Who was Jesus Praying to in the Bible?

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Elijah19

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Your first response to this question is going to be, "He was praying to God, obviously, who else?" So I know this sounds like an odd question, but I mean it from a completely different angle than you might have thought.

Consider this for a second here... really...

We as Christians believe (by majority, and myself included) that Jesus is God.

Yet Jesus prayed to God, and even asked God for His will instead of his own in Luke 22:42!

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet [/FONT]not my will, but yours[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] be done." ---Luke 22:42[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So basically, according to this verse, Jesus is [/FONT]praying to his God[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif], and asking for his [/FONT]separate and higher will[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]. Yet Jesus is supposed to [/FONT]be God[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] in my book! If Jesus is God, then why is He praying to God? Is He praying to Himself? And why is he asking God for His separate and higher will, yet not his own, if he is God?[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If one thing is made painfully clear from this verse, it is that Jesus believed the person he was talking to to be greater, higher, and wiser than Himself - as well as possessing a separate and higher will altogether. But I believe that Jesus is God, so how can I reconcile my belief with the verse which seems to refute it.[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Is Jesus talking to himself? The more I read it the verse, the more my belief in the Trinity seems to look less and less Biblical. [/FONT]Note that I am not trying to refute the belief in the Trinity here, but this is the one verse in the Bible that shakes my faith in it's scriptural authenticity. Either Jesus was talking to Himself and experiencing a split personality, or He was talking to Someone else. What's going on in this verse? Who was He talking to? It's obviously not Himself because the Entity has a separate opinion (according to Jesus), yet it has to be Himself because Jesus is God and there's no one else to pray to.

Now my mind is fried... :(
 
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i wish I can tell you the truth about the bible, but im not allow to. Sorry. Just have fun trying to figure it out. When he is ready he will teach you everything and show you the truth. Sorry he don't want me to tell you the truth. It will BLOW YOUR MIND. LOL Hint. Talk to someone and try to know everything about that person and tell everything about yourself to that person. If you are not afraid or shy to tell all your secret to that one person. Then you will know the truth. Have fun. I'm waiting for a friend. Can't talk much sorry.
 

birdie

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Jesus humbled himself and took upon himself the human form that he might be made like us but without sin."Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto hisbrethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people." (Heb 2:17) This means he was in a condition that required prayer, and trust in the Father aspect of the Godhead. Remember, the Father was free from these constraints and even privy to some special info like: "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only" Jesus, being a man was not privy to that info. It is said of Jesus in the Bible that he was a man. He was also the son of God according to scripture (Mat 3:17). Being both meant that in his human form he was totally trusting and relying upon the Father. If he had been a sinful man, he would not have totally trusted and relied upon God the Father. In the Spirit the two were one, but it was up to the Father to hear and answer the Son. To answer your question, Jesus was praying to God the Father, who was separate in the sense that he was not constrained by human form. It is not any different for true believers today. They become born anew in the spirit and start talking with God the Father. Romans 8:15 "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."
 
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i wish I can tell you the truth about the bible, but im not allow to. Sorry. Just have fun trying to figure it out. When he is ready he will teach you everything and show you the truth. Sorry he don't want me to tell you the truth. It will BLOW YOUR MIND. LOL Hint. Talk to someone and try to know everything about that person and tell everything about yourself to that person. If you are not afraid or shy to tell all your secret to that one person. Then you will know the truth. Have fun. I'm waiting for a friend. Can't talk much sorry.
So what information are you privvy to that no one else is?
 
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So what information are you privvy to that no one else is?
This is the second post i've seen by this person implying he has special answers, but revealing none. I think he just wants attention, perhaps a troll waiting to spring his trap? Whatever the case i am not intrigued as people with real knowledge and wisdom share it, not hoard it. If he had anything of value to say he'd say it.
 

breno785au

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i wish I can tell you the truth about the bible, but im not allow to. Sorry. Just have fun trying to figure it out. When he is ready he will teach you everything and show you the truth. Sorry he don't want me to tell you the truth. It will BLOW YOUR MIND. LOL Hint. Talk to someone and try to know everything about that person and tell everything about yourself to that person. If you are not afraid or shy to tell all your secret to that one person. Then you will know the truth. Have fun. I'm waiting for a friend. Can't talk much sorry.
Sorry but Jesus has already blown my mind :)
 
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Your first response to this question is going to be, "He was praying to God, obviously, who else?" So I know this sounds like an odd question, but I mean it from a completely different angle than you might have thought.

Consider this for a second here... really...

We as Christians believe (by majority, and myself included) that Jesus is God.

Yet Jesus prayed to God, and even asked God for His will instead of his own in Luke 22:42!

"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." ---Luke 22:42

So basically, according to this verse, Jesus is praying to his God, and asking for his separate and higher will. Yet Jesus is supposed to be God in my book! If Jesus is God, then why is He praying to God? Is He praying to Himself? And why is he asking God for His separate and higher will, yet not his own, if he is God?

If one thing is made painfully clear from this verse, it is that Jesus believed the person he was talking to to be greater, higher, and wiser than Himself - as well as possessing a separate and higher will altogether. But I believe that Jesus is God, so how can I reconcile my belief with the verse which seems to refute it.

