It Is Not Possible To "Know God."

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So I did some thinking on this and yes we CAN know God. How can we know God? Through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ we can know God and have an intimate personal relationship with Him. Through faith in Jesus Christ we can and do know God.
 

Jon4TheCross

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Yes, John 17:3 says, "This is eternal life, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ."

But, try to use skillful English comprehension when reading John17:3. Ask yourself the question, Do I have this "Eternal Life" right now on Earth? Well, no you do not. You will have Eternal Life only in Eternity after you recieve your Inheritance from God. Therefore, since you do not at this time actually possess Eternal Life, and are confined to the physical Earth, you cannot "know God." You do not yet have the "this" spoken of by John in 17:3.

Now, ask yourself this question: Do you know anything of God beyond what is given about Him in Scripture? If you do not, then you only know things about Him, and nothing more. Therefore, when someone states they "know God," is there any way they can be correct? Remembet, heart felt sincerity and busy explanations are not a test for Truth.
Yes I know a measure of God, and The Bible is a small measure of The Word of God...which I know...and that is not written in the Bible. Much can be known concerning God that is not found in The Bible.

Romans 1:19-21King James Version (KJV)

19*Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20*For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21*Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

1 Corinthians 3:1-3King James Version (KJV)

3*And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2*I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3*For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
 
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the books "mister god this is anna" (very good easy reading with innocent child-like knowledge of god.)
and "heaven is for real" (interesting near death experience, 'time' in heaven 3 minutes.... (maybe) )

have encouraging first-hand reports/experience..... (and info not in most bibles, and not contradicting it).

(like what color is yahweh/ spirit, once anyway, when he permits visibility ?) (really really cool ! )
 

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Yes, John 17:3 says, "This is eternal life, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ."

But, try to use skillful English comprehension when reading John17:3. Ask yourself the question, Do I have this "Eternal Life" right now on Earth? Well, no you do not. You will have Eternal Life only in Eternity after you recieve your Inheritance from God. Therefore, since you do not at this time actually possess Eternal Life, and are confined to the physical Earth, you cannot "know God." You do not yet have the "this" spoken of by John in 17:3.

Now, ask yourself this question: Do you know anything of God beyond what is given about Him in Scripture? If you do not, then you only know things about Him, and nothing more. Therefore, when someone states they "know God," is there any way they can be correct? Remembet, heart felt sincerity and busy explanations are not a test for Truth.
What is your purpose of asking all this?
 

Jon4TheCross

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The word of our testimony is indeed important.

Revelation 12:10-12King James Version (KJV)

10*And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11*And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12*Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
 
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The Bible warns us that Satan and his demons also know God... I always say that the character of God is in His Torah. So yes we do know God but salvation is through our relationship with Him.

You can't get to know somebody without spending time with them. Thus if you sit around doing nothing you will know about God but if you study His word and spend time with Him you will get to know Him.
 

tribesman

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The word of our testimony is indeed important.

Revelation 12:10-12King James Version (KJV)

10*And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11*And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12*Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
That's right. So if somebody confesses not to know God, then it's obvious what the condition of such a soul is.
 

VCO

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Yes, John 17:3 says, "This is eternal life, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ."

But, try to use skillful English comprehension when reading John17:3. Ask yourself the question, Do I have this "Eternal Life" right now on Earth? Well, no you do not. You will have Eternal Life only in Eternity after you recieve your Inheritance from God. Therefore, since you do not at this time actually possess Eternal Life, and are confined to the physical Earth, you cannot "know God." You do not yet have the "this" spoken of by John in 17:3.

Now, ask yourself this question: Do you know anything of God beyond what is given about Him in Scripture? If you do not, then you only know things about Him, and nothing more. Therefore, when someone states they "know God," is there any way they can be correct? Remembet, heart felt sincerity and busy explanations are not a test for Truth.

Stegley, you are wrong about both subjects you presented.


Eternal Life begins here on earth. When you are born again, the Holy Spirit brings your human spirit to Eternal Life never to die again. Becoming born again happens when you quit trying to run your own life your own way, and mourn over your utter sinfulness, willingly surrendering complete control to Jesus Christ as LORD, meaning MASTER. NONE of that can be done out of the will of the human mind between your ears. The Holy Spirit enters your Heart pouring out the LOVE of GOD into your heart. Everything of Value that we do for GOD, spawns out of the "LOVE of GOD" that the Holy Spirit poured into our hearts the moment we were born again.

