, there remained traces of recognition of subordinate deities (Job 1–2) and the existence of angels and of Satan was also assumed.
      Monotheism continues to be taken for granted in the NT (Mark 12: 29; 1 Cor. 8: 6), together with the existence of subordinate angels (Heb. 1: 4), and polytheism was blamed for the horrors of immorality (Rom. 1: 24–31). But trouble was imminent when Christians found themselves giving worship to Jesus. Jewish opponents accused them of abandoning monotheism. The Christian answer, after agonizing speculations and deviations, eventually issued in the doctrine of the Trinity.

      Terminology: Polytheism
      1. It is interesting to note that even inpolytheistic religions, one god usually reigns supreme over the other gods, e.g., Zeus in Greek/Roman mythology and Brahman in Hinduism. Some argue that the Bible teachespolytheism in the Old Testament.

        : the belief that there is more than one god
        polytheism

        noun (Concise Encyclopedia)

        Belief in many gods. Though Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are monotheistic (see monotheism), most other religions throughout history have been polytheistic. The numerous gods may be dominated by a supreme god or by a small group of powerful gods. The gods originated as abstractions of the forces of nature such as the sky or the sea and of human and social functions such as love, war, marriage, or the arts. In many religions the sky god is powerful and all-knowing (e.g., Dievs), and the earth goddess is maternal and associated with fertility. Gods of death and the underworld (e.g., Osiris and Hel) are also important. In addition to many gods, polytheistic religions generally also include malevolent or benevolent spiritual forces or powers. See also god and goddess.

        Is trinity monotheism or polytheism because it cannot be both? The word Godhead has many meanings:


        elohim: God, god
        Original Word: אֱלֹהִים
        Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
        Transliteration: elohim
        Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem')
        Short Definition: God


        theos: God, a god
        Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
        Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
        Transliteration: theos
        Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
        Short Definition: God, a god
        Definition: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.


        Listen Listen I found this very odd to me that the Mormon church says godhood!!

        Definition of GODHOOD


        : divinity

        Definition of GODHOOD. : divinity.


        I am going to be obey ABBA because ABBA is YAHWEH to me and I will not longer debate on Trinity because I know the TRUTH!









]There's quite a bit of confusion about the Trinity because many try to force the ideas of men onto the Scriptures. Many claim there is one God and "He" consists of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. That is a logical contradiction and not what was taught in the beginning of the Christian faith. That idea didn't enter into the faith until several hundred years after Jesus and the apostles preached. What was taught in the beginning is just what Paul said,

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (1Co 8:6 KJV)

This is what Christians believed in the beginning and it's what I believe, there is one God the Father.
 
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By being painfully honest, we must concede that the Catholic style explanation of Trinity is a subtle form of polytheism. It doesn't matter if it is vehemently claimed it is not, the description itself proves that it is. the silly word games are childish.
Not unlike Islam who claims it is a religion of peace. The actual teachings Islam is based on by that idiot Muhammad, prove that it is not a religion of peace. So likewise let the Catholic-types claim all they want that Trinity doctrine is not polytheistic.

The Son of God was literally begotten as evidenced by Mary's pregnancy. He was the Word made flesh. The Son did not exist as a separate person next to the Father's person in heaven before he was conceived in Mary's womb. The Word, however, which Jesus was a manifestation of in the flesh, ALWAYS existed. Hence Jesus was God manifested in the flesh.
This is a great mystery and must be accepted on its own terms. Trinity doctrine is polytheistic and refuses to accept the mystery on its own terms.
 
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Avoice,

I agree that the modern understanding of the Trinity is either polytheism or a logical contradiction, however, The original teaching of the Trinity is not. It aligns nicely with Scripture and presents no theological problems. Regarding the Son, the Scriptures do speak of the Son Being begotten before creation.

7 I declare concerning a statute: Jehovah said unto me, 'My Son Thou art, I to-day have brought thee forth. (Psa 2:7 YLT)

Literally, the passage say, 'I am declaring', it's in the present tense. he is declaring something that had been previously said, 'thou are my Son.'
 
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.................................................... Christians must learn how to be knowledgable, respectful, understand and respond in an intellectual manner in different beliefs............................




Where did you get that? My bible nowhere tells me to be respectful to false religions.
If you want to reach someone, you must do it thru the word. If they believe the bible is God's word, use it. It has everything you will ever need. This nonsense with trying to categorize God is silly. He is all.
 