Is Jesus talking to himself? The more I read it the verse, the more my belief in the Trinity seems to look less and less Biblical. Note that I am not trying to refute the belief in the Trinity here, but this is the one verse in the Bible that shakes my faith in it's scriptural authenticity. Either Jesus was talking to Himself and experiencing a split personality, or He was talking to Someone else. What's going on in this verse? Who was He talking to? It's obviously not Himself because the Entity has a separate opinion (according to Jesus), yet it has to be Himself because Jesus is God and there's no one else to pray to.

Now my mind is fried... :(
Peace be with you, dearly beloved sir Elijah19 and may GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you all with HIS kindness and peace.

To the Living GOD's word justification, above all creation, JESUS is their God. 'None' can go to GOD personally but only JESUS,HIS only begotten SON, who in HIS word, has introduced to all creation and have been proclaiming Him to all nations of all tongues and kindreds.

To JESUS, GOD is still HIS only FATHER. Since GOD is 'invisible', only CHRIST in the flesh and blood, being in the 'likeness' and 'fullness' of GOD, HIS FATHER can reveal GOD in 'person' to HIS creation. There is none other ever hold such an 'authority' and also GOD's power the HOLY SPIRIT, only JESUS, who is LORD JESUS CHRIST.

The Gospel was actually only 'accomplished' by the 'Trinity', action GOD, acted whole in three person, in one 'mind', 'heart', 'soul' and 'strength' in man, to man. No angels nor man nor any other creation had any part nor played a part in this 'victory on the Cross'.

If we ask or were to meet the True Living GOD today or whenever or forever, we and all of creation will only meet and see JESUS as GOD and GOD the FATHER fully in HIM.

i pray in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST you perceive this testimony of 'Trinity'.
 

p_rehbein

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Philippians 2:5 .) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 .) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 .) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 .) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 .) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 .) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 .) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


God the Father, God the Son...................Son prays to Father..............

The Holy Trinity will become clear to ALL one blessed day............Jesus, God the Son, while He was in His earthly form, was praying to I Am, God the Father..................
 

john832

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i wish I can tell you the truth about the bible, but im not allow to. Sorry. Just have fun trying to figure it out. When he is ready he will teach you everything and show you the truth. Sorry he don't want me to tell you the truth. It will BLOW YOUR MIND. LOL Hint. Talk to someone and try to know everything about that person and tell everything about yourself to that person. If you are not afraid or shy to tell all your secret to that one person. Then you will know the truth. Have fun. I'm waiting for a friend. Can't talk much sorry.
This is the second post i've seen by this person implying he has special answers, but revealing none. I think he just wants attention, perhaps a troll waiting to spring his trap? Whatever the case i am not intrigued as people with real knowledge and wisdom share it, not hoard it. If he had anything of value to say he'd say it.
Actually, I think it already happened to him.
 

p_rehbein

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Actually, I think it already happened to him.
Clarity can be found in the reading of Profile Pages...........About Me category............just saying.......... :)
 
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Your first response to this question is going to be, "He was praying to God, obviously, who else?" So I know this sounds like an odd question, but I mean it from a completely different angle than you might have thought.

Consider this for a second here... really...

We as Christians believe (by majority, and myself included) that Jesus is God.

Yet Jesus prayed to God, and even asked God for His will instead of his own in Luke 22:42!

"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." ---Luke 22:42

So basically, according to this verse, Jesus is praying to his God, and asking for his separate and higher will. Yet Jesus is supposed to be God in my book! If Jesus is God, then why is He praying to God? Is He praying to Himself? And why is he asking God for His separate and higher will, yet not his own, if he is God?

If one thing is made painfully clear from this verse, it is that Jesus believed the person he was talking to to be greater, higher, and wiser than Himself - as well as possessing a separate and higher will altogether. But I believe that Jesus is God, so how can I reconcile my belief with the verse which seems to refute it.

Is Jesus talking to himself? The more I read it the verse, the more my belief in the Trinity seems to look less and less Biblical. Note that I am not trying to refute the belief in the Trinity here, but this is the one verse in the Bible that shakes my faith in it's scriptural authenticity. Either Jesus was talking to Himself and experiencing a split personality, or He was talking to Someone else. What's going on in this verse? Who was He talking to? It's obviously not Himself because the Entity has a separate opinion (according to Jesus), yet it has to be Himself because Jesus is God and there's no one else to pray to.

Now my mind is fried... :(
Jesus is the ultimate example of what an obedient child of God should be...not just by only telling us what we should do but by living the life as an example...which includes praying to God the Father...follow his example.......people keep over shooting the rim to their own detriment...
 
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If we ask or were to meet the True Living GOD today or whenever or forever, we and all of creation will only meet and see JESUS as GOD and GOD the FATHER fully in HIM.
this is not a trinity...


i pray in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST you perceive this testimony of 'Trinity'.
yet you ask for this....
 
