My thoughts on the rapture discussions

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I see some threads "debating" whether or not there is a rapture and when it could possibly happen.

Forgive me, but I really don't see any benefit in the whole rapture argument/debate. What's the point, so that one side can say "we are right"? Is being correct in front of another human being a reward worthy of our resources?

"Whenever you fast, do not put on a gloomy face as the hypocrites do, for they neglect their appearance so that they will be noticed by men when they are fasting. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full." Matthew 6:16

"for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:21

Does it really matter? If you're living your life according to His word, would you not be prepared regardless of if/when a rapture occurs?

I feel it important to always audit ourselves to determine how we utilize our resources.

Thanks for reading.
 
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Rapture means the gathering, and yes, God is going to gather up his people and toss the rest into the abyss. He is harvesting right at this moment.
 

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Well there a lot of debates on here about a lot of things.....

Yes it is important. In my humble opinion
 
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Well there a lot of debates on here about a lot of things.....

Yes it is important. In my humble opinion
Why is it important? Is being correct about the rapture going to improve your position for eternity above those who are saved but weren't correct about the rapture?
 

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Why is it important? Is being correct about the rapture going to improve your position for eternity above those who are saved but weren't correct about the rapture?
Because learning the word of God is important. Everything is important. What one chooses to do with that information depends on them, although there is no need for rude or derogatory comments I still believe having a biblical conversation on a public forum is interesting and in most cases intellectually stimulating. Most people can learn a thing or two.
 
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Because learning the word of God is important. Everything is important. What one chooses to do with that information depends on them, although there is no need for rude or derogatory comments I still believe having a biblical conversation on a public forum is interesting and in most cases intellectually stimulating. Most people can learn a thing or two.
Yes, you are correct, learning is important. However, so many of the debates I see are among parties that are unwilling to concede the point of another and continuing to argue. What is the point of further argument if all are unwilling to come to some agreement? Would it not be prudent to leave the discussion and go on to something more productive?
 
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It is not a salvational issue. It is however a useful discussion to have.
 

Ella85

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Yes, you are correct, learning is important. However, so many of the debates I see are among parties that are unwilling to concede the point of another and continuing to argue. What is the point of further argument if all are unwilling to come to some agreement? Would it not be prudent to leave the discussion and go on to something more productive?
I understand what you are referring to - the type that are on continuous repeat of the same nonsensical biblical twisting...yes I know it well.
I steer clear of these type. Although if someone has a legit question I am more than happy to help them understand or for them to help me understand. If they refuse to try to understand what I am saying then I lose interest haha
 
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I understand what you are referring to - the type that are on continuous repeat of the same nonsensical biblical twisting...yes I know it well.
I steer clear of these type. Although if someone has a legit question I am more than happy to help them understand or for them to help me understand. If they refuse to try to understand what I am saying then I lose interest haha
I understand what you're saying. I suppose my predicament stems from my inability to understand some people. I see it as a waste of resources, but perhaps I'm wrong there.
 
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Does it really matter? If you're living your life according to His word, would you not be prepared regardless of if/when a rapture occurs?

I feel it important to always audit ourselves to determine how we utilize our resources.

Thanks for reading.
Well said dearly beloved and GOD because of LORD JESUS CHRIST have made you simply right to have a righteous say on what is Grace and Truth.

This is because this thing 'written', as being 'taken up', will happen unexpectedly. It is written that 'no one' knows the date, hour or time, but the 'FATHER'.

Even in the parable of the 'Ten Virgin' (blameless, unstained, sinless = virgin), the bridegroom was 'a little late' than expected. Even yet being virgins, five of them were not well prepared to meet the groom and were left behind. Looks like the expectation of 'entry' is 'high'.

One - such an individual must be a virgin (blameless, unstained, undefiled. etc.)

Two - one who is well prepared to meet the bridegroom, taking with them 'extra amount of oil for their lamp', because they were wise and ahead of time have knowledge that the bridegroom might be a little late

Three - Their 'lamp' must 'remain burning' until HE returns.

As it is written;

"Workout your salvation (New Covenant teachings of the LORD JESUS CHRIST) in fear and trembling."

In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, remain faithful to what you have been taught by the Helper, the HOLY SPIRIT, and receive them all, like a 'child' and not like the 'wise and prudent', to whom the Spiritual revelation knowledge into all written Holy Scripture is hid from their understanding, by the FATHER..

And so they love to debate, content and compete with each other (just like the Jewish council members did, during regarding CHRIST), regarding the written Scripture. Even the LORD's return and gone, they were not aware of and were 'left behind'.

As it is written;

"To him who have ears, let him listen."
 

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I understand what you're saying. I suppose my predicament stems from my inability to understand some people. I see it as a waste of resources, but perhaps I'm wrong there.
It all comes down to the persons attitude - You were not wrong, I know what you meant and what type of people you were referring to. There are certainly two types of people...........ones that want to learn.....and ones that think they know it all!
 

