Question about hell

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sonicplasma

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Hello all i have a question that has been haunting me awhile.Does God really send/allow people to end up in hell?I have given my life to Jesus awhile ago and became a born again christian.But i cant shake this one question which is could i wish hell and all of its pain on anyone and i cant.So here is the question why would God allow it on people?I mean iam far from perfect but in my imperfection i cant wish it on my worst enemy least of all some people who try but fail to be good.I mean i know of some people who are other religions or are non believers who has such a nice person inside of them how and why do they end up in painfull place like that?I cant wrap my head around it God says he is good and i believe it just this one thing i cant shake how someone good can allow this one really big thing.
 
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It's the "eternal conscience torment" or "annihilation" question.

I always believed hell was eternal torment.
 
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We all have a choice if we will end up there or not... ;)
 
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Apparently, we just aren't capable of viewing sin the way God does.
We are sinners.
God is holy and righteous.
Our view of sin just isn't the same as his... therefore our punishment for sin would not be the same as his.

Apparently, when God's own creations ignore Him, deny him, strive against Him, say they don't need Him, say they don't want Him, ignore the great sacrifice he made to save them, and even say he doesn't exist...
apparently God considers that a pretty serious thing.

Keep in mind, the book of Proverbs says God's wisdom is constantly calling out to us, constantly beckoning us from every direction, constantly crying out to us day and night, to get our attention.
To end up in Hell, we'd have to ignore God every second of every minute of every day... for our entire life.

So... if every second, every minute, every day of your entire life... God is calling out to you, beckoning, crying out for your attention... and with all of that you still choose to ignore your own creator, ignore him, deny him, strive against him, say you don't need him, say you don't need his perfect sacrifice to save you, even say he doesn't exist...
every second of every day...
while he constantly calls out to you...

well, that's a pretty serious thing.
 
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It is eternal separation from God. At the very end there will be a lake of fire once the fuel is burned up the fire goes out eternal non-existence. Malachi 4:3 Wicked ashes under righteous feet.
 
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I used to believe in hell as an eternal place of torment... That was until I stopped believing what everyone told me and studied to see what God really said about hell in the Bible. I have since become 100% convinced that no hell is not an eternal place of torment for sinners but instead that sinners receive the penalty for their sins and then are burnt up like chaff and are simply no more. Jesus says the wages of sin is death, not an eternal life of suffering. I can go way more in depth and cover every verse that has to do with judgement day and hell and the usage of "forever" in the Bible etc if you want tomorrow or something. But don't just take my word for it, it's something you have to study for yourself.

As far as I'm concerned it's just a really horrible deception that has it's roots in pagan religions and the Catholic church and greek mythology that still plagues the Christian community today, making us all have deep resentment towards God
 
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JesusLives said:
It is eternal separation from God. At the very end there will be a lake of fire once the fuel is burned up the fire goes out eternal non-existence. Malachi 4:3 Wicked ashes under righteous feet.
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If god is omnipresent, then how can someone be seperated from him?
 
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I used to believe in hell as an eternal place of torment... That was until I stopped believing what everyone told me and studied to see what God really said about hell in the Bible. I have since become 100% convinced that no hell is not an eternal place of torment for sinners but instead that sinners receive the penalty for their sins and then are burnt up like chaff and are simply no more. Jesus says the wages of sin is death, not an eternal life of suffering. I can go way more in depth and cover every verse that has to do with judgement day and hell and the usage of "forever" in the Bible etc if you want tomorrow or something. But don't just take my word for it, it's something you have to study for yourself.

