The End of the AGE

dcontroversal · Jan 28, 2015

How many people believe that the end of the age is close at hand?
What scriptures, views, ideas, world events lead you to this conclusion?
Even though no man can predict an accurate date...how much time do you think we have?

I believe the following....pay particular attention to the math.....I also believe that the U.S. will be devastated sometime early and or before the beginning of the tribulation period by a coordinated strike instigated by Iran, Turkey and Egypt with Russia being the backbone of the strike.

Daniel 9:2 sets forth there is to be 70 years of Babylonian Captivity and that it was about to be fulfilled..
Verse 24-->God is yet to deal with Israel for another 70 weeks (490 years) 70 times 7
Verse 25-->From command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem unto the Messiah which is to be 69 weeks (483) years
This was fulfilled at the Baptism and recognition of Jesus by the Father
To understand the (62) weeks of verse 26 you must study Ezra and Nehemiah
There is a period of about 52.5 years between the First Command and the Completion in verse 26
After the 483 years and Jesus identified as the Messiah by John at Jesus' Baptism
434 years after the rebuilding of the Temple the Messiah shall be cut off (Crucifixion)
The people of the prince that shall come (Titus) destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
The 490 years (70 weeks) were put on hold (if you will) after the 486 years which leaves 1290 days left to complete the 490 years

NOTE ABOVE 434+52.5=486.5<-----3.5 years left to wrath when it starts with the opening of the 1st seal!

Angela53510 · Jan 28, 2015

Idle speculation!

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only" Matt 24:36

Butch5 · Jan 28, 2015

Angela53510 said:

Actually, that passage says, 'no one has known'. It says nothing about knowing in the future.

Butch5 · Jan 28, 2015

dcontroversal said:

I believe we are very close, within a generation. There is a lot of evidence I could present but it doesn't lend itself to forum as it would overwhelm the thread. I can say that the early Christians spoke of God dealing with man for 6000 years at which time He would conclude this age.

Here is a quote from Irenaeus, a disciple of Polycarp, a disciple of the apostle John.

Irenaeus, (AD, 120-202)

“But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that “many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” (Matt. 8:11)”
“[He gives this] as a summing up of the whole of that apostasy which has taken place during six thousand years. 3. For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: “Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works.” (Gen. 2:2) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; (2 Pet. 3:8) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year.”
“Thus, then, the six hundred years of Noah, in whose time the deluge occurred because of the apostasy, and the number of the cubits of the image for which these just men were sent into the fiery furnace, do indicate the number of the name of that man in whom is concentrated the whole apostasy of six thousand years, and unrighteousness, and wickedness, and false prophecy, and deception; for which things’ sake a cataclysm of fire shall also come [upon the earth].”
“These are [to take place] in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day, which has been sanctified, in which God rested from all the works which He created, which is the true Sabbath of the righteous, which they shall not be engaged in any earthly occupation; but shall have a table at hand prepared for them by God, supplying them with all sorts of dishes.”

Viligant_Warrior · Jan 28, 2015

Angela53510 said:

Butch5 said:

Uh ... no. To both of you.

Angela, the verse does not negate the ability to judge with some reasonable accuracy when the end times are drawing to a close. Butch, it isn't because is says "has known" because it doesn't. It reads in the Greek the same way it reads in the NASB, which I believe is the translation Angela used.

It simply says " ... of that day and hour ... " which means there is no way to know the specific time of Christ's rapture of the church, but once that happens we know that it will be at least seven years after that when He returns in judgment. Seven years by the Hebrew calendar is the length of the Tribulation, and the rapture happens before that starts, with a doubt. But no one is going to be able to say, "It is next Wednesday at 4:17 p.m. CST." Angela's verse precludes that from being a possibility.

And yes, the end times are drawing to a close. Call it a sense I have through the Holy Spirit.

kennethcadwell · Jan 28, 2015

Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Israel became a nation in 1948 and people that were born that year are still alive at 66-67 years of age, so I believe by this alone we have at least 33-34 years that the final 7 years can take place in.

We have the Roman empire reforming within the European union !!!!

We have Germany rising slowly up into their 4th Reich !!!

We have Russia trying to rise and force communism again !!!

We have ISIS rising to take over the middle east, hince 200 million man army !!!

And just this morning attacks from Hezbollah in Israel, that reports say came from Iran !!!

3Scoreand10 · Jan 28, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

Pslams tells us that man is given three score and ten years, so I consider a generation to be 70 years.
If that is true, then the man of sin will drive Israel into the Negev wilderness ( where they will be protected for 42 months) sometime before the spring of 2018.

dcontroversal · Jan 28, 2015

Angela53510 said:

Actually there are many chapters and verses that deal with the end of the age...if it was idle speculation and foolishness the Lord would not have inspired all the men who wrote about the end of the age to write what was written....mouthy, moronic comments was not the purpose of this thread!

dcontroversal · Jan 28, 2015

Viligant_Warrior said:

Uh ... no. To both of you.