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Where did you get that? My bible nowhere tells me to be respectful to false religions.
If you want to reach someone, you must do it thru the word. If they believe the bible is God's word, use it. It has everything you will ever need. This nonsense with trying to categorize God is silly. He is all.
Respect others because I do not read in the Sacred Word where JESUS was disrespectful towards others. So find me those scriptures about being RUDE when sharing Gospel/Good News. You have a beautiful bless victorious joyful day . ABBA is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient.
 
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What matters is that you worship Yahweh as He has revealed Himself...Triune....then you are saved.
 
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In past few days folks have been debating over doctrines, denominations, scriptures meanings, or false religion. I believe I cannot judge a fellow Christian in his or her faith, belief, or journey with ABBA because that is between ABBA and that person.
How can I say to a elderly person who has been walking with ABBA for last fifty years of her life that she is not saved or her belief is wrong. Christians must learn how to be knowledgable, respectful, understand and respond in an intellectual manner in different beliefs. Main debating is on the Trinity(Godhead)or three persons because there is confusion on this topic.

Terminology: Christianity


  1. Christianity (from the Ancient Greek word Χριστός, Christos, a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ, Māšîăḥ, meaning "the anointed one", together with the Latin suffixes -ian and -itas) is an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and oral teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament.

    Terminology: Monotheism
    1. "Monotheism" is defined by the Encyclopædia Britannica as belief in the existence of one god or in the oneness of God. The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church gives a more restricted definition: "belief in one personal and transcendent God", as opposed to polytheism and pantheism.

      the belief that there is only one God

      monotheism

      noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
      Belief in the existence of one god. It is distinguished frompolytheism. The earliest known instance of monotheism dates to the reign of Akhenaton of Egypt in the 14th century BC. Monotheism is characteristic of Judaism, Christianity, andIslam, all of which view God as the creator of the world, who oversees and intervenes in human events, and as a beneficent and holy being, the source of the highest good. The monotheism that characterizes Judaism began in ancient Israel with the adoption of Yahweh as the single object of worship and the rejection of the gods of other tribes and nations without, initially, denying their existence. Islam is clear in confessing one, eternal, unbegotten, unequaled God, while Christianity holds that a single God is reflected in the three persons of the Holy Trinity.

      Oxford Biblical Studies states the following on monotheism below:


      monotheism

      The belief in a single God, or a religion affirming that belief, as opposed to polytheism, belief in many deities. There does not seem to be a time when Israelite worship was officially, as portrayed in the sources, other than monotheistic, though historically it may have evolved out of henotheismsuch as was typical in the area. The 9th‐cent. Moabite Stone refers to the national god Chemoshwithout denying the existence of other divinities. The Hebrews worshipped Yahweh as their national god and there are OT allusions to other nations' gods which imply a belief in their existence, alongside Israel's Yahweh. Such gods, it was held, were worshipped legitimately in their own country (1 Sam. 26: 19). Now and then undisguised polytheism crept in by the monarch's back door, as when Yahweh was allocated a female consort (1 Kgs. 11: 5), and opposite the Temple were built shrines to Kemosh and Milcom. The prophets were zealous in opposition and in the 7th cent. BCE these shrines were demolished by Josiah. In Deuteronomy, monotheism was linked to strong ethical demands (Deut. 6: 4) and after the Exile there was no looking back: Second Isaiah (Deutero‐Isaiah) accepts that Yahweh is responsible for both good and evil (Isa. 45: 7). He can ridicule polytheism without serious comprehension of it but also without any expectation of being contradicted. Nevertheless, even when belief in the one God was fundamental, there remained traces of recognition of subordinate deities (Job 1–2) and the existence of angels and of Satan was also assumed.
      Monotheism continues to be taken for granted in the NT (Mark 12: 29; 1 Cor. 8: 6), together with the existence of subordinate angels (Heb. 1: 4), and polytheism was blamed for the horrors of immorality (Rom. 1: 24–31). But trouble was imminent when Christians found themselves giving worship to Jesus. Jewish opponents accused them of abandoning monotheism. The Christian answer, after agonizing speculations and deviations, eventually issued in the doctrine of the Trinity.

      Terminology: Polytheism
      1. It is interesting to note that even inpolytheistic religions, one god usually reigns supreme over the other gods, e.g., Zeus in Greek/Roman mythology and Brahman in Hinduism. Some argue that the Bible teachespolytheism in the Old Testament.

