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well Jesus was the Son of God, He had his own will yes. Jesus could not do whatever He liked, because He was not God (the Father). Even Jesus had to pray and ask God to send angels if he wanted them, further showing Jesus was not God (the Father).
But that was while Jesus was on earth. Since Jesus was crucified and resurrected, Jesus has been glorified and receive power of all things...
Eph 1:20 which He worked in Christ in raising Him from the dead, and He seated Him at His right hand in the heavenlies,
Eph 1:21 far above all principality and authority and power and dominion, and every name being named, not only in this world, but also in the coming age.
So while Jesus on earth was limited, now Jesus is promoted and He is more like God (the Father) than He was on the earth.
But that was while Jesus was on earth. Since Jesus was crucified and resurrected, Jesus has been glorified and receive power of all things...
Eph 1:20 which He worked in Christ in raising Him from the dead, and He seated Him at His right hand in the heavenlies,
Eph 1:21 far above all principality and authority and power and dominion, and every name being named, not only in this world, but also in the coming age.
So while Jesus on earth was limited, now Jesus is promoted and He is more like God (the Father) than He was on the earth.
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Charles, I think this is a great question because it is at the heart of our call from God Himself. Jesus is our ultimate example to follow and being that He did indeed have His own will but chose God's will, shows what a great sacrifice He made and what a great example He set for all of us to follow in surrendering our will to His. 
Well Jesus can't be the Son of God (which is what He called Himself) and God (the Father) at the same time. Although He is in the Father and the Father in Him. Jesus is "God the Son", always was, before the world was created, was on earth, and always will be. It's also blasphemy to say that we, as adopted sons of God, are like little Gods. The connection is, people think Jesus was God (the Father) despite being called the Son of God , and so they conclude that just because we are sons and daughters of God we must be God as well. That's a false teaching found from..benny hinn or those sorts of people. Jesus never called Himself the Father, and his apostles never called Jesus the Father.
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"Well Jesus can't be the Son of God (which is what He called Himself) and God (the Father) at the same time. Although He is in the Father and the Father in Him. Jesus is "God the Son", always was, before the world was created, was on earth, and always will be. It's also blasphemy to say that we, as adopted sons of God, are like little Gods. The connection is, people think Jesus was God (the Father) despite being called the Son of God , and so they conclude that just because we are sons and daughters of God we must be God as well. That's a false teaching found from..benny hinn or those sorts of people. Jesus never called Himself the Father, and his apostles never called Jesus the Father. "
Wow is this wrong. I hope your open brother because your opinion doesn't matter. "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Jn. 14:9 "are like little gods' you said is Blasphemy? Then Jesus committed blasphemy. "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If ye called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;" (Jn 10:34,35) And the most important fact of all is your repemption. When your given a new body it will be His body; why do you think we are called the body of Christ? "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God and JOINT-HEIRS with Christ." This word "joint-heirs" is "sugkieronomos" in Greek. Its a legal term that gives equality of possession. the reason the jews could not accept their own Messiah is because of their extreme position concerning monotheism. The lived during a time of extreme polytheism. For anyony to claim equality with God was beyond their ability to see ouside of their theological box. The same is true today. We can never claim equality as we think of it here on earth. This position of Joint-heirship is truly a gift that few understand. When your fully redeemed you will be perfected. You will be like Him.
Wow is this wrong. I hope your open brother because your opinion doesn't matter. "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Jn. 14:9 "are like little gods' you said is Blasphemy? Then Jesus committed blasphemy. "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If ye called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;" (Jn 10:34,35) And the most important fact of all is your repemption. When your given a new body it will be His body; why do you think we are called the body of Christ? "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God and JOINT-HEIRS with Christ." This word "joint-heirs" is "sugkieronomos" in Greek. Its a legal term that gives equality of possession. the reason the jews could not accept their own Messiah is because of their extreme position concerning monotheism. The lived during a time of extreme polytheism. For anyony to claim equality with God was beyond their ability to see ouside of their theological box. The same is true today. We can never claim equality as we think of it here on earth. This position of Joint-heirship is truly a gift that few understand. When your fully redeemed you will be perfected. You will be like Him.
Jesus showed the Father. Jesus was the exact representation/image of the Father. But Jesus was not the Father. It's saying that Jesus was the Father and the Son at the same time that leads to all the confusion.
Do you believe in the "little gods" doctrine then? Came from one of those tv evangelists I think, Hinn or Hagin or someone like that decades ago. It's been debunked as a false doctrine by most apologetics.
And more understanding of Jn 14:9 is required. Jesus was playing on words. In the old testament the word "gods" here means judges, those appointed by God to judge and rule His people. Jesus knew this but used the double meaning of gods to trip up his opponents. I don't have my bible with me right now, but if you read the following verse/s in those passages Jesus calls himself the Son of God, not God. Point proven.
Makes no sense, you are taking it too literally, we aren't given His actual body. Body of Christ is symbolic.
No, Jesus was not trying to get them to believe in polytheism. That's why Jesus made quite clear He was the Son of God, not God. We will be like Him, but we still won't be little gods. There will always only be one God, that's why Jesus , whilst everything is under His authority and power now, eventually everything including Christ will be returned under the authority of the Father.
Do you believe in the "little gods" doctrine then? Came from one of those tv evangelists I think, Hinn or Hagin or someone like that decades ago. It's been debunked as a false doctrine by most apologetics.
And more understanding of Jn 14:9 is required. Jesus was playing on words. In the old testament the word "gods" here means judges, those appointed by God to judge and rule His people. Jesus knew this but used the double meaning of gods to trip up his opponents. I don't have my bible with me right now, but if you read the following verse/s in those passages Jesus calls himself the Son of God, not God. Point proven.
Makes no sense, you are taking it too literally, we aren't given His actual body. Body of Christ is symbolic.
No, Jesus was not trying to get them to believe in polytheism. That's why Jesus made quite clear He was the Son of God, not God. We will be like Him, but we still won't be little gods. There will always only be one God, that's why Jesus , whilst everything is under His authority and power now, eventually everything including Christ will be returned under the authority of the Father.
well, we all know jesus was more than a man.
Col 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Col 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
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