The Sad state of Christianity Today

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ChosenbyHim

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Many if not most Christians in America today are in really rough shape:


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JFSurvivor

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Meh...some of them. Surprisingly after coming to this forum I have learned that not all Christians are jerks; some can be quite nice. God works in weird ways! lol :-D
 

Hizikyah

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I think we need to dwell on HIS words, see whats there, to understand the beauty with in, see the truth there and you know let Him guide us. I think even if one is opposed if they ask Him He will change them?
 
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MadParrotWoman

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I don't think it is Jesus they don't like, I think it's the Father, God of the OT. People would sooner ignore the OT and pretend it doesn't exist. Maybe they think Jesus is a soft touch and His words are easier to manipulate.
 

Jon4TheCross

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I believe mostly the matter has to do with holding back a part...which Jesus did not do. When we turn our backs to giving all...we declare with body language that we hate Jesus, or do not know Him, or simply are still in bondage.
Not judging, cause I believe God knows the real and holy us, and how to perform that which is good most find not yet in a complete way. For instance... The church goers are so busy with their own that the childen of God do not even recieve a steadily good atmosphere. Maybe its because the church goers actually believe they can serve God and riches. Yes...so sad that there is doubt that there is only one needful thing...which is sitting at Jesus feet and hearing His word. (Luke 10)
 
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Hizikyah

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I don't think it is Jesus they don't like, I think it's the Father, God of the OT. People would sooner ignore the OT and pretend it doesn't exist. Maybe they think Jesus is a soft touch and His words are easier to manipulate.
Without knowing what is written it is easier to manipulate, I know a group of people who were under a few different "churchs" who only read the NT and bits and pieces at that, and basically many NT "doctrines" were "formed" in many different ways, none of them being rooted in the whole word, you should have head the things they were told. To keep them from reading 1 John they were told "that is for non-believers"

even though it says; 1 John 2:4 "He who says I know Him...."

Praise the Most High, when I pointed that out to them they let that false teaching, this guy was even telling them no confession to the Father was needed....

I think people who seek Him need to do just that and seek Him, not sit and consume from a "leader" with a possibly "corporate" teaching and there to make money, not saying all are but some are.... but it seems any place that speaks truth has low attendance....
 
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jettrooper

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In my experience I have found most people to be reluctant to do ALL that the Lord commands. Some things they find easy, like coming to Church or the Lord's Supper, but others they don't want to submit everything over to Him with, like celibacy, moderation, fasting and complimentarianism. Simply put, most have a problem with His Lordship.
 

Jon4TheCross

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In my experience I have found most people to be reluctant to do ALL that the Lord commands. Some things they find easy, like coming to Church or the Lord's Supper, but others they don't want to submit everything over to Him with, like celibacy, moderation, fasting and complimentarianism. Simply put, most have a problem with His Lordship.
I too will not deny that in my current situation and circumstances it is difficult to perform that which is good perfectly. I am sooo tired of the sin in the flesh and desperate to rid myself if it that I believe I have only one option remaining. I will go to a steadily and completely good atmosphere indefinitely...even if the only place I can find that in this earth is the wilderness. This time I will stay there until another atmosphere equal to it exists. That is how desperate I am for such an atmosphere.

One thing is needful.


38*Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.

39*And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.

40*But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.

41*And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:

42*But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
 

breno785au

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I too will not deny that in my current situation and circumstances it is difficult to perform that which is good perfectly. I am sooo tired of the sin in the flesh and desperate to rid myself if it that I believe I have only one option remaining. I will go to a steadily and completely good atmosphere indefinitely...even if the only place I can find that in this earth is the wilderness. This time I will stay there until another atmosphere equal to it exists. That is how desperate I am for such an atmosphere.

One thing is needful.


38*Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.

39*And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.

40*But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.

41*And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:

42*But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
One way to get over that is to stop thinking about sin and renewing your mind to what Jesus has done for and in you. A sin focused lifestyle can destroy anybody. Think of that which is good, honorable and praise worthy.
 
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Sirk

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Many if not most Christians in America today are in really rough shape:


People are gonna have opinions and personalities that don't jive with someone else. I know that my humor can come across as condescending but that is par for the course in online discourse. The important thing is not pleasing others but pleasing God....and I think God likes a good attitude so I try to keep one of those. Just because I may disagree with someone doesn't mean I don't like them AND I will even adjust my interaction with them as I learn about them and where they are.....
 

Jon4TheCross

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One way to get over that is to stop thinking about sin and renewing your mind to what Jesus has done for and in you. A sin focused lifestyle can destroy anybody. Think of that which is good, honorable and praise worthy.
I am not focused on sin, and do agree concerning the renewing of the mind. I am just fed up with sin...and tired of it being around me. So...easy enough...I'll just stay out in the woods praying and interceeding until another atmosphere is provided for me equal to the purity of the wilderness. I have the free will to do so, and just have a couple obligations before going back...which means I probably only have about a week left of communicating on this site. It has been an honor that God has allowed such communication, and I thank Him for you all.
 

breno785au

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I am not focused on sin, and do agree concerning the renewing of the mind. I am just fed up with sin...and tired of it being around me. So...easy enough...I'll just stay out in the woods praying and interceeding until another atmosphere is provided for me equal to the purity of the wilderness. I have the free will to do so, and just have a couple obligations before going back...which means I probably only have about a week left of communicating on this site. It has been an honor that God has allowed such communication, and I thank Him for you all.
That's still a part of having a sin focused lifestyle, arnt you focusing on the sins of others? And judging them accordingly?
We are the light of the world, and we are to shine our light before men, men cant see it and possibly change if we are secluding ourselves from them.
Don't get me wrong, I know how you feel and what your saying, I too at times wish to go to some secluded place and leave the world behind but God loves the people in darkness too much for that. It is better for us to let our walls down so the glory of the Lord can be our wall, get involved in peoples lives and show them the kingdom :)
 