        : the belief that there is more than one god
        polytheism

        noun (Concise Encyclopedia)

        Belief in many gods. Though Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are monotheistic (see monotheism), most other religions throughout history have been polytheistic. The numerous gods may be dominated by a supreme god or by a small group of powerful gods. The gods originated as abstractions of the forces of nature such as the sky or the sea and of human and social functions such as love, war, marriage, or the arts. In many religions the sky god is powerful and all-knowing (e.g., Dievs), and the earth goddess is maternal and associated with fertility. Gods of death and the underworld (e.g., Osiris and Hel) are also important. In addition to many gods, polytheistic religions generally also include malevolent or benevolent spiritual forces or powers. See also god and goddess.

        Is trinity monotheism or polytheism because it cannot be both? The word Godhead has many meanings:


        elohim: God, god
        Original Word: אֱלֹהִים
        Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
        Transliteration: elohim
        Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem')
        Short Definition: God


        theos: God, a god
        Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
        Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
        Transliteration: theos
        Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
        Short Definition: God, a god
        Definition: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.


        Listen Listen I found this very odd to me that the Mormon church says godhood!!

        Definition of GODHOOD


        : divinity

        Definition of GODHOOD. : divinity.


        I am going to be obey ABBA because ABBA is YAHWEH to me and I will not longer debate on Trinity because I know the TRUTH!









God has a stern side of Him, and a soft side of Him as well; but when you combine these two together, the two sides make Christ.

Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
 
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AVoice

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Avoice,

I agree that the modern understanding of the Trinity is either polytheism or a logical contradiction, however, The original teaching of the Trinity is not. It aligns nicely with Scripture and presents no theological problems. Regarding the Son, the Scriptures do speak of the Son Being begotten before creation.

7 I declare concerning a statute: Jehovah said unto me, 'My Son Thou art, I to-day have brought thee forth. (Psa 2:7 YLT)

Literally, the passage say, 'I am declaring', it's in the present tense. he is declaring something that had been previously said, 'thou are my Son.'
That is a prophetic section of scripture. If we are to apply prophetic sections as if they already happened then "...why hast thou forsaken me?" can also be asserted as something that happened in the past to "the Son" in heaven.
You are simply taking out of the greater correct context. So answer this objection or stop claiming Psalms 2 was spoken in heaven to a pre existing "Son".
What you are saying is true, is exactly part of what makes "trinity doctrine" polytheistic.

"Oh, but Trinity is not polytheistic."
"Oh, but Islam is not a violent religion."

The begetting in John 3:16, for example, is EXCLUSIVELY the literal biological begetting that it appears to be at its face value.
Please stop pushing the polytheism of "trinity".
 
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Would a rose by any other name smell as sweet? I believe that we are to follow God's word and ignore man-made labels.
 
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When God said let US make man in our image and in our likeness he breathed into Adam the breath of life....

The word LIFE is plural in Hebrew.....

Hebrew has...

1. Singular=1
2. Dual=pairs or two
3. Plural=three or more

God breathed into Adam the breath of lives (plural)

Intellectual life
Physical Life
Spiritual Life

The bible also teaches that Jesus is the creator, created all things for himself and is the physical ICON of the invisible Heavenly Father....The Bible also teaches that the Holy Spirit is God as found when the tow lied unto GOD I.E. the Holy Spirit and dropped dead in Acts by keeping back some of the money they made on the land deal...

Take this as you will.....There is ONE GOD just like there is ONE YOU and ONE ME...YET...we are realized by and seen and comprehended in the following matter....I have a Physical representation my BODY, I have a Spiritual representation as in that which has been born of God and I have an intellectual representation as in my mind.....ALL three collectively and individually equal ME!
 

posthuman

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it seems crazy to me that people who readily admit that they are only humans, and that a divine exists whose ways and nature are infinitely higher than that of mere mortal intellect, can at the same time be so insistent that they fully understand the nature of God.

He gave us scripture that reveals of Him. in it He quite plainly says He is God and there is no other. He did an almost completely unfathomable thing, sending His "Son" to earth in the form of a mortal man, and that instantiation of Him affirmed to us that He and the God who said there is no other God are one.

that's all i need to know. there is one God. Christ is God and Christ is sent from God and returned to God and will return again to us to take us to the Father.
i'm not put out or shaken in my faith if it is a mystery that in my low estate i can't fully comprehend.
 

breno785au

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it seems crazy to me that people who readily admit that they are only humans, and that a divine exists whose ways and nature are infinitely higher than that of mere mortal intellect, can at the same time be so insistent that they fully understand the nature of God.

