Who was Jesus Praying to in the Bible?

Elijah19 · Jan 31, 2015

Thank you Butch5!

This is the real information I wanted to hear. The real thing that was confusing me was the logical fallacy you mentioned. I guess that where all my confusion is coming from is that all these people keep telling me that God "split himself" in order to come to earth as Jesus and "gave up his Godhead" but that he is God. I wish people would stop changing things around. So basically, the Trinity is Three persons consisting of the same form of creature which, by definition, is God?

krow · Jan 31, 2015

Elijah19 said:

Same essence, seem qualities and nature yes, but different roles in salvation. It's why when you see Jesus you can say you have also seen the Father. Jesus is the perfect representation of the Father, what He is like etc...

prove-all · Jan 31, 2015

As it says in A Handbook of Christian Truth, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the trinity.

He who would try to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind. But he who would deny the trinity will lose his soul.”
If you try to understand it, you’ll go crazy. And yet, if you reject it, you will supposedly lose your salvation!

Notice this candid remark from The New Catholic Encyclopedia: “It is difficult … to offer a clear, objective, and straightforward account of the revelation, doctrinal evolution, and the theological elaboration of the mystery of the trinity.”

The reason there is no straightforward explanation is because it’s not biblical. The word “trinity” is nowhere mentioned in God’s Word. And the few Bible passages that appear to support some kind of three-in-one concept have either been translated incorrectly or grossly misunderstood.

prove-all · Jan 31, 2015

Jesus Christ and the Father

1 John 5:7-8 is one of the first passages that proponents of the trinity doctrine will turn to: “For there are three that bear record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth], the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” The bracketed words in the verses quoted, however, were added by editors of the Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible—probably some time during the early fourth century.

The words do not appear in any of the older Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Without the spurious addition, the passage actually reads, “There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree”—not exactly the definition of a three-in-one godhead.

Now why would fourth-century editors feel compelled to insert these uninspired words into the Bible text? It’s because they were unable to prove their false theories using the inspired text of the Bible! The Bible’s description of God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit completely refutes the idea of a trinity.

For example, according to Matthew 1:18-20, Christ was not begotten by a human father, but by the Holy Spirit. This, however, does not mean the Holy Spirit was or is a distinct being. Otherwise, Christ would have prayed to the Spirit, instead of to the Father. Jesus called God His Father—not the Holy Spirit.

Yet He was conceived of the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 explains: “And the angel answered and said unto [Mary],
The Holy [Spirit] shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God” (emphasis added throughout).

Here we find a simple and straightforward definition of the Holy Spirit. It is the “power of the Highest”—God the Father! Verse 37 continues, “For with God nothing shall be impossible.” Indeed! That’s because of the tremendous power at His disposal

—the power of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ was begotten of the Father through the power of the Holy Spirit. That is the plain truth of your Bible.

prove-all · Jan 31, 2015

Why Is the Holy Spirit Referred to as “He”?
In John 14:15-16, Jesus said, “If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.” The Comforter is the Holy Spirit—and Christ said that God would send it in His name—the name of Jesus Christ (verse 26).

The pronouns “he” and “him” used here and in John 16:7, 13 are what some will refer to as another “proof” that the Holy Spirit is a third person in the godhead.

But in the Greek language, just like in many other languages, every noun, including inanimate objects, has a gender—either masculine, feminine or neuter.

The Greek word translated “Comforter” in these passages has a masculine gender, which is one reason why translators used the pronoun “he”—assuming they did this for grammatical reasons rather than theological ones. Whatever the reason, the best English translation would have been “it.”

But notice one other verse in this same biblical passage. It’s in John 15:26: “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.” Here again, this time in John’s Gospel, it says the Holy Spirit comes from the Father—it proceeds from God.

prove-all · Jan 31, 2015

Baptized in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit

One other passage commonly cited to “prove” the trinity is Matthew 28:19, which says, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy [Spirit].” But to say that this verse means there are three God beings in one is not being honest with God’s Word. Without question, the Father and Son are identified as two separate beings throughout the Scriptures. The same cannot be said about the Holy Spirit.

Far from proving that God is a trinity, when this verse in Matthew 28 is examined within the context of Christ’s true gospel message, it actually proves that God is a growing Family! The word “name” implies the totality of everything God embodies—including His character and composition.

Acts 2:38 says that after baptism, we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. God is the one who gives this gift (read Luke 11:13). So why must one be baptized into these three names—the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? What exactly did Christ mean by that in Matthew 28?

Well, as we saw with the example of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit—as the power that emanates from God—is the begetting agent that brings us into the God Family. “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God” (Romans 8:14). Ephesians 1:14 calls the Holy Spirit “the earnest of our inheritance.” It is a small token or pledge of what comes later—spiritual birth into God’s Family!

prove-all · Feb 1, 2015

“f the Holy Spirit of God dwells in someone, and he is being led by God’s Spirit,
then (Romans 8:14) he is a begotten son of God.

But, at the time of Christ’s return to Earth in supreme power and glory to set up the Kingdom of God, restoring the government of God abolished by Lucifer, then all being filled and led by God’s Spirit shall become born sons of God.