Angela, the verse does not negate the ability to judge with some reasonable accuracy when the end times are drawing to a close. Butch, it isn't because is says "has known" because it doesn't. It reads in the Greek the same way it reads in the NASB, which I believe is the translation Angela used.

It simply says " ... of that day and hour ... " which means there is no way to know the specific time of Christ's rapture of the church, but once that happens we know that it will be at least seven years after that when He returns in judgment. Seven years by the Hebrew calendar is the length of the Tribulation, and the rapture happens before that starts, with a doubt. But no one is going to be able to say, "It is next Wednesday at 4:17 p.m. CST." Angela's verse precludes that from being a possibility.

And yes, the end times are drawing to a close. Call it a sense I have through the Holy Spirit.

Amen and I agree.....thanks for the reasonable, biblical, mature response.....!

dcontroversal · Jan 28, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

I like the list of the things you gave happening....I believe the generational statement was directed at those who were alive or born the year Israel became a nation...a generation being 70 years like 3Score has written means that we could possibly be down to 3-4 years before it all is completed, which means that MAYBE this year it could all come apart<---KEY word MAYBE!

Thanks for the input Kenneth!

dcontroversal · Jan 28, 2015

3Scoreand10 said:

This too is reasonable based upon the math.....thanks for the response neighbor HAHAH!

Butch5 · Jan 28, 2015

Viligant_Warrior said:

Actually, that not correct.

BGT Matthew 24:36 Περὶ δὲ τῆς ἡμέρας ἐκείνης καὶ ὥρας οὐδεὶς οἶδεν, οὐδὲ οἱ ἄγγελοι τῶν οὐρανῶν οὐδὲ ὁ υἱός, εἰ μὴ ὁ πατὴρ μόνος. (Mat 24:36 BGT)

Oiden is in the perfect tense. The perfect tense in Greek indicates a past completed action whose results continue to the present (the time of the speaker/writer). It is properly translated "has known".

Regarding the Tribulation it is before the rapture not after it.

dcontroversal · Jan 28, 2015

Butch5 said:

I believe we are very close, within a generation. There is a lot of evidence I could present but it doesn't lend itself to forum as it would overwhelm the thread. I can say that the early Christians spoke of God dealing with man for 6000 years at which time He would conclude this age.

Here is a quote from Irenaeus, a disciple of Polycarp, a disciple of the apostle John.

Irenaeus, (AD, 120-202)

“But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that “many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” (Matt. 8:11)”
“[He gives this] as a summing up of the whole of that apostasy which has taken place during six thousand years. 3. For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: “Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works.” (Gen. 2:2) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; (2 Pet. 3:8) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year.”
“Thus, then, the six hundred years of Noah, in whose time the deluge occurred because of the apostasy, and the number of the cubits of the image for which these just men were sent into the fiery furnace, do indicate the number of the name of that man in whom is concentrated the whole apostasy of six thousand years, and unrighteousness, and wickedness, and false prophecy, and deception; for which things’ sake a cataclysm of fire shall also come [upon the earth].”
“These are [to take place] in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day, which has been sanctified, in which God rested from all the works which He created, which is the true Sabbath of the righteous, which they shall not be engaged in any earthly occupation; but shall have a table at hand prepared for them by God, supplying them with all sorts of dishes.”

Amen and I appreciate the response and I wanted to add the quote was cool as well.........maybe someone so close to the 1st century A.D. had such insight....it does seem highly probable though.......!

Butch5 · Jan 28, 2015

Here are two more quotes.

Hippolytus, (AD, 170-236)
“And 6,000 years must needs be accomplished, in order that the Sabbath may come, the rest, the holy day “on which God rested from all His works.”[SUP]80I-11-80[/SUP] For the Sabbath is the type and emblem of the future kingdom of the saints, when they “shall reign with Christ,” when He comes from heaven, as John says in his Apocalypse: for “a day with the Lord is as a thousand years.” (Psalms 90:4) Since, then, in six days God made all things, it follows that 6,000 years must be fulfilled.”