He gave us scripture that reveals of Him. in it He quite plainly says He is God and there is no other. He did an almost completely unfathomable thing, sending His "Son" to earth in the form of a mortal man, and that instantiation of Him affirmed to us that He and the God who said there is no other God are one.

that's all i need to know. there is one God. Christ is God and Christ is sent from God and returned to God and will return again to us to take us to the Father.
i'm not put out or shaken in my faith if it is a mystery that in my low estate i can't fully comprehend.
That's kinda what happens when we try to apply human logic to spiritual things, they just don't mix :) Faith tells me they are one, my spirit understands this.
 
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oldernotwiser

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Where did you get that? My bible nowhere tells me to be respectful to false religions.
If you want to reach someone, you must do it thru the word. If they believe the bible is God's word, use it. It has everything you will ever need. This nonsense with trying to categorize God is silly. He is all.[/QUOE]




it's not my bible that tells me to be polite, it's common sense. if i start of rude or confrontational then it's unlikely that the person will hear anything else i have to say. again, "preach the gospel at all times, when necessary, use words."
 

posthuman

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it's not my bible that tells me to be polite, it's common sense. if i start of rude or confrontational then it's unlikely that the person will hear anything else i have to say. again, "preach the gospel at all times, when necessary, use words."
i need to learn to fight against wrong ideas and lies, not people, too.
thanks :)
 
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Kerry

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So this is a trinity thread. God in three persons the blessed trinity. So Jesus was born of a virgin who was his father? Rather who did Jesus pray to? then He said when I leave I will send the Comforter. Jesus ascended to sit at the right hand of the Father till His enemies are made His footstool. So who is here now? The Holy Spirit. The three act as one unit and Paul would say the God head. You yourself are three different persons. Iknow this is deep for most folks. But, You have a mind, a body, and a spirit. Three in one created in the image of God. Your body (flesh) wars with with your mind on whom to serve. God our yourself. The cross breaks this bondage of self servantitude and if our faith waivers from the cross to what we do then the flesh takes over and we sin. That's it with out writing a 3,000 page book.
 

crossnote

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Respect others because I do not read in the Sacred Word where JESUS was disrespectful towards others. So find me those scriptures about being RUDE when sharing Gospel/Good News.
Better keep reading...

And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
(Luk 13:32)

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
(Mat 23:13-17)

...well, you get the picture.
 
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That is a prophetic section of scripture. If we are to apply prophetic sections as if they already happened then "...why hast thou forsaken me?" can also be asserted as something that happened in the past to "the Son" in heaven.
You are simply taking out of the greater correct context. So answer this objection or stop claiming Psalms 2 was spoken in heaven to a pre existing "Son".
What you are saying is true, is exactly part of what makes "trinity doctrine" polytheistic.

"Oh, but Trinity is not polytheistic."
"Oh, but Islam is not a violent religion."

The begetting in John 3:16, for example, is EXCLUSIVELY the literal biological begetting that it appears to be at its face value.
Please stop pushing the polytheism of "trinity".
Firstly, I don't push the polytheistic Trinity. Secondly look at the verb tenses in Psalm 2 David, speaking the words of the Lord in the present tense says, 'I am declaring, the Lord has said to me.' What was said, was said prior to the present tense 'I am declaring'. This aligns with the teaching of the Christian church from the beginning.The apostle John is the one who tells us of Christ's existence before creation. Ignatius a disciple of the apostle John also said that Christ was begotten before all worlds.

The cross of Christ is indeed a stumbling-block to those that do not believe, but to the believing it is salvation and life eternal. “Where is the wise man? where the disputer?” Where is the boasting of those who are called mighty? For the Son of God, who was begotten before time began, and established all things according to the will of the Father, He was conceived in the womb of Mary, according to the appointment of God, of the seed of David, and by the Holy Ghost. For says [the Scripture], “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and He shall be called Immanuel.” He was born and was baptized by John, that He might ratify the institution committed to that prophet
Early Church Fathers - – Ante-Nicene Fathers: The Writings of the Fathers Down To A.D. 325.


Solomon too acknowledges the Son of God before the incarnation.

KJV Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? (Pro 30:4 KJV)

Daniel also,

KJV Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. (Dan 3:25 KJV)

Both of these passages were written before the incarnation