Are You a Child of God?
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YES........
Because the bible states the following......He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, EVEN to them that believe on HIS NAME: Which were born...
Not of blood<--not hereditary
not of the will of the flesh<---nothing you can do yourself
nor of the will of man<---nothing man can do for you
BUT OF GOD!
The word will is thelema in Greek and means determination, will, choice, inclination, desire, purpose and or decree
John also said.....
Beloved, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed on us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved NOW ARE WE THE SONS OF GOD, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.....
The answer is YES and we can know!
Because the bible states the following......He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, EVEN to them that believe on HIS NAME: Which were born...
Not of blood<--not hereditary
not of the will of the flesh<---nothing you can do yourself
nor of the will of man<---nothing man can do for you
BUT OF GOD!
The word will is thelema in Greek and means determination, will, choice, inclination, desire, purpose and or decree
John also said.....
Beloved, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed on us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved NOW ARE WE THE SONS OF GOD, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.....
The answer is YES and we can know!
Yes I am too, and I am certain myself as well because I died to myself, and fell as low as a man can fall, and through His mercy, grace, and blood He picked me back up giving me new life and making me a whole new creature, and He did it when I didn't even deserve it, to be honest a strong case could be made I absolutely DID NOT deserve it at all and through a love on a level we can't comprehend He did it anyway ALL glory to Him.
I likewise agree that we do receive encouragement of the scripture concerning becoming the children of God. And we also have the written witness concerning how we can know (in us) by the other (Who moved to former to write, but is as He that continues to write), but in us (even though them)
Even in this its like two witnesses (one, in the record of written word of the Word) our belief in the truth (that God sent His Son) and the living Spirit that abides and writes upon us if so be He dwells in us.
Its amazing to think on, like one testimony speaks (even if through written witness accounts) which account of many lives (living through the testimony of Him) unto the confirmation of the same (which would bear witness within us)
Did I even put that right? I hate putting the things I think on in these things in my own words so much because they can often fail us.
However, I do think thats rather beautiful, just how something is known to us by the living Spirit (in us) and not only what is written in ink, and yet it is confirmed in ink. And how (in real time) how we are to become an living epistle ourselves to be known and read by all (not written in with ink) but the Spirit of the living God.
Because even though we (intimately) might know by the same, so also are the children of God (even the children of the devil) manifested. So written witness, inner witness and know and read by others, would agree in that they are manifested even as 1 John speaks of the same.
God richly bless you in Christ Jesus the Lord
Even in this its like two witnesses (one, in the record of written word of the Word) our belief in the truth (that God sent His Son) and the living Spirit that abides and writes upon us if so be He dwells in us.
Its amazing to think on, like one testimony speaks (even if through written witness accounts) which account of many lives (living through the testimony of Him) unto the confirmation of the same (which would bear witness within us)
Did I even put that right? I hate putting the things I think on in these things in my own words so much because they can often fail us.
However, I do think thats rather beautiful, just how something is known to us by the living Spirit (in us) and not only what is written in ink, and yet it is confirmed in ink. And how (in real time) how we are to become an living epistle ourselves to be known and read by all (not written in with ink) but the Spirit of the living God.
Because even though we (intimately) might know by the same, so also are the children of God (even the children of the devil) manifested. So written witness, inner witness and know and read by others, would agree in that they are manifested even as 1 John speaks of the same.
God richly bless you in Christ Jesus the Lord
It's a rather presumptious claim that many of you are making, to be His children.
If you are indeed His children (i.e. have been imparted with His Spirit), then tell me...
1. What gifts have been manifested to you? Discernment? Knowledge? Healing?
2. Have you heard His voice? Does God speak directly to you, as He would if He was having an intimate relationship with someone? If so, what does He say, or has He said, to you?
3. Have you had any revelations from God? If so what has He revealed to you?
Spiritual gifts, hearing His voice, and revelations. Which of these have you experienced? If you haven't experience any one of these things, it can be basically confirmed that you do not have His Spirit, and are therefore none of His.
If you are indeed His children (i.e. have been imparted with His Spirit), then tell me...
1. What gifts have been manifested to you? Discernment? Knowledge? Healing?
2. Have you heard His voice? Does God speak directly to you, as He would if He was having an intimate relationship with someone? If so, what does He say, or has He said, to you?
3. Have you had any revelations from God? If so what has He revealed to you?
Spiritual gifts, hearing His voice, and revelations. Which of these have you experienced? If you haven't experience any one of these things, it can be basically confirmed that you do not have His Spirit, and are therefore none of His.
Teach and urge these things. [SUP]3 [/SUP]If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound[SUP][b][/SUP] words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, [SUP]4 [/SUP]he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But godliness with contentment is great gain, [SUP]7 [/SUP]for we brought nothing into the world, and[SUP][c][/SUP] we cannot take anything out of the world.
We know by our fruits, not by some supernatural powers that make us feel special in some way.
Galatians 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
Galatians 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
presumptuous? maybe. (other words / adjectives/ may fit better). (deceived?)...
almost the ONLY churches (assemblies) currently publicly known (in the last 30 years or so, plus some) by OUTSIDERS for having a
totally changed life, different from their previous lives in the world and of the world, and living lives totally changed and different kind of lives from
unsaved persons who are neighbors or in the same area,
is
in
china.
almost the ONLY churches (assemblies) currently publicly known (in the last 30 years or so, plus some) by OUTSIDERS for having a
totally changed life, different from their previous lives in the world and of the world, and living lives totally changed and different kind of lives from
unsaved persons who are neighbors or in the same area,
is
in
china.
MANNY...it is rather presumptuous of you to argue what the bible states we can all know based upon what we have done....the word is clear and gives sure signs of what being a child of God is like and how the Lord deals with us as children....
Maybe you are just being argumentative for a reason......I know based upon numerous things.....faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word.....so...what exactly is the purpose of your thread and the presumptuous ideas and statements found therein?
Maybe you are just being argumentative for a reason......I know based upon numerous things.....faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word.....so...what exactly is the purpose of your thread and the presumptuous ideas and statements found therein?
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Yes. I do not think I am a child of God...as in...being convinced and yet uncertain...I know.
1 John 3:23-24King James Version (KJV)
23*And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24*And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 3:23-24King James Version (KJV)
23*And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24*And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.