Commodianus, (AD, 240)
“Adam was the first who fell, and that he might shun the precepts of God, Belial was his tempter by the lust of the palm tree. And he conferred on us also what he did, whether of good or of evil, as being the chief of all that was born from him; and thence we die by his means, as he himself, receding from the divine, became an outcast from the Word. We shall be immortal when six thousand years are accomplished.”
“This has pleased Christ, that the dead should rise again, yea, with their bodies; and those, too, whom in this world the fire has burned, when six thousand years are completed, and the world has come to an end. The heaven in the meantime is changed with an altered course, for then the wicked are burnt up with divine fire.”

dcontroversal · Jan 28, 2015

Butch5 said:

Here are two more quotes.

Hippolytus, (AD, 170-236)
“And 6,000 years must needs be accomplished, in order that the Sabbath may come, the rest, the holy day “on which God rested from all His works.”[SUP]80I-11-80[/SUP] For the Sabbath is the type and emblem of the future kingdom of the saints, when they “shall reign with Christ,” when He comes from heaven, as John says in his Apocalypse: for “a day with the Lord is as a thousand years.” (Psalms 90:4) Since, then, in six days God made all things, it follows that 6,000 years must be fulfilled.”

Commodianus, (AD, 240)
“Adam was the first who fell, and that he might shun the precepts of God, Belial was his tempter by the lust of the palm tree. And he conferred on us also what he did, whether of good or of evil, as being the chief of all that was born from him; and thence we die by his means, as he himself, receding from the divine, became an outcast from the Word. We shall be immortal when six thousand years are accomplished.”
“This has pleased Christ, that the dead should rise again, yea, with their bodies; and those, too, whom in this world the fire has burned, when six thousand years are completed, and the world has come to an end. The heaven in the meantime is changed with an altered course, for then the wicked are burnt up with divine fire.”

Very interesting to see these quotes from the men who lived so long ago...men who acknowledge faith into Jesus and somewhat studied the word.......thanks....!

Nautilus · Jan 28, 2015

Honestly it could come in 20 minutes or 20 decades. I don't care and don't understand why others obsess over it.

kennethcadwell · Jan 28, 2015

3Scoreand10 said:

dcontroversal said:

Yes I know of the generation being 70 years, as I was just referring to the probability that if one or two people from that generation being born in 1948 lived to be 100 years old. This would mean we have at somewhere between now and 34 years from now for the final 7 years to take place.

I don't really believe it will take that long, and I do believe it will all kick off this year.
For one we have the final two blood moons that fall on feast days, which does not happen often, and around when it does major Jewish events have taken place. Plus we have a solar eclipse as well taking place this year.
( 4-4-15, 9-28-15, and the solar eclipse 3-20-15 )

Revelation talks of the 200 million man army that kills 1/3 or 2.3 billion people and where it comes from, as it comes from the Euphrates river. Now look at the maps;

dcontroversal · Jan 28, 2015

Nautilus said:

3 things...

1. There are hundreds of scriptures in context that deal with the coming of Jesus, the end of the age, the ushering in of the Kingdom of God etc. To say that one who wants to learn about these things is an obsession is foolish. It was important enough for God to inspire the men who wrote the bible to give us these truths and every word of God is inspired and valuable to the ones who want to know.
2. It is not an obsession to want to know and learn the word of God concerning any subject given in the bible.
3. You could have responded without the mouthy remark!

Angela53510 · Jan 28, 2015

Butch5 said:

VW has this part right! It is NOT the past tense, which "no one has known" would be. Not the aorist, but the perfect tense, used as a present tense meaning. (I used ESV, but NASB gets it right, too!)

As for knowing the future, that sounds too much like divination. To say nothing of the fact that people have been predicting the return of Jesus Christ since the time of early church. The Crusades is another wonderful example of eschatology gone totally wrong. The whole point was to capture Jerusalem so Jesus could return and stand on the Temple Mount. I guess they thought the first millennium was going to be the end?

I have to strenuously object to any scenario that places the US, or other military powers at the center of Jesus returning. There is no planet on which you can get that out of any Scripture of the Bible.

Just a very ethnocentric eschatology!

Butch5 · Jan 28, 2015

dcontroversal said:

It is. There are more from more writers too. Here is something else to consider.

KJV Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. (Gen 6:3 KJV)

The Hebrew word translated years also means cycles or a division of time. It doesn't have to mean a solar year. Consider that it means cycles or divisions of time. Man's days will be 120 cycles. God told the Israelites that when they went into the land that they were to farm the land for 6 years and let it rest on the 7th. They were to do this 7 times, a total of 49 years, and in the 50th year they were to proclaim a year of Jubilee where all debts were cancelled, slaves were set free, land reverted back to it's original owner, etc. This completed the cycle and then it began again. So the entire cycle was 50 years. God said that man's cycles would be 120 cycles. 120 X 50 = 6000

On a Biblical timeline God making that statement in Gen 6:3 falls on a Jubilee year.

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