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I see some threads "debating" whether or not there is a rapture and when it could possibly happen.

Forgive me, but I really don't see any benefit in the whole rapture argument/debate. What's the point, so that one side can say "we are right"? Is being correct in front of another human being a reward worthy of our resources?

"Whenever you fast, do not put on a gloomy face as the hypocrites do, for they neglect their appearance so that they will be noticed by men when they are fasting. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full." Matthew 6:16

"for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:21

Does it really matter? If you're living your life according to His word, would you not be prepared regardless of if/when a rapture occurs?

I feel it important to always audit ourselves to determine how we utilize our resources.

Thanks for reading.
well I just tend to stay out of them. they get way to heated.
 
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I see some threads "debating" whether or not there is a rapture and when it could possibly happen.

Forgive me, but I really don't see any benefit in the whole rapture argument/debate. What's the point, so that one side can say "we are right"? Is being correct in front of another human being a reward worthy of our resources?

"Whenever you fast, do not put on a gloomy face as the hypocrites do, for they neglect their appearance so that they will be noticed by men when they are fasting. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full." Matthew 6:16

"for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:21

Does it really matter? If you're living your life according to His word, would you not be prepared regardless of if/when a rapture occurs?

I feel it important to always audit ourselves to determine how we utilize our resources.

Thanks for reading.

Actually, I think this is quite a bit of danger in wrongly understanding this. If someone believes that they are going to be raptured away before the Great Tribulation they are apt not to prepare for that tribulation. It is said that it will be the worst time there has ever been and that Christians will fall away. I suspect that that is possibly because many will not be prepared. There is also the need to know where to flee when it is time to flee. The one who doesn't expect to be here probably isn't going to be diligently seeking information about where those places are. The worst storm that has ever been is coming and Christians need to be prepared.
 

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Yes, you are correct, learning is important. However, so many of the debates I see are among parties that are unwilling to concede the point of another and continuing to argue. What is the point of further argument if all are unwilling to come to some agreement? Would it not be prudent to leave the discussion and go on to something more productive?
I think those that are smart - know when to fold them and know when to hold them......in other word Blondese....if they are stiff necked and hard hearted it is time to shake off the dust and move on......some just don't change or get it..... I do like learn though and God/Holy Spirit has been my BEST TEACHER so far. We humans give it a good try though....Some peeps just won't listen or maybe they think they already know it all......lol
 
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I understand what you're saying. I suppose my predicament stems from my inability to understand some people. I see it as a waste of resources, but perhaps I'm wrong there.
End times discussion is fascinating. The levitical priesthood is even more fascinating. Your views on end times effects your entire bible doctrine. Start digging and enjoy the adventure and rewards of a glimpse into the wonders of heaven and God's heart.
 

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To the one who posted that we need to know these things in order to prepare for them - how to prepare? It is all I can do to just live my life out day by day in such a way to glorify the Lord. And to keep my peace and joy intact.

And we can also get so caught up in intellectual things that we belittle the purpose for our lives - to let Christ be seen in and through us to everyone we meet. To continue the works that He did. He didn't spent a lot of time telling us to prepare for the rapture.

So, tell me again, how am I supposed to prepare for this specific event?
 
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To the one who posted that we need to know these things in order to prepare for them - how to prepare? It is all I can do to just live my life out day by day in such a way to glorify the Lord. And to keep my peace and joy intact.

And we can also get so caught up in intellectual things that we belittle the purpose for our lives - to let Christ be seen in and through us to everyone we meet. To continue the works that He did. He didn't spent a lot of time telling us to prepare for the rapture.

So, tell me again, how am I supposed to prepare for this specific event?

Actually, Jesus and the apostles did tell us to be prepared. Read Mathew 24, Jesus tells His disciples to become ready. Paul said,

NKJ 1 Thessalonians 5:1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you.
2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.
3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.
4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. (1Th 5:1-6 NKJ)

There a time coming that Jesus said will be so bad that if it was not shortened no flesh would be saved. We need to prepare for that time so that we will know what to do and not be swept away with the deceit.
 

Joidevivre

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Butch - SPECIFICALLY, what more am I supposed to do to get ready other than what I have already done - which is given my life to Jesus? And we do it for NOW so He can be glorified in us. So others may be drawn to Him. And we testify to bring others to Christ.

But I didn't/don't do it for the rapture. It will just happen when it happens. And if I am in Christ and He is in me, I am ready for anything. Even Paul said he only preached Christ and Him crucified. He didn't preach the rapture as needing to be our focus.
 
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My view is the following....

If it is found in the word of God it is important....there are how many books, chapters and verses that deal with the body presence of Christ and our gathering together unto him....if it was not important, not to be studied, discussed, viewed, believed, understood and known then it would not have made the bible......From the first word of Genesis to the last word of Revelation is to be loved, studied, researched, prayed over, known, learned etc.......