About disagreements on certain things

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my_adonai_

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When you read the word of GOD, it says that if a brother ever taken with fault, we who are spiritual should restore such one in the spirit of meekness, considering ourselves lest we also be tempted
and it continues to say that we should bear one anothers burden so as to fulfill the law of Christ
Galatians 6:1-2
Conjoined with scriptures from Ephesians chapters 4:30 onwards, the word of GOD counsels us to be tenderhearted, forgiving one another just as Christ for Gods sake forgave us.

And again in Matthew chapter 18 it mentions stages on which if a brother offends us, or we see is in error we should take in order to restore such a person in the right path

from the first verse, this is what i understand
1) We must handle things Spiritually, in the most babe terms, we should listen to the inward witness of the Holy Spirit on how to answer a certain brother who we think is in error, or has posted something that is not in line with the Word of GOD. The word of GOD says in 1 cor chapter 2 that have the mind of Christ and again in Timothy tells us to study to show ourselves approved of all which are governed by the Holy Spirit of GOD.
These verses points out to us that must be thinking the way Jesus does, in situations of disagreements, confrontations, or arguments.
Would He focus on wanting to be right more than saving the soul that is in error?
Would He be rude, un polite, inconsiderate?
Would He discern the readiness of the heart that HE is trying to correct and know which approach to take? or would he just bash out the truth on his or her face?
Would He concern Himself more with HIS own state of not being owed the blood of the Person?or would HE love the other just as HE loves Himself?

We understand that JESUS took so much care and love towards us that HE risked it all in Heaven and came FOR US. Not that HE may be glorified, or that He my sit at the right hand of the Father, but that we may all Saved. He did it selflessly.

2) We understand that the bible says we should consider ourselves, it is saying that whatever made our brother to fall could also make us to fall. So before we venture into correcting someone, we could ask GOD if we are fully equipped for the matter? or if GOD wants us to speak into the matter!!

3) We should bear each others burden, when a brethren confesses His/her fault to you and GOD indeed has given you the go ahead to speak something into the matter. Do you end there? or should pray through the problem until we make sure the brethren is in better shape? Some people GOD leads us to pray for, and those HE leads us to pray for, He can put a timescale on the matter. So at times we think that we should pray for the person for 5 minutes and its ok, but its not. God would be prompting us to pray for that person everyday, loving them as you love yourself. ie If you love you, you pray for you everyday, if you love you, when you are going through a tough time, you would cry and sob before GOD to save you from the calamity. And GOD in such situations would be reminding you that, DO THE SAME.

Think on the mercies and compassions of GOD that are new everyday towards us. He never sleeps He never slumbers, He never quits correcting us even if we do the same mistake. He wants to be there for us and is always there for us.
So much more should we not be for the brethren?When GOD gave us specific commandment to Love another.

SELAH!!

Be blessed,
 
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Ukorin

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#2
Disagreement tests our assumptions, in those who are actually discussing, rather than when we find ourselves just preaching.
Faith grows when when tested, and assurance with affirmation, and maturity with rebuke.
90% of the active members here, I see as fellow workers,
not souls to save.

Reconciliation is a two way street, whereas forgiveness is individual.

On the other hand, we are called to not entertain divisive persons or heresies. Sometimes the "evangelical push" keeps us in debates longer than we should be there.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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#3
there is one thing left out of this analysis...sometimes the sad truth is that we are not really dealing with a 'brother' at all...there are times when we must discern that we are dealing with a wolf in sheep's clothing...

and in those cases...all of the verses about how to deal with disputes among the brethren simply do not apply...
 

crossnote

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Nov 24, 2012
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when one reruns the same disagreement 10,000 times is when it all becomes irksome no matter how bona fide it is.
 
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elf3

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#5
Sometimes the "wolves" are hard to detect. We must be on constant guard.

We need to learn to pick and choose our battles like crossnote mentions. Many are arguing to "puff" themselves up or just to argue. But we must always be prepared to defend the Word of God with love and patience.

There can sometimes be a fine line between both. Prayer is our most powerful weapon against both.
 

JesusLives

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Oct 11, 2013
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#6
when one reruns the same disagreement 10,000 times is when it all becomes irksome no matter how bona fide it is.
I disagree with that.......Good morning from the Blond........cause some have been at least 20,0000 times.......lol
 
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elf3

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#7
I disagree with that.......Good morning from the Blond........cause some have been at least 20,0000 times.......lol
Should we use the word "plethora"? Lol
 

JesusLives

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when one reruns the same disagreement 10,000 times is when it all becomes irksome no matter how bona fide it is.

I failed to mention that you must have gotten your word dictionary out....I like irksome and bone E Fide.....they are fun words too......lol Let's see you disagree with that.....don't make me rapture you outta here.....lol
 
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elf3

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#10
I disagree with that.......Good morning from the Blond........cause some have been at least 20,0000 times.......lol
Tiresome is another word we could use. Obnoxious maybe? How about the word "sad" because they all end up the same way...hundreds of posts without any real conclusion as al are set in their belief no matter which side of the argument they are on.

