Christ Our Salvation & Sanctification!

[Galatians2-20]

Because a man can do nothing to save himself through self effort, both justification and sanctification rest firmly on one's position in Christ (Union With Christ):

"But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.." ~ 1 Corinthians 1: 30

Christ, Himself, is both our justification (salvation) and our sanctification (the abililty to live a holy life). He is our source of righteousness alone. It is impossible to possess salvation or sanctification without abiding in Christ and He in us. We are both justified and sanctified through walking (abiding) in true, biblical faith IN CHRIST.

If you are currently walking in sin (the flesh), you are not walking in biblical faith because the faith that justifies (saves) is the same faith that sanctifies, producing holiness and Godly character:

"So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh." ~ Galatians 5:16

"No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed (Spirit) remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God." ~ 1 John 3:9

"No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him." ~ 1 John 3:6

However, there is good news for those who fall short, for: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." ~ 1 John 1:9

Today can be the day of your deliverance from that which binds you. Both your salvation and your freedom (sanctifiation) rests entirely on your willingness to walk hand in hand, minute by minute, with our Savior, Jesus Christ. That indwelling Spirit of Christ which saves you is the same Spirit that can set you free (sanctify you). Both salvation and sanctification are a pakage deal and you can not truly possess one without walking in the other by faith. Today is YOUR day:

" For he says, "In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you." I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation. " ~ 2 Corinthians 6:2

Thank you Jesus for purchasing our freedom by giving your life for us! I gladly lay down this life that You have given me, in order to enjoy the freedom that can only be found by dwelling day by day in your Presence! Amen!

 

[Hizikyah]

Isayah 53, "But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and Yahweh has laid on Him the iniquity of us all."

Hebrews 12:3-11, "For consider Him Who endured such opposition against Himself from sinners, so that you would not become weary, and faint in your minds. You yourselves have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as unto sons: My son, do not despise the chastening of Yahweh, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom Yahweh loves, He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives. If you endure chastening, Yahweh deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all are partakers, then you are bastards and not sons. Furthermore, we have had fleshly fathers who corrected us, and we gave them reverence; should we not even more be subject to Father Yahweh, and live? For they truly chastened us for a few days as they thought best; but He, for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful at the present time, but grievous; nevertheless, afterward it produces the peaceable fruit of righteousness, that is, for those who have been trained by it"

John 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd (4166. poimén)."

John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

John 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from Yahweh, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

John 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John (Yahchanan) 15:5,13,14 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit... Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers.You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

 

[dcontroversal]

Because a man can do nothing to save himself through self effort, both justification and sanctification rest firmly on one's position in Christ (Union With Christ):

"But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.." ~ 1 Corinthians 1: 30

Christ, Himself, is both our justification (salvation) and our sanctification (the abililty to live a holy life). He is our source of righteousness alone. It is impossible to possess salvation or sanctification without abiding in Christ and He in us. We are both justified and sanctified through walking (abiding) in true, biblical faith IN CHRIST.

If you are currently walking in sin (the flesh), you are not walking in biblical faith because the faith that justifies (saves) is the same faith that sanctifies, producing holiness and Godly character:

"So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh." ~ Galatians 5:16

"No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed (Spirit) remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God." ~ 1 John 3:9

"No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him." ~ 1 John 3:6

However, there is good news for those who fall short, for: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." ~ 1 John 1:9

Today can be the day of your deliverance from that which binds you. Both your salvation and your freedom (sanctifiation) rests entirely on your willingness to walk hand in hand, minute by minute, with our Savior, Jesus Christ. That indwelling Spirit of Christ which saves you is the same Spirit that can set you free (sanctify you). Both salvation and sanctification are a pakage deal and you can not truly possess one without walking in the other by faith. Today is YOUR day:

" For he says, "In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you." I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation. " ~ 2 Corinthians 6:2

Thank you Jesus for purchasing our freedom by giving your life for us! I gladly lay down this life that You have given me, in order to enjoy the freedom that can only be found by dwelling day by day in your Presence! Amen!