The God Family will then rule all nations with the government of God restored!

“The trinity doctrine limits God to a supposed three Persons. It destroys the very gospel of Jesus Christ!
His gospel is the good news of the now soon-coming Kingdom of God

the only hope of this world and its mixed-up mankind!”

By twisting and perverting God’s truth, Satan actually uses the trinity doctrine to slam the door shut on the truth about the ever expanding God Family. In actual fact, it is by the power of the Highest that God opens up His Family plan to all of mankind!

That awesome purpose and plan for man is revealed and thoroughly explained,
from beginning to end, in the book almost no one knows—the Holy Bible!

prove-all · Feb 1, 2015

Where is the Holy Spirits throne in the future?

Why not address him in any openning n.t. letters?,

God the father , also our savior, but not third person

jaybird88 · Feb 1, 2015

[SUP]Matthew 3
16 [/SUP]As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
the Almighty said He was his "Son" not this is "Me"
I never fully understood the trinity concept. I dont accept it nor reject it. its just something i dont fully understand. IMO as long as one accepts Jesus was the Son sent from the Father, I think you are ok. to fully understand everything that Jesus was might take a lifetime of spiritual knowledge and wisdom.

TheAristocat · Feb 1, 2015

Elijah19 said:

Yes, Jesus is God in a sense. But the New Testament most often refers to him as the Son of God - not God (i.e. he comes from God, but cannot simply be understood as God). In my opinion his Spirit is God's Spirit, but his flesh was human flesh. So at his very core we can say he is God, but that would be ignoring the physical nature of his birth. He had flesh and blood. He got hungry. He grew weak. He was tempted. He died. He was dead for three days. Who raised his body to life? I think there is definitely a difference between him and God. But the Spirit behind them is the same. Or so I believe.

VCO · Feb 1, 2015

Elijah19 said:

Apparently you were only half ways listening to what we have been telling you that we actually believe. I can tell that by the fact that you are quoting it inaccurately.

HE NEVER gave up His position in the GODhead, but rather temporarily set it aside, so that HE could become the PERFECT sacrificial lamb. That means, HE wanted to face the exact same temptations we do every day, and YET NOT SIN. HE did not cheat and use HIS Power and positional HOLINESS, HE actually resisted SIN as a human being.

NO WHERE IN OUR DOCTRINES HAVE WE EVER SAID GOD "split himself". We said GOD IS ALWAYS OMNIPRESENT, and therefore HE remained OMNIPRESENT even when PART OF HIMSELF ENTERED THE BODY OF JESUS IN THE WOMB OF MARY. HE literally became a man, so that HE, the ETERNAL GOD WHO CANNOT DIE, could taste DEATH for our SINS; thereby demonstrating PERFECT LOVE for us, by HIS own definition.

As for the Definition of the TRINITY that I prefer, I avoid saying three persons, because that seems to confuse those who are not yet born again. Therefore I prefer to say, GOD is a Triune being, which means that within HIMSELF are Three Natures that function as the personages of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

The Nature of the FATHER is to FUNCTION as the SHOTCALLER of the GODhead.

The Nature of the SON is to carry out and do the will of the FATHER.

The Nature of the Holy Spirit is to enable us to do the will of the FATHER, starting with believing in HIM.

There are NOT three Spirit in the GODhead, THERE IS ONLY ONE SPIRIT with three distinct Natures.

John 15:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.

If Jesus was only an Offspring of GOD, then GOD's example of Perfect LOVE is less than what a man could do. THEREFORE HE LITERALLY MEANT IT WHEN HE INSPIRED PAUL TO WRITE:

2 Corinthians 5:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

VCO · Feb 1, 2015

VCO said:

Apparently you were only half ways listening to what we have been telling you that we actually believe. I can tell that by the fact that you are quoting it inaccurately.

HE NEVER gave up His position in the GODhead, but rather temporarily set it aside, so that HE could become the PERFECT sacrificial lamb. That means, HE wanted to face the exact same temptations we do every day, and YET NOT SIN. HE did not cheat and use HIS Power and positional HOLINESS, HE actually resisted SIN as a human being.

NO WHERE IN OUR DOCTRINES HAVE WE EVER SAID GOD "split himself". We said GOD IS ALWAYS OMNIPRESENT, and therefore HE remained OMNIPRESENT even when PART OF HIMSELF ENTERED THE BODY OF JESUS IN THE WOMB OF MARY. HE literally became a man, so that HE, the ETERNAL GOD WHO CANNOT DIE, could taste DEATH for our SINS; thereby demonstrating PERFECT LOVE for us, by HIS own definition.

As for the Definition of the TRINITY that I prefer, I avoid saying three persons, because that seems to confuse those who are not yet born again. Therefore I prefer to say, GOD is a Triune being, which means that within HIMSELF are Three Natures that function as the personages of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

The Nature of the FATHER is to FUNCTION as the SHOTCALLER of the GODhead.

The Nature of the SON is to carry out and do the will of the FATHER.