We are called to lift each other up and all these "forums" do is end up tearing someone down. Now I agree weare to defend our belief but if we have to rehash it a plethora amount of times it gets obnoxiously, tiresome and sad.
 

JesusLives

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It really is sad I do agree with that and I have learned when there are certain folks that this Blond will go in state her case and leave as it is the NEVER ENDING argument as a tennis match watching the ball go back and forth with no one dropping the ball learning a thing or conceding the point...... Called plant the seed let God help it grow and dust your feet off and move on.....Hard headed, hearted people just don't listen much less learn.... so no need to continue the argument..... I really like your attributes of God thread lots. Should probably visit there again....elf3
 
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oldthennew

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#13
when one reruns the same disagreement 10,000 times is when it all becomes irksome no matter how bona fide it is.
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I try to take my irksomes and turn them into naps-fishing-studying-walking-reading-listening....
and learning/discerning when to say good-by, adios, say-la-vee..with a clear conscience.:)
 
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elf3

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#14
It really is sad I do agree with that and I have learned when there are certain folks that this Blond will go in state her case and leave as it is the NEVER ENDING argument as a tennis match watching the ball go back and forth with no one dropping the ball learning a thing or conceding the point...... Called plant the seed let God help it grow and dust your feet off and move on.....Hard headed, hearted people just don't listen much less learn.... so no need to continue the argument..... I really like your attributes of God thread lots. Should probably visit there again....elf3
Thank you :) we are looking at the way God shares knowledge with is. I tried to set it up as an actual study where we can all learn from Gods Word and from each other lifting each other up. I pretty much just allow they Holy Spirit to work in each of us through the study.

I'll probably go to the next attribute soon. :) I am trying to not rush it to allow for comments, learning and understanding.
 
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pastac

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#15
here is a list for you to pick from and then understand how we often feel even as Christians lol just pick what fits. Doesn't mean we don't love the Lord but sometimes folks make us feel these emotions
pastac

authoritarian, barbed, basic, besetting, biting, bitter, bleak, blunt, bothersome, brisk, bristly, brusque, burdensome, caterwauling, caustic, censorious, chafing, chilly, cool, correct, cramping, creaky, crisp, critical, cruel, crushing, curt, cutting, demanding, disagreeable, disciplined, distressful, dour, Draconian, dry, ear-piercing, exacting, excruciating, frosty, fundamental, gnawing, grating, grievous, grim, grueling, gruff, harrowing, harsh, hidebound, high-pitched, hoarse, horrendous, hurtful, icy, imperial, inflaming, inflexible, insufferable, intense, intolerant, irksome, irritating, jagged, jangling, jarring, keen, lean, meticulous, miserable, needle-like, needle-point, obdurate, obstinate, odious, offensive, oppressive, painful, penetrating, piercing, piquant, pointed, pointy, precise, prickly, prudish, puritanical, rasping, raucous, raw, razor-edged, reedy, relentless, rigid, rigorous, sagittal, scraping, scratching, screaming, screeching, severe, sharp, short, shrieking, shrill, smarting, sore, spare, Spartan, spear-like, spiked, spiky, spinous, spiny, squeaky, squealing, stabbing, stark, stern, stiff-necked, stinging, strait-laced, strict, strident, stringent, tart, thistly, thorny, throbbing, tormenting, torturing, treble, troublesome, trying, unbearable, unbending, uncomfortable, uncompromising, unpleasant, whining, whistling, withering, woeful, wrenching.
 
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elf3

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here is a list for you to pick from and then understand how we often feel even as Christians lol just pick what fits. Doesn't mean we don't love the Lord but sometimes folks make us feel these emotions
pastac

authoritarian, barbed, basic, besetting, biting, bitter, bleak, blunt, bothersome, brisk, bristly, brusque, burdensome, caterwauling, caustic, censorious, chafing, chilly, cool, correct, cramping, creaky, crisp, critical, cruel, crushing, curt, cutting, demanding, disagreeable, disciplined, distressful, dour, Draconian, dry, ear-piercing, exacting, excruciating, frosty, fundamental, gnawing, grating, grievous, grim, grueling, gruff, harrowing, harsh, hidebound, high-pitched, hoarse, horrendous, hurtful, icy, imperial, inflaming, inflexible, insufferable, intense, intolerant, irksome, irritating, jagged, jangling, jarring, keen, lean, meticulous, miserable, needle-like, needle-point, obdurate, obstinate, odious, offensive, oppressive, painful, penetrating, piercing, piquant, pointed, pointy, precise, prickly, prudish, puritanical, rasping, raucous, raw, razor-edged, reedy, relentless, rigid, rigorous, sagittal, scraping, scratching, screaming, screeching, severe, sharp, short, shrieking, shrill, smarting, sore, spare, Spartan, spear-like, spiked, spiky, spinous, spiny, squeaky, squealing, stabbing, stark, stern, stiff-necked, stinging, strait-laced, strict, strident, stringent, tart, thistly, thorny, throbbing, tormenting, torturing, treble, troublesome, trying, unbearable, unbending, uncomfortable, uncompromising, unpleasant, whining, whistling, withering, woeful, wrenching.
Can we pick all lol