Like it states iv verse 16-21....saved and justified by the faith OF Christ....the word of can be translated of and or from and both indicate source.....The faith of Jesus is the source of our salvation and justification.....!

 

[wattie]

1 Peter 1:2-5 is important here also:

vs 3- His abundant mercy has begotten to a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead--

So as dcontroversial has typed- it's Jesus keeping a believer saved.. not their own faithfulness.

vs 4- The inheritance a believer gets is incorruptible, undefiled that fades not away and is reserved in heaven

That is completely secure. Kept in place as soon as someone receives eternal life at salvation.

vs 5- Kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

So it's Jesus' faith that keeps us by His power.

So to the OP- I wouldn't say it's 'walking in the Spirit' that gives us salvation (maybe daily salvation-- not actually eternal salvation).. but it is Jesus saving us not by our obedience to Him, but by His giving a free gift of eternal life.

Need to keep justification and sanctification seperate. They are not the same process. Justification.. unconditional... justified by grace, once off, set for eternity. Sanctification.. that is how we walk with Jesus.. and determines how close we are with Him.

 

[Galatians2-20]

1 Peter 1:2-5 is important here also:

vs 3- His abundant mercy has begotten to a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead--

So as dcontroversial has typed- it's Jesus keeping a believer saved.. not their own faithfulness.

vs 4- The inheritance a believer gets is incorruptible, undefiled that fades not away and is reserved in heaven

That is completely secure. Kept in place as soon as someone receives eternal life at salvation.

vs 5- Kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

So it's Jesus' faith that keeps us by His power.

So to the OP- I wouldn't say it's 'walking in the Spirit' that gives us salvation (maybe daily salvation-- not actually eternal salvation).. but it is Jesus saving us not by our obedience to Him, but by His giving a free gift of eternal life.

Need to keep justification and sanctification seperate. They are not the same process. Justification.. unconditional... justified by grace, once off, set for eternity. Sanctification.. that is how we walk with Jesus.. and determines how close we are with Him.

How can one keep the two seperate when both originate from the source and occur at the same time?

 

[wattie]

How can one keep the two seperate when both originate from the source and occur at the same time?

You are right they originate from the same source-from Jesus. But when Jesus saves someone in the first place- this isn't by that person walking in obedience to Him.. this is justification.. saved by grace through faith in Christ.

Sanctification then happens after this- whereby the person's closeness to Jesus is worked out. Jesus works on the person's heart.. the person then either responds to this or goes their own way.

Justification is once off.. sanctification on going till they day someone dies.

The link between the two is someone has to be justified first to be sanctified of course. Sanctification then comes out of the fact the person is justified in the first place. The Holy Spirit dwelling in someone's soul will correct, rebuke, teach, empower, admonish etc... so they are being 'set apart'..sanctified.

But what I am saying is the person's daily faithfulness after being justified has no bearing on their justification. So the justification will not be undone by a lack of faithfulness on the part of the believer.

The Holy Spirit will correct and rebuke them if they go astray.. empower them to stand back up for Jesus.. but not remove the justification in the first place.

Justification- 'just as if id' never sinned

 

[Galatians2-20]

You are right they originate from the same source-from Jesus. But when Jesus saves someone in the first place- this isn't by that person walking in obedience to Him.. this is justification.. saved by grace through faith in Christ.

Sanctification then happens after this- whereby the person's closeness to Jesus is worked out. Jesus works on the person's heart.. the person then either responds to this or goes their own way.

Justification is once off.. sanctification on going till they day someone dies.

The link between the two is someone has to be justified first to be sanctified of course. Sanctification then comes out of the fact the person is justified in the first place. The Holy Spirit dwelling in someone's soul will correct, rebuke, teach, empower, admonish etc... so they are being 'set apart'..sanctified.

But what I am saying is the person's daily faithfulness after being justified has no bearing on their justification. So the justification will not be undone by a lack of faithfulness on the part of the believer.

The Holy Spirit will correct and rebuke them if they go astray.. empower them to stand back up for Jesus.. but not remove the justification in the first place.

