the Blood Of Jesus

[Barbara]

I have a question, thats been bothering me , so I'm gonna bring it here.
The bible says that there is no remission for sin without the shedding of Blood.
God created all things, so did God make that law? I just am trying to understand why there
is no forgiveness without the shedding of Blood?
Barbara

 

[giantone]

When Adam sinned one of the first things they did was try to hide there nakedness by a work of man, a work of fallen man to be exact.
Genesis 3:7 *And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Next God corrects this by bloody animal skins to more properly cloth Adam and Eve before a Holy God. (picture of Jesus)
Genesis 3:21 *¶Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Next is Cain and Able.
Genesis 4:2 *And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
God was pleased with Able's offering and not Cain's.

Cain kills his brother and Able's blood Cried out to God, I think it still cries out.
Genesis 4:10 *And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
(Jesus's blood poured out in the Earth speaks today as well.)
Hebrews 12:24 *And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.(talking about Jesus's shed blood.)

One way of looking at the shedding of blood is it is not a work of man that forgives sin but a work of God. Only God can forgive sin or save from sin.

 

[pickles]

I know others will help alot with scripture, but I want to share something that I learned a while ago from a book about sheepherding.
Ive shared this story before but I think you will like it.
We know from scripture that we became unacceptible to God because of sin.
We also know that alot of scripture refurs to sheep and shepards ,so when I read this in a book it really touched me in understanding.
During lambing season alot of mother sheep die and many lambs die also.
You would think that the simple solution is giving an orphan lamb to a mother sheep whos baby lamb died.
But it will not work, the mother lamb will not accept the baby lamb because she does not recognise it as her own.
So the sheperders will take the lamb that dies, cut it open and bath the orphan lamb in its blood.
Thus the mother lamb will accept it as its own because she recognises it by the blood.
Sin made us unrecognisable before God, so he sent his son that we may be washed in his blood .
Jesus suffered death so that we might live.
Thus becoming acceptable to God Our Father
God bless, pickles

 

[giantone]

That was good, I never thought of a thing like that.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

The shedding of blood prior to Christ was a type--a living lesson pointing to what would occur on the cross. Blood represents life. Our lives are forfeit because of sin, but Jesus death was a substitution for us. Our sentences (to death) were served by Him. Our sin was placed upon Him and God's justice was served by His death, in our place, on the cross. So the shedding of blood (sentence of death) was neccesary for the remission (pardon) of sin. This truth can be as simple or complex as you want to plumb.

 

[Israel]

I have a question, thats been bothering me , so I'm gonna bring it here.
The bible says that there is no remission for sin without the shedding of Blood.
God created all things, so did God make that law? I just am trying to understand why there
is no forgiveness without the shedding of Blood?
Barbara

Hebrews 9:19-28
For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Why blood?

Exodus 21:23-25
And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

24Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Leveticus 24:18-20
And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast.

19And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; 20Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.

By law, whatever being a person or part of a person that committed the offence, only equal exchange can set it right.

Leveticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

So if life is in the blood and all have sinned because of the one man, Adam, then the act committed was blood related.

Romans 5:13-17
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Is this a contradiction of scriptures? Let's dig deeper.

Genesis 2:16-17
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Leveticus 18:23
Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

Genesis 3:1-3
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Genesis 3:1 states that serpent was "more subtil than all the beasts of the field". In addition, when God cursed the serpent he became a snake, that is, crawled on his belly. A snake has a forked tongue and cannot articulate words. Thus the original serpent was an upright beast.
The hebrew word for serpent comes from the root "nachash" meaning:
to practice divination, divine, observe signs, learn by experience, diligently observe, practice fortunetelling, take as an omen [Strong's Lexicon 5172]

This beast was as close to the race of mankind in the animal kingdom as it could get. This beast caused confusion in Eve through her sensuality. She added to the commandment by saying "neither shall ye touch it." She then changed it by stating "lest ye die." It was no longer a certainty of death to her but a fear of death. The serpent in seeing this confusion acted upon it. She committed spiritual fornication by adding and twisting, thereby perverting the commandment. Then the fruit of that was produced in her physical fornication with the beast.

Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Why wasn't Adam called the father of all living? Because Cain was not his child.
God is holy and in Him is no iniquity. Adam was made in God's image and likeness. Eve, being taked from the flesh of Adam was the only agent he could act on to bring sin into the world. These traits came from the blood of the serpent beast influenced by Satan. Noah was the last man of pure blood from Adam and Eve. Everyone else after the flood is of mixed blood and therefore carry the traits of the serpent beast. We all have sinned. These traits can be seen in us all, but read what the Bibles says about the tribe of Dan.

Genesis 49:16-18
Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.
17Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.


Matthew 5:31-32
It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

So now the meaning is clearer for what Adam really did! He truly was a figure of Him who was to come!
Adam knew fully well what he was doing. If he had divorced his wife, she would be lost forever. But Adam was a son of God. He was a prophet.

Genesis 2:23-24
And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Adam(Jesus) identified with the sin of the woman(the church). The act of Adam in taking on the sin of his wife brought death, but the act of Jesus taking on the sins of the world brought life. Adam knew his Father would make a way!

Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

 

[greatkraw]

God set up the laws of the universe (eg gravity, less is more, whatever a man sows he reaps)
it is a law he set up
he also made provision to satisfy the law

it is NOT literall haemagloben it is death must pay for sin

 

[shad]

God set up the laws of the universe (eg gravity, less is more, whatever a man sows he reaps)
it is a law he set up
he also made provision to satisfy the law

it is NOT literall haemagloben it is death must pay for sin

I love you as a brother, but R.B.Theime is wrong about the blood of Christ being only spiritual and not literal in relationship to the atonement and the remission of sins. He is a wonderful man of God, who contributed much to the body of Christ and is present with the Lord as we speak. The natural mind of Adam is funny and Satan can use it against us in a heartbeat if we are not careful. Think of all that God did to make sure that His Son was born of a virgin and was made in the likeness of sinful flesh without sin, by making sure that the old sin nature did not get transferred through the male sperm and into the blood of His Son.

God did this, so that His Son could be offered as the spotless Lamb of God to take away the sins world. What made Him spotless was the blood that went through His veins that had no stain of sin. His blood was not tainted or corrupted by sin. The life of the flesh, that is in the blood for us, carries a sentence of death that is in every cell of the body where the old sin nature resides. Our blood is tainted and our body will die for the wages of sin is death (also in the physical). We have an appointment with death because our blood has that sentence of death. Christ's blood did not carry that sentence of death. He knew no sin and willingly laid His life down and had His blood shed for us.

If the Son had not literally shed His blood there would have been no remission of sins. He could have died without shedding His blood but He was a lamb led to the slaughter. When the plague of death was prophesied to come upon Egypt and take all the firstborn, each household had to shed the blood of a lamb and put it upon the door post and on the lintel to keep death from taking their firstborn. When the destroyer came and saw the blood he would passover that house. If they had not applied literal blood on the door of their house the firstborn would have been destroyed. This is not just a type but a literal event. The law is spiritual but this came before the law. That is as far as I will go with this, but there is so much more that could be said.

 

[resurrection33]

I have a question, thats been bothering me , so I'm gonna bring it here.
The bible says that there is no remission for sin without the shedding of Blood.
God created all things, so did God make that law? I just am trying to understand why there
is no forgiveness without the shedding of Blood?
Barbara

I don’t know if I can answer your question, but I think that the fact that Jesus shed blood—was crucified—for us takes care of everything.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

I love you as a brother, but R.B.Theime is wrong about the blood of Christ being only spiritual and not literal in relationship to the atonement and the remission of sins. He is a wonderful man of God, who contributed much to the body of Christ and is present with the Lord as we speak. The natural mind of Adam is funny and Satan can use it against us in a heartbeat if we are not careful. Think of all that God did to make sure that His Son was born of a virgin and was made in the likeness of sinful flesh without sin, by making sure that the old sin nature did not get transferred through the male sperm and into the blood of His Son.