And to think one word could change all of these arguments...love
 
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pastac

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#17
lol lol lol I know right
pastac
 
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pastac

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#18
How about the Word! Changing these feelings ect.... good point
pastac
 
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elf3

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#19
I think JesusLives makes a great point in saying "post then leave". If we post Biblical truth then the Holy Spirit will use it to touch others. We are only to plant the seed, the Holy Spirit does the work. We use our knowledge to "look" good and seem smart but knowledge is actually supposed to be used to teach others. We "hoard" knowledge and use it only to argue. There are three ways I find that a Biblical lie is exposed; it will always end up in a circle argument never getting out of the circle, it will always back a person into a corner they cant get out of or they will always contradict themselves either with Scripture or their own words. Biblical truth will always in every way point to Jesus. Before i post anything "major" i have gotten into a habit of writing it out on paper first then "proofing" it against the Bible. If i find something that doesn't "fit" Scripture then i will study the subject more before i post. First and foremost i pray for guidance by the Holy Spirit to teach me truth. All of my knowledge is not mine but what the Holy Spirit has taught me and i cannot wait for Him to teach me more! I will say "this is what the Holy Spirit showed me" not "look what i learned".
 
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Marian29

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#20
When you read the word of GOD, it says that if a brother ever taken with fault, we who are spiritual should restore such one in the spirit of meekness, considering ourselves lest we also be tempted
and it continues to say that we should bear one anothers burden so as to fulfill the law of Christ
Galatians 6:1-2
Conjoined with scriptures from Ephesians chapters 4:30 onwards, the word of GOD counsels us to be tenderhearted, forgiving one another just as Christ for Gods sake forgave us.

And again in Matthew chapter 18 it mentions stages on which if a brother offends us, or we see is in error we should take in order to restore such a person in the right path

from the first verse, this is what i understand
1) We must handle things Spiritually, in the most babe terms, we should listen to the inward witness of the Holy Spirit on how to answer a certain brother who we think is in error, or has posted something that is not in line with the Word of GOD. The word of GOD says in 1 cor chapter 2 that have the mind of Christ and again in Timothy tells us to study to show ourselves approved of all which are governed by the Holy Spirit of GOD.
These verses points out to us that must be thinking the way Jesus does, in situations of disagreements, confrontations, or arguments.
Would He focus on wanting to be right more than saving the soul that is in error?
Would He be rude, un polite, inconsiderate?
Would He discern the readiness of the heart that HE is trying to correct and know which approach to take? or would he just bash out the truth on his or her face?
Would He concern Himself more with HIS own state of not being owed the blood of the Person?or would HE love the other just as HE loves Himself?

We understand that JESUS took so much care and love towards us that HE risked it all in Heaven and came FOR US. Not that HE may be glorified, or that He my sit at the right hand of the Father, but that we may all Saved. He did it selflessly.

2) We understand that the bible says we should consider ourselves, it is saying that whatever made our brother to fall could also make us to fall. So before we venture into correcting someone, we could ask GOD if we are fully equipped for the matter? or if GOD wants us to speak into the matter!!

3) We should bear each others burden, when a brethren confesses His/her fault to you and GOD indeed has given you the go ahead to speak something into the matter. Do you end there? or should pray through the problem until we make sure the brethren is in better shape? Some people GOD leads us to pray for, and those HE leads us to pray for, He can put a timescale on the matter. So at times we think that we should pray for the person for 5 minutes and its ok, but its not. God would be prompting us to pray for that person everyday, loving them as you love yourself. ie If you love you, you pray for you everyday, if you love you, when you are going through a tough time, you would cry and sob before GOD to save you from the calamity. And GOD in such situations would be reminding you that, DO THE SAME.

Think on the mercies and compassions of GOD that are new everyday towards us. He never sleeps He never slumbers, He never quits correcting us even if we do the same mistake. He wants to be there for us and is always there for us.
So much more should we not be for the brethren?When GOD gave us specific commandment to Love another.

SELAH!!

Be blessed,
Forgiveness is a gift from heaven. You won't forgive instantly someone who have hurt you a great part of your life, but instantly, as the Holy Spirit start working in your life, God starts to remodel your heart, actually He gives you a new one, and when your mind goes to those old remembrances, your heart starts to work differently about it... and you just starts getting better, and better about the problem that used to hurt you every time you used to think about it. Isn't God great?...