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Kaycie

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God the Father also calls God the Son 'God' in Hebrews 1:9. No, neither of Them are talking to Themselves. Let's say their was a business run by John Doe. All the employees know that John Doe is the boss. But if his son John Doe Jr gives you an order, he is your boss as well, for he is also a 'Doe'. Just because they are both of the same DNA, and of the same mind and authority in the workplace, doesn't mean they aren't different individuals. In the same way, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all Deity (God), and of the same mind and purpose, but They are Three individuals. Just as an egg shell, egg white, and egg yolk are three separate things, yet they are one egg. The yolk is not the shell, etc. We are also called to be of one mind with God, but there are only three that will ever be Deity. But if we, being of one mind with God, talk to God, does that mean we are talking to ourself?
 
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God the Father also calls God the Son 'God' in Hebrews 1:9. No, neither of Them are talking to Themselves. Let's say their was a business run by John Doe. All the employees know that John Doe is the boss. But if his son John Doe Jr gives you an order, he is your boss as well, for he is also a 'Doe'. Just because they are both of the same DNA, and of the same mind and authority in the workplace, doesn't mean they aren't different individuals. In the same way, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all Deity (God), and of the same mind and purpose, but They are Three individuals. Just as an egg shell, egg white, and egg yolk are three separate things, yet they are one egg. The yolk is not the shell, etc. We are also called to be of one mind with God, but there are only three that will ever be Deity. But if we, being of one mind with God, talk to God, does that mean we are talking to ourself?
humour me here...you say an egg...shell ,albumen , yolk...the shell is not an egg ..the yolk is not an egg ...the albumen is not an egg....which one will be father ,which is son and which is HS.....Scripture says Father is above all....do you make him a shell ??? so you make him an empty vessel when Son and HS is out on business....there is nothing that can be compared to God ...give it up...
 
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Jesus is the ultimate example of what an obedient child of God should be...not just by only telling us what we should do but by living the life as an example...which includes praying to God the Father...follow his example.......people keep over shooting the rim to their own detriment...
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newbirth,

what you have stated was my first thought -
Jesus, along with His chosen teachers, present
to us all the Holy patterns that we must follow.
 
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Elijah19

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I get what you're saying here, guys, (I do) but the problem still remains...

If Jesus is God, why is he talking to God? If Jesus is God, why does he say "your will not mine" to an apparently higher entity whose will is individual from His own?

The God Jesus is talking to in this verse clearly has a separate viewpoint on things from himself. How is this possible if they are both the same person?
 

john832

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I get what you're saying here, guys, (I do) but the problem still remains...

If Jesus is God, why is he talking to God? If Jesus is God, why does he say "your will not mine" to an apparently higher entity whose will is individual from His own?

The God Jesus is talking to in this verse clearly has a separate viewpoint on things from himself. How is this possible if they are both the same person?
Uh, let's say your last name is Smith. You are John Smith and your wife is Mary Smith. Does John Smith talk to Mary Smith? Does Mary Smith talk to John Smith?

Jesus Christ is God and the Father is God. They are not the same being, they are two different beings...

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Us and Our who? Jesus Christ and the Father are conversing here.
 
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Elijah19

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Ok, I think I get what your saying here. Let me know if I'm getting it. Are you saying that God is not a word which describes an individual person, but a "species" (so to speak) of three separate persons. Isn't that Polytheism, because what you just described is essentially multiple people who are "God" by definition?
 

1joseph

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God the Father also calls God the Son 'God' in Hebrews 1:9. No, neither of Them are talking to Themselves. Let's say their was a business run by John Doe. All the employees know that John Doe is the boss. But if his son John Doe Jr gives you an order, he is your boss as well, for he is also a 'Doe'. Just because they are both of the same DNA, and of the same mind and authority in the workplace, doesn't mean they aren't different individuals. In the same way, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all Deity (God), and of the same mind and purpose, but They are Three individuals. Just as an egg shell, egg white, and egg yolk are three separate things, yet they are one egg. The yolk is not the shell, etc. We are also called to be of one mind with God, but there are only three that will ever be Deity. But if we, being of one mind with God, talk to God, does that mean we are talking to ourself?
Babes need milk. Your explanation is simple and clear; I can see how it can bring clarity to the original question, at least in showing separation of the three parts. This is what babes in Christ can grasp. If the babes have further, deeper questions we certainly would answer them, helping them to grow.

Good job.:)
 

1joseph

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Ok, I think I get what your saying here. Let me know if I'm getting it. Are you saying that God is not a word which describes an individual person, but a "species" (so to speak) of three separate persons. Isn't that Polytheism, because what you just described is essentially multiple people who are "God" by definition?
Hello Elijah19,

Keep in mind God can do anything!


Luke 18:25-27
[SUP]25 [/SUP] [Jesus said,] Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”[SUP]26 [/SUP]Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”

Can God, then, split Himself however he will yet remain whole? Of course. Call it what you will, as long as you give God (God the Father, God the Son, the Holy Spirit) the Glory and not Satan, for then you will have blasphemed the Holy Spirit and committed the sin of death, having attributed to Satan what is God's.

You will find many things in the Word, my brother, that man can not explain---man can not attain too. This is a stumbling block for some (Imagine, man trying to match wits with God.) Hence, through faith we are saved by Grace.

God bless you.
Joseph