God did this, so that His Son could be offered as the spotless Lamb of God to take away the sins world. What made Him spotless was the blood that went through His veins that had no stain of sin. His blood was not tainted or corrupted by sin. The life of the flesh, that is in the blood for us, carries a sentence of death that is in every cell of the body where the old sin nature resides. Our blood is tainted and our body will die for the wages of sin is death (also in the physical). We have an appointment with death because our blood has that sentence of death. Christ's blood did not carry that sentence of death. He knew no sin and willingly laid His life down and had His blood shed for us.

If the Son had not literally shed His blood there would have been no remission of sins. He could have died without shedding His blood but He was a lamb led to the slaughter. When the plague of death was prophesied to come upon Egypt and take all the firstborn, each household had to shed the blood of a lamb and put it upon the door post and on the lintel to keep death from taking their firstborn. When the destroyer came and saw the blood he would passover that house. If they had not applied literal blood on the door of their house the firstborn would have been destroyed. This is not just a type but a literal event. The law is spiritual but this came before the law. That is as far as I will go with this, but there is so much more that could be said.

Both His death, the shedding of His blood and the tabernacle/temple sacrifices were literal. The sacrifices were a type of Jesus sacrifice. Out entire body is tainted by sin. If sin was merely carried in the blood then if one had all of their blood replaced by artificial blood would be momentarity sinless--a strange idea. Our blood one moment after salvation is no different than our blood one second later, but we are "under" His blood. The Bible speaks of how His blood speaks better than the blood of Cain--a type of our sins crying out to Him. The blood of the Divine Intercessor speaks better than the accusor. I suspect that you agree with all of this. It is a subject that you can go as deeply as you want to go.
By the way, I think Greatcraw agrees with you--he just doesn't agree with Cup-of-Ruin.

 

[shad]

Both His death, the shedding of His blood and the tabernacle/temple sacrifices were literal. The sacrifices were a type of Jesus sacrifice. Out entire body is tainted by sin. If sin was merely carried in the blood then if one had all of their blood replaced by artificial blood would be momentarity sinless--a strange idea. Our blood one moment after salvation is no different than our blood one second later, but we are "under" His blood. The Bible speaks of how His blood speaks better than the blood of Cain--a type of our sins crying out to Him. The blood of the Divine Intercessor speaks better than the accusor. I suspect that you agree with all of this. It is a subject that you can go as deeply as you want to go.
By the way, I think Greatcraw agrees with you--he just doesn't agree with Cup-of-Ruin.

Thank you for being conscientious and kind in your post. Let me explain this way. The life of the flesh is in the blood. That means that every cell that makes up our flesh is given life by the properties of the human blood. The stain of sin that was inherited through Adam has tainted our blood and is carried to every cell of the human body. This is how the old sin nature of man resides in the members (or cells) of our body. Every cell of the body has been infected with sin through polluted blood. Look at all the diseases of the blood that can be carried throughout the body in a short lifetime. Our blood is susceptible to so many kinds of pollutants. The bones that produce the blood cells are also infected with this stain and never stop producing blood when needed. In order for God to have eradicated the old sin nature from man on earth, He would have had to purge our body and blood from the stain and pollution of sin, but he did not do that. God's plan is to give us a new glorified body, like unto His, that flesh and blood can not inherit. Let 'greatkraw' respond if he desires.

This is just a thought and not even an opinion. Perhaps the reason why Jesus had no prohibitions or restrictions in touching the dead or even a leper was due to the fact that His blood was not tainted by sin and could not be polluted by these things. If anyone had perfect flesh it was Christ as a man, who had sinless (spotless) blood. But we do not know Him or fellowship with Him in that way. We are members of His body, flesh and bones and our fellowship with one another is according to Christ's death, burial and resurrection / 2Cor 5:14-16, Eph 5:30, Rom 6:4-6.

 

[wattie]

On a side note-

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

This verse is actually about offering of animals.. animal sacrfice. It is not sayin that Jesus atonement for us no longer stands after we sin willfully, but that we can't offer up animal sacrifices to God to appease our sin. How is this so?

context

(Heb 10:4) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.


(Heb 10:8) Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

(Heb 10:9) Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. - about animal sacrifice being annulled

(Heb 10:12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

 

[loveschild]

The blood washes us white as snow. Theres power in the blood of Jesus.

