How can God change so much as it so happens with the law according to the OT. The NT is new and the law changes and I just don't understand how God could have did some of the things in the OT. Like killing and slaughtering new born. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Why is the God of the OT much more harsh then compared to the NT? I thought he law is eternal and can't be changed. It's so confusing.........
Why is the OT so different from the NT?
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IMO.the misunderstanding is on people, the text is the same, people twist it into some thing different. Marcion is one who started this falsehood, if you really read its the same, but when we have been told something over and over we seem o look at it from that view even when it tells us different....
Nothings different about God, his character is consistent in the old and new testaments (Hebrews 13:8). The law didn't change either (Matthew 5:17), just that the priest statutes and blood ordinances were fulfilled in Christ, who became our high priest, intercessory, and sacrifice.
God exercised certain judgements in the old testament, but Christ came not in judgement, but to bring salvation (Luke 4:18-19). The new covenant established a period of grace, where vengeance is delayed until the final judgement occurs. Whenever God took lives in the OT, it was the result of sin, wickedness, and disobedience (usually all 3). It was often a necessity to protect and preserve his people.
did anyone else notice that the life we are called to now in Christ begins with the wholesale spiritual slaughter of every believer?
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
(Romans 6:3)
those things that are harmful to His people are still being put to death.
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature:
sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
(Colossians 3:5)
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
(Romans 6:3)
those things that are harmful to His people are still being put to death.
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature:
sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
(Colossians 3:5)
I am the Lord Thy God I change not....God has not changed and Jesus said to search the scriptures for they testified of Him....He was speaking of the O.T. as the N.T. had not been written.....The O.T. and the N.T. together tell the whole story and does many things such as...
1. Sets forth the creation and fall of man
2. Establishes the righteousness of God and the justice of God
3. Lays the foundation for the judgment of humanity and the nations of the world
4. Lays the foundation for the coming Messiah and his lineage
5. Has a thread of grace and faith woven throughout the whole
6. Lays the bedrock of truth concerning the redemption of all things unto God
7. Sets the foundation for the complete line of truth concerning all things
Etc..........
It takes both to have a full understanding and like I have heard and said....the O.T. and the N.T. are like the rear and front sights on a gun....without both you cannot shoot straight, but by both a clear line of sight is found and allows for a straight shot.......!
1. Sets forth the creation and fall of man
2. Establishes the righteousness of God and the justice of God
3. Lays the foundation for the judgment of humanity and the nations of the world
4. Lays the foundation for the coming Messiah and his lineage
5. Has a thread of grace and faith woven throughout the whole
6. Lays the bedrock of truth concerning the redemption of all things unto God
7. Sets the foundation for the complete line of truth concerning all things
Etc..........
It takes both to have a full understanding and like I have heard and said....the O.T. and the N.T. are like the rear and front sights on a gun....without both you cannot shoot straight, but by both a clear line of sight is found and allows for a straight shot.......!
God is the Lord of spirits. Jesus said before He died and rose again that Lazarus was sleeping. We tell our children when killing a dog that we are putting it to sleep. The OT is not different when combined with the understanding that God is introducing Himself to us. The OT is a shadow/pattern /school master for babies...which we are. But now we have been given the gift of The Holy Spirit in us, and the OT shows what we can do without the Holy Spirit in us...and what God can do to save us. The OT points to Jesus Christ of Nazareth, our savior. The OT resembles a spanking much of the time. The NT provides a way of escape from eternal spankings over and over again by Jesus providing the way for us to follow, and making it possible for us to recieve The Comforter. I hope that is not too confusing. Much more could be said using many many scriptures...but that is the nut shell version.
Isayah 59:15-21, "Yes, truth is suppressed; and he who departs from evil is accounted as mad. Yahweh saw this, and it displeased Him that there was no justice. But He saw no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor. Therefore His own arm brought salvation for Him, and His own righteousness, it sustained Him. For He put on righteousness as a breastplate, with a helmet of salvation on His head; He put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and He wrapped Himself with zeal like a tallit. According to their deeds, accordingly He will repay--fury to His adversaries, recompense to His enemies; to the islands; nations, He will repay recompense. So they will reverence the Name of Yahweh from the west and His glory from the rising of the sun; when our enemies will come in like a flood, the Spirit of Yahweh will lift up a standard against them; The Redeemer will depart from Zion for those of Yaaqob who repent of their sins! declares Yahweh. As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Words which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:7 reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
OT;
Ezekiyl 18:20-28, "The soul that sins, it will die. The son will not bear the iniquity of the father, nor will the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he has committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is Lawful and right, then he will surely live; he will not die. And his transgressions that he has committed will not be mentioned against him; in his righteousness that he has done, he will live. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says Father Yahweh: No, but rather that he would turn back from his wicked ways, and live. But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does--should he live? All his righteousness that he has done will not be mentioned in his behalf. In his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them he will die. Yet you say; The way of Yahweh is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israyl: Is not My way equal? Are not your ways unequal? When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity and dies, it is because of the iniquity he has done, that he will die. Again, when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he has committed, and does that which is Lawful and right, he will save himself, and live. Because he considered, and turned away from all his transgressions that he has committed, he will surely live; he will not die."