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Sirk

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That's still a part of having a sin focused lifestyle, arnt you focusing on the sins of others? And judging them accordingly?
We are the light of the world, and we are to shine our light before men, men cant see it and possibly change if we are secluding ourselves from them.
Don't get me wrong, I know how you feel and what your saying, I too at times wish to go to some secluded place and leave the world behind but God loves the people in darkness too much for that. It is better for us to let our walls down so the glory of the Lord can be our wall, get involved in peoples lives and show them the kingdom :)
I would say that we have a gate that opens both ways vs having walls down.
 

Jon4TheCross

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That's still a part of having a sin focused lifestyle, arnt you focusing on the sins of others? And judging them accordingly?
We are the light of the world, and we are to shine our light before men, men cant see it and possibly change if we are secluding ourselves from them.
Don't get me wrong, I know how you feel and what your saying, I too at times wish to go to some secluded place and leave the world behind but God loves the people in darkness too much for that. It is better for us to let our walls down so the glory of the Lord can be our wall, get involved in peoples lives and show them the kingdom :)
Those are some interesting assumptions. No I am not focusing on the sins of others or judging them (the measures of God), or the world.
I have eyes like Lot which cannot look anywhere but to The Word of God for a Biblical atmosphere which is perfect and always good. The power of prayer is underestimated by many, and I believe there's plenty of people not in the woods...so...I will be one who stays out there with God until another equally good or better atmosphere exists. God approves of testifying to the fact that one thing is needful, and I have chosen that good part which will not be taken away from me.

I understand what you are saying, but it is not the hate of sin that drives me out again...The first 40 was one of the best experiences of my life, and I believe I will go for a double portion. Just saying...the experience was sooo awesome, and getting away from sin again is part of it.
 

breno785au

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Those are some interesting assumptions. No I am not focusing on the sins of others or judging them (the measures of God), or the world.
I have eyes like Lot which cannot look anywhere but to The Word of God for a Biblical atmosphere which is perfect and always good. The power of prayer is underestimated by many, and I believe there's plenty of people not in the woods...so...I will be one who stays out there with God until another equally good or better atmosphere exists. God approves of testifying to the fact that one thing is needful, and I have chosen that good part which will not be taken away from me.

I understand what you are saying, but it is not the hate of sin that drives me out again...The first 40 was one of the best experiences of my life, and I believe I will go for a double portion. Just saying...the experience was sooo awesome, and getting away from sin again is part of it.
Oh I think I see what your saying now, sorry lol my bad.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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I kinda worry that Christians are becoming too earthly. Like allowing themselves to fall into the idea that as long as you arent physically hurting anyone you can do whatever you want. That God is a free love God who wants you to have a great time, and get kinda mad when you remind them God has an order He wants us to follow, and that He did in fact say that His plan is to put us through hardships and suffering. They want to believe Hes a good time God that wants you to fulfill desires. Its pretty bizarre.

But, another issue that Christians in the west face, temptation of money and materialism. We live in a world filled with goods and riches and devices, and so many of us struggle with living to have things. We let ourselves become comfortable with not allowing other sins that we forget that we should also not have any earthly desires at all.

I struggle with this one too.
 

p_rehbein

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Ok, guess I'll have to be the one to say.............that I disagree that Christianity, or more correctly, The Faith, is in a sad state.

From what I read, Christianity is growing with leaps and bounds in many countries across the world............

Individual instances that would disappoint us can not and do not speak to the totality of the Faith, the Faithful.......they speak only to those instances........

Personally, in my church, Christianity, the Faith, is WONDERFULLY served............and praise God for that.........

Negativity begets negativity in my opinion............Jesus did not give us a Gospel of negativity.........just saying........

We are heirs to the Promise.............

(anyway, my thoughts............)
 

Jon4TheCross

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Ok, guess I'll have to be the one to say.............that I disagree that Christianity, or more correctly, The Faith, is in a sad state.

From what I read, Christianity is growing with leaps and bounds in many countries across the world............

Individual instances that would disappoint us can not and do not speak to the totality of the Faith, the Faithful.......they speak only to those instances........

Personally, in my church, Christianity, the Faith, is WONDERFULLY served............and praise God for that.........

Negativity begets negativity in my opinion............Jesus did not give us a Gospel of negativity.........just saying........

We are heirs to the Promise.............

(anyway, my thoughts............)
Are you saying you know of a 24/7 church that practices all things common? And would allow me to pray in that atmosphere for days without end?

Anything else is less than the woods for me.. sorry.
 

p_rehbein

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Are you saying you know of a 24/7 church that practices all things common? And would allow me to pray in that atmosphere for days without end?

Anything else is less than the woods for me.. sorry.
What I am saying is...............the Church is not a building.........the Church is the body of believers that practice the Faith.

And having a building that is open 24/7, 365 does not make it a Church.............OR the ONLY place to pray and/or worship God.................."Do ALL THINGS for the glory of God"

And, in my opinion, Christianity is NOT in a sad state today.............individual instances? Sure but they aren't as great a number as some would have us believe.............

Your opinion of what a "true church" should practice/teach is just your opinion. Even the Disciples/Apostles themselves disagreed..............

What I am saying is: God did not give us a heart of discontent/negativity..............so why practice one?