 

[mcubed]

Yes! G-d mad the law! In fact He Himself wrote the law at Sinai! The Torah is the infallible, inerrant Word of G-d!
[FONT=&quot] “In Hebrews 9:22 (NT) it states: "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission" (forgiveness of sin). [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That is a quote from Torah:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Leviticus 17:10-14 which is a prophecy of Messiah and the Cross.[/FONT]

10 " 'Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood—I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people. 11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life. 12 Therefore I say to the Israelites, "None of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood."
The Cross/Blood was fulfillment of prophesy of Messiah!

Psalm 22 detailed passage of Messiah’s crucifixion.

Isaiah 53 “The Suffering Servant” is probably the most well known detailed passage of Messiah’s crucifixion.

The Blood/Cross is Fulfilled by Messiah:

The festival of the Passover has been celebrated by Jews for thousands of years. It is the retelling of the great story of how God redeemed the Jewish nation from enslavement in Egypt. The celebration itself was given to the Jews while they were still in Egypt. The original celebration centered around the Passover lamb, which was sacrificed and its blood put over the doorposts as a sign of faith, so that the Lord passed over the houses of the Jews during the last plague poured out on the Egyptians - the killing of every firstborn. To a large degree, the Passover lamb has been eliminated from the Passover festival (with the only remnant being the roasted lamb shank bone). The New Testament says that Jesus is our sacrificial Lamb. The Passover lamb was to be a "male without defect," which is the same description given to Jesus. In addition, when the lamb was roasted and eaten, none of its bones were to be broken. This fact was also prophesied for the Messiah, whose bones were not to be broken. It was customary during crucifixion to break the leg bones of the person after a few hours in order to hasten their death. The only way a person could breathe when hanging on a cross was to push up with his legs, which was very exhausting. By breaking the legs, death followed soon by asphyxiation. However, in the case of Jesus, they broke the legs of the other two men, but did not break His, since He was already dead. Much of the symbolism of Jesus' last Passover week is lost to us because we are unaware of the customs of the time. For example, Jesus came into the city of Jerusalem five days before the lamb was killed in the temple as the Passover sacrifice for the sins of the people of Israel. Five days before the lamb was to be sacrificed, it was chosen. Therefore, Jesus entered Jerusalem on lamb selection day as the lamb of God. The people did not understand the significance of this, since they greeted Him with palm branches and hailed Him as King, shouting "Hosanna," which means "save us." However, they were not looking for a spiritual Savior, but a political savior. Palm branches were a symbol of freedom and defiance, since Simon Maccabeus had entered Jerusalem with that symbolism. Jesus' reaction was to weep, since He realized that they did not understand the Messiah's purpose in coming.
Good Friday was the day of the Passover celebration and the day that the Passover lamb was to be sacrificed. For the previous 1,200 years, the priest would blow the shophar (ram's horn) at 3:00 p.m. - the moment the lamb was sacrificed, and all the people would pause to contemplate the sacrifice for sins on behalf of the people of Israel. On Good Friday at 3:00, when Jesus was being crucified, He said, "It is finished" - at the moment that the Passover lamb was sacrificed and the shophar was blown from the Temple. The sacrifice of the lamb of God was fulfilled at the hour that the symbolic animal sacrifice usually took place. At the same time, the veil of the Temple (a three-inch thick, several story high cloth that demarked the Holy of Holies) tore from top to bottom - representing a removal of the separation between God and man. Fifty days later, on the anniversary of the giving of the law (Pentecost), God left the earthly temple to inhabit those who call on the name of Jesus through His Holy Spirit.
The festival of unleavened bread began Friday evening (at sunset). As part of the festival, the Jews would take some of the grain - the "first fruits" of their harvest - to the Temple to offer as a sacrifice. In so doing, they were offering God all they had and trusting Him to proved the rest of the harvest. It was at this point that Jesus was buried - planted in the ground - as He said right before His death. Paul refers to Jesus as the first fruits of those raised from the dead in 1 Corinthians. As such, Jesus represents the fulfillment of God's promise to provide the rest of the harvest - resurrection of those who follow the Messiah. Christian symbolism in the Passover occurs early in the Seder (the Passover dinner). Three matzahs are put together (representing the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). The middle matzah is broken, wrapped in a white cloth, and hidden, representing the death and burial of Jesus. The matzah itself is designed to represent Jesus, since it is striped and pierced, which was prophesized by Isaiah, David, and Zechariah. Following the Seder meal, the "buried" matzah is "resurrected," which was foretold in the prophecies of David.