NT;
John 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
NT
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27, "Do you not know that those who run in a race all compete, but only one receives the prize? So run your race that you may lay hold of the prize, and make it yours. And everyone who competes conducts himself temperately in all things. Now they compete to obtain a perishable crown; but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man who beats the air. No, I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified."
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
wicked = 113. athesmosStrong's Concordance
athesmos: lawless
Original Word: ἄθεσμος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: athesmos
Phonetic Spelling: (ath'-es-mos)
Short Definition:lawless
Definition: lawless, unrestrained, licentious.
2Pe 3:7 reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
OT;
Ezekiyl 18:20-28, "The soul that sins, it will die. The son will not bear the iniquity of the father, nor will the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he has committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is Lawful and right, then he will surely live; he will not die. And his transgressions that he has committed will not be mentioned against him; in his righteousness that he has done, he will live. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says Father Yahweh: No, but rather that he would turn back from his wicked ways, and live. But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does--should he live? All his righteousness that he has done will not be mentioned in his behalf. In his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them he will die. Yet you say; The way of Yahweh is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israyl: Is not My way equal? Are not your ways unequal? When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity and dies, it is because of the iniquity he has done, that he will die. Again, when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he has committed, and does that which is Lawful and right, he will save himself, and live. Because he considered, and turned away from all his transgressions that he has committed, he will surely live; he will not die."
NT;
John 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
NT
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27, "Do you not know that those who run in a race all compete, but only one receives the prize? So run your race that you may lay hold of the prize, and make it yours. And everyone who competes conducts himself temperately in all things. Now they compete to obtain a perishable crown; but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man who beats the air. No, I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified."
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
wicked = 113. athesmosStrong's Concordance
athesmos: lawless
Original Word: ἄθεσμος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: athesmos
Phonetic Spelling: (ath'-es-mos)
Short Definition:lawless
Definition: lawless, unrestrained, licentious.
I also think people cherry pick all the NT verses to say they can claim Jesus and still be who they used to be and everything is ok....
The NT makes this clear we accept Him, we do works worthy of repentance....
Acts 26:20 King James Bible
"But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God (YHWH), and do works meet for repentance."
The NT makes this clear we accept Him, we do works worthy of repentance....
Acts 26:20 King James Bible
"But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God (YHWH), and do works meet for repentance."
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We inherit the knowledge of good and evil through Adam,
as He ate of that fruit and sinned, so we bear that fruit of sin, as we are Adam's seed.
God Promised a Redeemer, from the beginning,
and that Redeemer is Christ. And all those Redeemed from the foundations of the world will be found in Christ.
God has not changed,
His judgement of sin has not changed,
His plan of salvation has not changed,
His active role in creation and sustaining all things has not changed,
His protection of His Chosen People has not changed.
Things were more hidden in the OT, before the revealing of the Father to mankind through Jesus the Son.
Many things were seen only as physical, when the Truth behind the physical was a spiritual reality.
The Law never saved, but always condemned,
and Faith always saved, and turned away condemnation.
God is One, and is unchanging.
People try to change God to fit into their personal viewpoints, but God will not be moved.
as He ate of that fruit and sinned, so we bear that fruit of sin, as we are Adam's seed.
God Promised a Redeemer, from the beginning,
and that Redeemer is Christ. And all those Redeemed from the foundations of the world will be found in Christ.
God has not changed,
His judgement of sin has not changed,
His plan of salvation has not changed,
His active role in creation and sustaining all things has not changed,
His protection of His Chosen People has not changed.
Things were more hidden in the OT, before the revealing of the Father to mankind through Jesus the Son.
Many things were seen only as physical, when the Truth behind the physical was a spiritual reality.
The Law never saved, but always condemned,
and Faith always saved, and turned away condemnation.
God is One, and is unchanging.
People try to change God to fit into their personal viewpoints, but God will not be moved.
K
God does the same in both testaments, it's just that in the old testament things were done physically that are now done spiritually. God does not sin, we may not understand the mind of God, but God is holy- not evil. God created new born babies, and He has the right to end their lives as well. Some may think, "How can He allow His precious Son to die." God has a reason for everything that He does, even if we don't know what it is.
the penalty for sin is still death.
if someone continually breaks the law, not turning to yahweh to be saved, but continues to trample underfoot yahweh's grace, they won't find themselves on his side later. he warns ample times about this.
the speed limit sign is still up, and still to be obeyed. those who are born again, born from above, love to obey the speed limit. it doesn't even enter in to their thoughts to disobey the law !
if someone continually breaks the law, not turning to yahweh to be saved, but continues to trample underfoot yahweh's grace, they won't find themselves on his side later. he warns ample times about this.
the speed limit sign is still up, and still to be obeyed. those who are born again, born from above, love to obey the speed limit. it doesn't even enter in to their thoughts to disobey the law !
First a person has to teach what was the way everything suppose to be in order to show that child their imperfections. If a child is raised in a household that the people suffers from severe cases mental and physical illnesses; that child wouldn't know how a person development suppose to be, but they'll think that having a mental and physical disorder is normal, and so the old was making us aware of the things that sin has done to us and to let us all know that we need a physician to help heal these problems. We all has severe problems, but we doesn't recognizes them because we considered them to be normal acts.
Matthew 19:4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’
Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
Matthew 19:4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’
Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