Justification- 'just as if id' never sinned

I beg to differ. Salvation places us IN CHRIST. However, it is a matter of choice to abide there.

For example, let's say you were drowning in rough seas. A captain of a nearby boat sees you struggling, rushes over, and pulls you out of the water. He then gives you a change of clothes and allows you stay in his personal quarters, eating from his own table, for the remainder of the voyage. He then tells you to stay off the deck because it possible that the waves could pull you back into the water where you might drown.

You are now faced with three options:

#1. trust the Captain and stay inside the boat, no self effort involved
#2. ignore the Captain, and jump back into dangerous waters
#3. flirt with disaster by going on deck on hoping that, if you do fall in, the captain will be there to rescue you once again

Now, common sense tells you that the easiest and safest option is to stay inside the boat. Biblical faith works similarly. Jesus saves us and accepts us into His Presence. He then warns us to avoid temptation because to indulge in sin is to venture out of His Presence:

"But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin." ~ 1 John 3:5

However, in regards to salvation, most believers choose the equivalent of option three. They go about living their lives with little regard to what the Bible says, hoping God will bail them out of trouble. To them, God is nothing more than a life preserver, only needed in an emergency.

True, biblical faith not only saves us but also sanctifies us. However, it is a matter of choice to stay sanctified. One need not do anything to remain sanctified but rest in Him by placing all trust in Him and what He has told you. It's when we take our fate into our own hands and follow the desires of our flesh that we stumble into sin.

In ending, I ask you: SINCE WHEN IS IT A WORK NOT TO DO SOMETHING?

 

[crossnote]

I beg to differ. Salvation places us IN CHRIST. However, it is a matter of choice to abide there.

For example, let's say you were drowning in rough seas. A captain of a nearby boat sees you struggling, rushes over, and pulls you out of the water. He then gives you a change of clothes and allows you stay in his personal quarters, eating from his own table, for the remainder of the voyage. He then tells you to stay off the deck because it possible that the waves could pull you back into the water where you might drown.

You are now faced with three options:

#1. trust the Captain and stay inside the boat, no self effort involved
#2. ignore the Captain, and jump back into dangerous waters
#3. flirt with disaster by going on deck on hoping that, if you do fall in, the captain will be there to rescue you once again

Now, common sense tells you that the easiest and safest option is to stay inside the boat. Biblical faith works similarly. Jesus saves us and accepts us into His Presence. He then warns us to avoid temptation because to indulge in sin is to venture out of His Presence:

"But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin." ~ 1 John 3:5

However, in regards to salvation, most believers choose the equivalent of option three. They go about living their lives with little regard to what the Bible says, hoping God will bail them out of trouble. To them, God is nothing more than a life preserver, only needed in an emergency.

True, biblical faith not only saves us but also sanctifies us. However, it is a matter of choice to stay sanctified. One need not do anything to remain sanctified but rest in Him by placing all trust in Him and what He has told you. It's when we take our fate into our own hands and follow the desires of our flesh that we stumble into sin.

In ending, I ask you: SINCE WHEN IS IT A WORK NOT TO DO SOMETHING?

Your analogy is missing a couple of important components.

1. The captain not only pulls you INTO the boat but also gives you a new nature...that wants to stay and serve.
2. The captain supplies you with his Boatswain (the Holy Spirit) as your helper and keeper.

 

[Galatians2-20]

Your analogy is missing a couple of important components.

1. The captain not only pulls you INTO the boat but also gives you a new nature...that wants to stay and serve.
2. The captain supplies you with his Boatswain (the Holy Spirit) as your helper and keeper.[/QUO

Yes, I completely agree that is the case with salvation. However, for the sake of realism, I was trying to keep it simple.

Abiding in Christ is the same as walking in the Spirit. In my anology, the boat itself is representative of the Holy Spirit who keep us a float.

 

[wattie]

Your analogy is missing a couple of important components.

1. The captain not only pulls you INTO the boat but also gives you a new nature...that wants to stay and serve.
2. The captain supplies you with his Boatswain (the Holy Spirit) as your helper and keeper.[/QUO

Yes, I completely agree that is the case with salvation. However, for the sake of realism, I was trying to keep it simple.