 

[greatkraw]

there are well meaning people who have been told to believe that Jesus' blood was gathered into a bowl and taken to heaven

Jesus did not bleed to death; He chose to BREATH his last
He gave up the ghost
a man's life is in his BREATH

pouring out the blood of sacrificial animal was to SYMBOLISE

pouring out the LIFE of the lamb of GOD

 

[VW]

If ever a person stands before the Holy Father, that one will know why blood is needed for the remission of sins. But just any blood would not gain one access into the presence of the Father, only the blood of the Son, given in His love for us. The blood of goats and bulls was not given, it was taken. Jesus said that He has come to give His life for the sheep, and that He would take it up again, because He had this commandment from the Father. He went on to say that He would lay down His life for the sheep, and would take it up again, and for this reason the Father loves Him. God is so holy, so pure, so perfect, and we are not except in Jesus Christ. His blood makes this new birth possible, but more His laying down His life and taking it up again. The forgiveness of sins is not salvation, but rather having new life from God. Our complete salvation includes forgiveness, new life, new birth, adoption as children, introduction into His family and complete freedom to come into the presence of the living God. This last is where the blood is most needed, as we find when we find ourselves in His presence. I have heard the Lord say that we must be joined to Him in His death, His burial, and His resurrection, each as one with Him. If we do not want to partake of one of these, He wont make us. But as He identified Himself with every aspect of our death and separation from the Father, so we should identify with His every aspect of His relationship with the Father. This is being in Christ, and His being in us.

 

[shad]

there are well meaning people who have been told to believe that Jesus' blood was gathered into a bowl and taken to heaven

Jesus did not bleed to death; He chose to BREATH his last
He gave up the ghost
a man's life is in his BREATH

pouring out the blood of sacrificial animal was to SYMBOLISE

pouring out the LIFE of the lamb of GOD

Let's be also practical for a minute. Jesus Christ was a man like you and I and being made in the likeness of sinful flesh was made of flesh and blood and bones, yet without the stain of sin or any sin nature. If you remove all the blood from His body he wouldn't be able to breath just like you or me. He gave up his spirit unto the Father before He lost all His blood obviously, but all of it was spilt, every last drop of His precious blood for every last sin that all of man would be guilty of. Jesus Christ was the propitiation for our sins and for the sins of the whole world.

Propitiation means that He became the mercy seat. It was on that mercy seat that the blood was applied for the Father's sake, so that we could be accepted by the Father through that blood. It was not a spiritual act it was a literal act of mercy. God being born of a virgin without sin was literal. His incarnation of the word becoming flesh was literal because it really happened and people witnessed it. When He was crucified, when He shed His blood, when He died and was resurrected from the dead, it was all literal and then He ascended up into heaven before the eyes of the apostles. If all these things were literally true because they literally happened and all the prophesies concerning Him were literally fulfilled, what do we have to make the blood He shed for the remission of sins some spiritual thing and not a literal act of mercy and grace?

Don't tell me when we get saved through Christ that Jesus Christ, as our advocate, doesn't point to the blood on that mercy seat and remind the Father that He has to accept us based on that literal blood that was shed and paid for all of my sins. Not one sin was left unpaid for! That is what Christ does as our advocate, (pleading our case) and He is our mediator because He is the one who literally died and shed His blood. Try telling Jesus Christ that it was not His literal blood that saves us and cleanses us from all sin, including purging all the dead works from our conscience. Try telling Him that all He had to do is just die for us and that shedding His blood was unnecessary. I don't want to be the one that tramples on His blood in that manner, do you?