As far as I'm concerned it's just a really horrible deception that has it's roots in pagan religions and the Catholic church and greek mythology that still plagues the Christian community today, making us all have deep resentment towards God
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I agree with JustinFromTwinCities. Of course, it is far better to live in Christ forever. Those who do not, as I see it, are destroyed and are no more. There are a few scriptures that seem to indicate eternal suffering or torment, but to me these are parable phrases indicating that the destruction is permanent, that the destruction lasts forever and is not revoked. There are a lot of scriptures that seems to me to indicate complete destruction rather than continuation. However, the Good News is that God made a plan so that we can have life and not death. "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. " 'Were dead' means were dead in trespasses and sins and to live means to be born anew in the inner man. That person shall never die from that point on, even if the body dies (perhaps temporarily).
 
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I would love for hell to be temporary. But in the verse:

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

doesn't the word "eternal" mean the same in the Greek? So if eternal life in hell is eternal then ours in heaven is also. If hell is temporary "eternal" life then our residence in Heaven is also temporary.

I don't know all the translation of the word eternal to make that conclusion. Someone else may be able to clear it up for us.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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As said, it is more about people choosing it than God sending them there (though he will eventually destroy it (?) with fire)

Your friends would never throw you off a cliff, but if you don't listen to their warnings and run away, you might fall off it by your own actions.
 
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sonicplasma

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i hear u on the choice thing i use to say the same thing but then i started asking people who turned away from God and even just non believer neither said they want to go to hell.So its not really theyre choice to go there they just dont or didnt follow christ that why they go there but it breaks my heart because even people i hate i dont want them to end up there i mean cmon its for eternity like imagine being punished every second of every day forever i cant wish that on anyone.Sometimes id wish they can go for an hour ^^ but God tuaght me to love and forgive but yet still everyday people go their against theyre will.I just mean i cant wrap my head around how God the ultimate being of goodness can do that.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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I feel the same way, I guess it's just that our standards are very different from God's. in all ways :/
 
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Jesus has the keys to Hades and death, we all know that Jesus is the Lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world to redeem the whole world. The scripture is plain when it tells us "That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe." (I Timothy 4:10). Jesus LOVED his enemies to the death and died for them! He also prayed for their forgiveness and as we all know God always hears his prayers. I don't look at hell as the result of God's hatered but his Holy wrath (wrath is deeply connected and intertwined with love). God is not a sadist who loves torturing people for all eternity, God is love beyond any human conception. The mystery is that there is hell because God is love and he does not want to force himself on people and they have the right to reject him for all eternity and God has to live with that hurt but I believe that just like the Father ran and embraced his prodigal, God will embrace everyone who cries out to him because God's compassion is stirred when people cry out from the depths of their hearts. It is sad to see a lot of churches teach that God wills to torture people, it is so not true because Jesus revealed a God who would do ANYTHING for this people beginning with giving up his only Son for us.....This is the God of the Bible according to me...Peace and love to you bro...Eternity in Christ :)
 
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sonicplasma

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i hear u man : (.I just tend or end up thinking of a story.If there is a reward for something and u dont end up getting the reward because u were slacking that already hurts right?Like in a competition its bad enough for a person who didnt finish 1st and didnt get the prize but that does not mean u need to stomp over this person because he didnt make it right?I mean thats just cruel i just think of those when they die and realise how much they lost by not making it to heaven but to make it worse they get stomped on and sent to hell.I just think man Gods all powerfull is there not or was there not any better way for eternal punishment?i mean dude thats rough.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Well, the thing is, it is not a competition, that is why we are saved by faith.
According to God, he made himself quite obvious to anyone who wants to "see" him.

I think the idea is that from HIS point of view, anyone who wants to be saved will be (by faith), and that those who are not saved were the ones who chose not to.
 
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rowboye

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There is no reward/punishment bro....we're saved by grace and grace alone, It was grace that kept me safe thus far and grace will lead me home. It is not some weird attempt to "please" God because we can't do that with our own strength but in Christ we are his precious children first more than anything. Just trust God....Jesus is the Human face of God so don't be afraid :)
 
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ColinCat said:
If god is omnipresent, then how can someone be seperated from him?
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If you no longer exist you are separated from God and everything else, be it physical or spiritual.
 
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