Abiding in Christ is the same as walking in the Spirit. In my anology, the boat itself is representative of the Holy Spirit who keep us a float.

Are you talking about daily salvation or eternal salvation?

 

[Galatians2-20]

Are you talking about daily salvation or eternal salvation?

There is only one true salvation. Christ is that salvation. Our salvation is only secure in Him.

 

[wattie]

There is only one true salvation. Christ is that salvation. Our salvation is only secure in Him.

Well, what I mean is.. eternal salvation happens right at the moment someone entrusts their salvation with Jesus.

That's justification.

Daily salvation is on going. This has no bearing on eternal salvation. This is the walk with Jesus daily.

I think you are combining them together.. but that would make works part of eternal salvation.

 

[Galatians2-20]

Let's take a look at what John Calvin has to say about this subject:

"Christ was given to us by God's generosity, to be grasped and possessed by faith. By partaking of Him, we principally receive a double grace: namely, that being reconciled to God through Christ's blamelessness, we may have in heaven a gracious Father instead of a judge; and secondly, that sanctified by Christ's Spirit, we may cultivate blamelessness and purity of life." ~ John Calvin

 

[Galatians2-20]

"The formal relationship between justification and sanctification is crucial: they are distinct yet inseparable. There is no temporal gap between these two gifts. It is impossible to receive one without the other. Indeed, since both are contained in Christ, "these two which we perceive in Him together and conjointly are inseperable." To try to acquire God's pardon without entering into the new life given in Christ (sanctification) would be to tear Christ in two - or to "rend Christ assunder", in Calvin's own words." ~ an excerpt from J. Todd Billings' book "Union With Christ", quotes in bold are from Calvin's Institutes

 

[kennethcadwell]

Well, what I mean is.. eternal salvation happens right at the moment someone entrusts their salvation with Jesus.

That's justification.

Daily salvation is on going. This has no bearing on eternal salvation. This is the walk with Jesus daily.

I think you are combining them together.. but that would make works part of eternal salvation.

Sorry but this is not correct as eternal salvation does not come at day one when a person entrusts their salvation with Jesus. As the Lord clearly says that one does not receive eternal life unless they do the will of the Father first (Matthew 7:21, Matthew 6:46-49). One can not have eternal life before doing the things the Lord says one must do first.....

 

[Galatians2-20]

Sorry but this is not correct as eternal salvation does not come at day one when a person entrusts their salvation with Jesus. As the Lord clearly says that one does not receive eternal life unless they do the will of the Father first (Matthew 7:21, Matthew 6:46-49). One can not have eternal life before doing the things the Lord says one must do first.....

Hmmm... that's odd. The quote you are responding to is not mine but Wattie's, however, it is saying that it is mine.

There seems to be some kind of bug seeing as I responding to Kenneth but it reads that the quote is Wattie's.

 

[wattie]

"The formal relationship between justification and sanctification is crucial: they are distinct yet inseparable. There is no temporal gap between these two gifts. It is impossible to receive one without the other. Indeed, since both are contained in Christ, "these two which we perceive in Him together and conjointly are inseperable." To try to acquire God's pardon without entering into the new life given in Christ (sanctification) would be to tear Christ in two - or to "rend Christ assunder", in Calvin's own words." ~ an excerpt from J. Todd Billings' book "Union With Christ", quotes in bold are from Calvin's Institutes

Well sorry, but I am no Calvinist

Nor an Armininian

But I do understand that Jesus does the eternal saving and the sanctification.

 

[Galatians2-20]

Well sorry, but I am no Calvinist

Nor an Armininian

But I do understand that Jesus does the eternal saving and the sanctification.

I am neither a Calvinist or Arminian either. However, what I am is a student of practical, experiential sanctification.

I have studied every mainline denomination's theories on sanctifiation and found only one to actually work. If you prefer to place your faith in a hypothetical theory that you know, by your own lifestyle, does not work, then that is between you & God.