Romans 5:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

"KNOWING HIM", is also an absolute REALITY, that comes after we are born again. My inner personal love relationship with my LORD is very, very REAL. The fact that you doubt that REAL personal Relationship with Jesus Christ as LORD, validates that you are yet to be born again. Like I said, it involves completely surrendering control of your life to HIM. If you are holding back even part of your life for yourself, you are not yet born again. My born again experience came after a third attempt at suicide. OH YES, He is doing a MUCH BETTER JOB of running my life than I ever did.

1 John 5:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

1 John 2:3-5 (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. {The Greek word for obey, is in the Greek primary perfect tense, which we do not have in English. It does not imply perfection despite it's title, it implies a continuous lifestyle of striving to obey as part of our born again changed Nature. In other words, it is now the direction of the Walk of a born again Christian, and not the perfection of his Walk. By the same token, the opposite is true if you are not yet born again.}
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
{Does not continuously strive to do what He commands as part of His Nature.}
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:

Matthew 7:21-23 (NIV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'


Matthew 25:11-12 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'


"KNOWING HIM" is that inner personal LOVE relationship that comes with submitting to HIM as LORD, meaning MASTER, thereby becoming born again, with an eternally alive human spirit with a spiritual mind too, that was brought to life by the HOLY SPIRIT.

John 3:6-7 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.'
 

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That's right. So if somebody confesses not to know God, then it's obvious what the condition of such a soul is.
Here in these...

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

These profess to know him and their condition is called abominable, disobedient and unto every good work reprobate.

And one "saith" he knows him

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

So in one, they profess to know God, in the one say they know him and will even say they love God, it doesnt make it true

1 John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

The Lord knows them that are His too.
 
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VCO

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Knowing God's revealed will is not the same as knowing Him. Lol.

What has God "allowed you to know" more than what is given in Scripture?

Remember, expressing all kinds of different ideas does not mean a particular question has been addressed.
1 Corinthians 2:10-16 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN BEFORE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND.
 

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We know someone by their character, and GODS character is expressed through out the word of GOD.

And when we live in the direction of the Holy Spirit we get to see HIS character personally as well..
 
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[SUP]1 John 5:10 [/SUP]He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Your friend in Christ
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Good verse, heres two question verses to yours as well

1John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

Jerm 22:16 He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him:was not this to know me? saith the LORD.

The last verse can be shown through these other two as well (the "cause of" the poor)

Prov 29:7 The righteous considereth the cause of the poor: but the wicked regardeth not to know it.

Psalm 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

Jerm 22:16 He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him:was not this to know me? saith the LORD.
Tell us something about God beyond what is given in Scripture. Lol. I am waiting ...
 
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pug32

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[SUP]Rom. 1:18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


[SUP]2 peter 1:3 [/SUP]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.



Your friend in Christ
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We know someone by their character, and GODS character is expressed through out the word of GOD.

And when we live in the direction of the Holy Spirit we get to see HIS character personally as well..
You do not know anything about Jesus but what Scripture says about Him. Admit it, instead of claiming to have personal esoteric knowledge which you cannot verbalize.

Lol.
 
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We know someone by their character, and GODS character is expressed through out the word of GOD.

And when we live in the direction of the Holy Spirit we get to see HIS character personally as well..
You only know ABOUT God. You do not know Him personally. Prove otherwise.
 

tribesman

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We're dealing with trolling here...let's see how long OP is allowed to be around.
 

tribesman

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Here in these...

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

These profess to know him and their condition is called abominable, disobedient and unto every good work reprobate.

And one "saith" he knows him

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

So in one, they profess to know God, in the one say they know him and will even say they love God, it doesnt make it true

1 John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

The Lord knows them that are His too.
That wasn't up for discussion. Here we have someone claiming not to know God. It could be taken for someone having humility and wanting to have answers about christian beliefs. Seems more like someone's trolling tho.