 

[VW]

Let's be also practical for a minute. Jesus Christ was a man like you and I and being made in the likeness of sinful flesh was made of flesh and blood and bones, yet without the stain of sin or any sin nature. If you remove all the blood from His body he wouldn't be able to breath just like you or me. He gave up his spirit unto the Father before He lost all His blood obviously, but all of it was spilt, every last drop of His precious blood for every last sin that all of man would be guilty of. Jesus Christ was the propitiation for our sins and for the sins of the whole world.

Propitiation means that He became the mercy seat. It was on that mercy seat that the blood was applied for the Father's sake, so that we could be accepted by the Father through that blood. It was not a spiritual act it was a literal act of mercy. God being born of a virgin without sin was literal. His incarnation of the word becoming flesh was literal because it really happened and people witnessed it. When He was crucified, when He shed His blood, when He died and was resurrected from the dead, it was all literal and then He ascended up into heaven before the eyes of the apostles. If all these things were literally true because they literally happened and all the prophesies concerning Him were literally fulfilled, what do we have to make the blood He shed for the remission of sins some spiritual thing and not a literal act of mercy and grace?

Don't tell me when we get saved through Christ that Jesus Christ, as our advocate, doesn't point to the blood on that mercy seat and remind the Father that He has to accept us based on that literal blood that was shed and paid for all of my sins. Not one sin was left unpaid for! That is what Christ does as our advocate, (pleading our case) and He is our mediator because He is the one who literally died and shed His blood. Try telling Jesus Christ that it was not His literal blood that saves us and cleanses us from all sin, including purging all the dead works from our conscience. Try telling Him that all He had to do is just die for us and that shedding His blood was unnecessary. I don't want to be the one that tramples on His blood in that manner, do you?

I do not see this as being what Greatkraw was saying. Not in any way was he denying the power or the holiness of the blood of Jesus. He is right, Jesus did not bleed to death, but gave up the ghost, and breathed His last on the cross. In fact, this was to fulfill prophecy, saying that not one bone would be broken. The Romans had a habit of breaking the legs of those crucified after a time to speed up their death, as being able to raise oneself up with their legs prolongs the agony and the time needed to die. Jesus died on His own, gave up His life, as He said He would, so that He could take it up again as His Father commanded Him to do. A subtle distinction, but important. And as an added result, His side was prieced with a spear, also to fulfill prophecy.

It is through His blood that we have access to the Father. It is through His resurrection that we have life.

 

[loveschild]

Jesus was beaten to pieces. All of his blood was shed. After all the blood was gone even water came out of him. Its the blood of the lamb that saved us.
All the breath stuff I have no idea what that is. The breath didn't save us.
He breathed life into Adam.
His blood was freely given to us for our sins.
Need to be careful not to mislead people.
Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.

 

[VW]

Jesus was beaten to pieces. All of his blood was shed. After all the blood was gone even water came out of him. Its the blood of the lamb that saved us.
All the breath stuff I have no idea what that is. The breath didn't save us.
He breathed life into Adam.
His blood was freely given to us for our sins.
Need to be careful not to mislead people.
Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.

Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal, and kill, and destroy; I came that they might have life, and might have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd, the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. He who is a hireling, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, beholds the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep, and flees, and the wolf snatches them, and scatters them. He flees because he is a hireling, and is not concerned about the sheep. I am the good shepherd; and I know My own, and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they shall hear My voice; and they shall become one flock with one shepherd. For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down my life that I may take it again. No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I Have authority to take it up again. This commandment I have received from the Father.

This is what the breath is about, His life given for us freely, not taken, but given for us. And for us, He took it up again, that in His life we might have life.

Some days past, I was asked by a religious person, seeking to debate things, if Jesus died for everyone's sins. And I said "of course." And he said that this could not be true, because not everyone is saved.

Jesus died for the sins of the world, every sin, all sin, for all time, once and for all. But not all are saved. This is evident. We are washed in His blood, but we live in His life, as we were crucified with Him, and buried with Him, and so we have been raised with Him. These are the beginnings of salvation. We are in Him, in His life now, or we are not His.

Not one bone was broken in Him when He was beaten. I do not understand where this comes from, that He needed to bleed all of His blood out for us. His blood is such that one drop would be enough to cleanse the entire creation.