The Nature of the Holy Spirit is to enable us to do the will of the FATHER, starting with believing in HIM.

There are NOT three Spirit in the GODhead, THERE IS ONLY ONE SPIRIT with three distinct Natures.

John 15:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.

If Jesus was only an Offspring of GOD, then GOD's example of Perfect LOVE is less than what a man could do. THEREFORE HE LITERALLY MEANT IT WHEN HE INSPIRED PAUL TO WRITE:

2 Corinthians 5:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

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In case my explanation of the THREE NATURES WITHIN GOD is still confusing.
The LORD just gave a different analogy to use.

IF you are a married Police Officer with children, YOU HAVE WITHIN YOURSELF THREE NATURES:

You have the Nature of a FATHER.

You have the Nature of a HUSBAND.

AND you have the Nature of a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

YET YOU ARE ONLY ONE HUMAN BEING, NOT THREE.

The same would be TRUE about the THREE NATURES WITHIN GOD.

THERE are NO dividing lines between the THREE NATURES of GOD.

The FATHER and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT are CO-EQUALLY GOD!

IloveGodforever2015 · Feb 1, 2015

Jesus was praying to God

VCO · Feb 1, 2015

Butch5 said:

Do YOU?

Acts 5:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the proceeds from the field?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Wasn’t it yours while you possessed it? And after it was sold, wasn’t it at your disposal? Why is it that you planned this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God!”

JaumeJ · Feb 1, 2015

Answering to the theme title only., when our Salvation, Jesus Christ, walked the earth, His earth, He was just like any other human, except that He knew His mission. He had te just like you and me in order to know how our weaknesses cause us to sin, yet, for us all, He overcame sin, and He did not sin. After He was crucified, and becme the First of the Resurrection, He was changed to His glorified Body, but not immediately, and He appeared to His disciples and many others for a period of forty days when He ascended to the Right Hand of God.

With this all in mind, it is easy to understand somewhat that He always prayed to His Father. This mystery will not be completely understood until God's chosen time because we know by Isaiah that "the Child to be born to us" would be called Everlasting Father , Prince of Peace, Counselor, Wonderful and Almighty God. Again, this mystery will be understood in its time. Meanwhile we are free to worship the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as God. Praise God, He is worthy, not we, amen.

noblindfaith · Feb 1, 2015

I looked at all the explanations provided to you. They are lame. It is so obvious but people just fail or refuse to grasp it.

What did Jesus say;

“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” [John 5:30]

Without God Jesus can do nothing. Just like us. People need to stop twisting the verses to fit in to the teachings of Paul. Jesus warned us of Paul.

“I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, which receive honor one of another?” — John 1:12

So when it comes time for us to meet God will you receive this rebuke for blindly following the crowd ?

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

So do the will of the father not Jesus and stop being lawless. Do what Jesus preaches and Jesus will not treat you with disdain in the end.

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p_rehbein · Feb 1, 2015

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I looked at all the explanations provided to you. They are lame. It is so obvious but people just fail or refuse to grasp it.

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Elin · Feb 1, 2015

Elijah19 said:

Almost. . .creatures are created.
The Trinity is not created, it is without beginning.

There are three divine spirit persons in the divine nature of the one God.

phil112 · Feb 1, 2015

Elijah19 said:

I was hoping that was a rhetorical question, but I see it isn't.
Of course He was praying to God.

I don't pay any attention to the "trinity" doctrine. Not even sure whether I agree with it, being as I have heard different people explain it differently.

The simple truth is that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost, are all one, in the respect that they have same mind, think exactly alike, and agree on all things. They are also three separate entities as evidenced by Matthew 3rd chapter, verses 16 and 17.

Clearly Christ was physically in the water, while the Spirit was coming from heaven, and God was speaking from heaven. Three separate persons in three different locations at the same point in time.

Elin · Feb 1, 2015

Butch5 said:

Agreed. . .and Scripture does not say "God is sovereign,"
nor does it say the nature of sonship to God is "relationship,"
but it reveals it nonetheless.

That there is no specific statement, "There is one being that consists of three persons,"
does not preclude the NT revelation of three divine persons in one divine being.

First of all, it is not the argument of man. It is NT revelation.

You agree that Jesus and the Father are both God, so the nature of the Holy Spirit is all there is to consider.

That issue is settled by Paul when he states "Jesus is the Spirit."
Jesus is God, and so the Holy Spirit is God.

Jesus is a person, and so the Holy Spirit is a person--he, him, his,
with personal functions: speaking (Ac 8:29), deciding (Ac 15:28), forbidding (Ac 16:7), testifying (Ac 5:32), sending out missionaries (Ac 13:14), interceding (Ro 8:26-27).

Scripture reveals three divine persons and one God.
It does not come from the mind of man.

The finite mind cannot understand nor explain it.
But that doesn't alter the revelation.

Perhaps you would like to give the Biblical meaning of "The Lord is the Spirit" in 2Co 3:17, 18,
remaining true to the words and the context.

Who was Jesus Praying to in the Bible?

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