A Sabbath Thought

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FinalCryMinistries

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God rested on the seventh day. History cannot be changed. God said that the reason He blessed and sanctified the seventh day is because in it He rested from all His work of creation (Gen. 2:3). Man can neither remove nor shift God's blessings, nor can man at any time UN-sanctify what God has set aside for holy use. HE called the seventh day the Sabbath. (Exodus 20:16). T

he only way the seventh day Sabbath can be changed into a first day Sabbath is to change history and show that God changed the day that He rested to the first day instead of the seventh. Can your birthday be changed? To change the celebration of your birthday to a day other than your birthday would be to project a lie that you were born on a day that you were not.

The only reason a person would want to do this is to deceive others into believing that a person is older or younger than he actually is. This of course is deception from the enemy. It is a Biblical and historical fact that God rested on the seventh day. Changing calendars around can no more change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday than it can change the birthday of the world to a day after it was created. Why would the resurrection on Easter Sunday be reason enough to change the fourth commandment Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day? We just saw why God chose the seventh day to be His holy Sabbath.

Did not God finish His work and rest on the seventh day? Which historical fact or facts changed and brought about a need to alter the Sabbath and the history books and the heavenly records to reflect a need for a new Sabbath day? Even in death Christ rested in the tomb on the seventh day Sabbath. Sunday is the first day after the rest day.

This is why Paul told them to gather their means on Sunday, not on the Sabbath. When a Bible text appears to suggest anything to the contrary, a prayerful reexamination will reveal the truth. Bible principle does not change. If such a change was of God, the New Testament would be full of texts upholding the change. Paul would have told all who would hear him about such a life changing NEW LAW that would affect so many who were totally convinced that the seventh day was the unchangeable, historical Sabbath. All of the New Testament writers would have had a tough job to do, convincing the people through lots of documentation and visions that God the Almighty has changed one of His Ten Commandments, by moving His rest day to a day after He rested.

What do you think? God is love. God is fair. God is extremely patient. God is all knowing. God is perfect and incapable of mistreatment or mistake. Can a God with all of these attributes pay out the wrong wages? Who will be paid the wages of sin? Is God capable of sending someone to hell who doesn't deserve to go? Those who will be lost in hell will have first had the opportunity to clear sin from their lives through the help of Jesus. First, God must make sure that the lost understand that sin is the transgression of the law and that the wages of sin are death. Why would God set aside a day for holy use and then remove

His sanctification and place it on another day without rewriting the stone tablets? If the resurrection of Jesus was designed from the start to bring an end to the seventh day Sabbath and start a first day Sabbath in its place, would God be organized enough to tell all of the prophets of the old AND New Testaments to prepare His people for such a momentous change? After about 4,000 years of seventh day Sabbath keeping, would God Almighty expect His people to make a sudden change to another day without being taught of the coming change by the prophets? If the resurrection of Jesus brought about a Sabbath change, then Jesus Himself should have been teaching this to all who would hear Him.

Sunday keeping by professed Christians didn't start until years after the resurrection. Could this mean that God secretly changed His law without sufficiently preparing His people for a change in the definition of sin? Sin is the transgression of the law and a change in the law IS a change in what sin is declared to be (first John 3:4).

Each time God would change the law, that which is sin must also change. If the Sabbath today is Sunday, then the fourth Commandment must now read that the FIRST day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. The old tables of stone would be no longer valid and those who obeyed the old fourth Command would be living in sin. This is a very serious issue and it is shameful that so many professed Christians don't think much of it. Here is something to ponder.


Satan is a liar and a counterfeiter. Sunday is his counterfeit Sabbath. Since the wages of sin is death and sin is the transgression of the law, logic dictates that ONE CAN ONLY BE LOST FOR BREAKING GOD'S LAW. So, the mark of the beast cannot harm a soul unless it involves the breaking of the law, which is sin. Now we know that 666 fertilizer cannot be the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast must be something that the beast institutes that cause the people to sin by obeying it.

Those who keep the Ten Commandments and have faith in Jesus, while accepting the spirit of prophecy, which is the writings of the prophets, will not need to worry about receiving the Mark of the Beast, because they will have the Seal of God. If Adam had sinned in breaking the seventh day Sabbath and Jesus would have sinned in breaking it, how in the world can we break it today and not be guilty of sin? Every time a lamb was sacrificed on the altar, the sinner knew that one day Jesus would come and put an end to that temporary system, for it was only a type that pointed to Jesus the antitype. God's people knew that the annual sacrificial Sabbath days were temporary and only meant to last until Jesus came.

They knew this was why God had them written in a book instead of on stone with His permanent law. After all of the instruction that God gave for hundreds of years through His prophets, do you think that God just changed His mind or do you believe that He gave sufficient notice that at the death and resurrection of Jesus, the seventh day as all His people knew it, would no longer be sanctified (set aside for holy use), but that the first day was to take its place? From that moment, the books in heaven would have had to make a shift.


THE WEEK THAT JESUS DIED WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE TWO SABBATHS. Christ rested in the tomb on the seventh day Sabbath and He would have risen on the first day Sabbath. So, the women who came to the tomb to finish their work would have been breaking the first Sunday Sabbath by bringing spices to finish what they delayed because of the seventh day Sabbath. Surely Jesus would have told His mother to treat Sunday as she would Saturday. There is no such record in all of scripture.


When the Marys came to the tomb to work, why didn't the Lord rebuke them for breaking the FIRST NEW SUNDAY SABBATH? Instead He told Mary to go and tell the others of His resurrection. Did Jesus forget that He just changed the Sabbath and that Mary was coming to break it? Of course not. Jesus never changed the law. He fulfilled it by completing the sacrificial system's requirements and He obeyed all ten commandments. May God be with us all. Amen.

Gary
 
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NazariteNation

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Hello my friend! Just a quick suggestion... while I would love to read your post, it's kind of hard to do so consdering it's one large block of text. Can you break it down into paragraphs for us? It would be much appreciated!

Peace & Be Blessed!
 
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Joshdharris

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Tried to plough through that. Spread it out a little bit more!

In essence, when Jesus rose from the dead, He freed us from the law which said we had to rest on the Sabbath.

The principle remains - that God wants us to have a day of rest but ultimately you can't say that we have to honour Saturday as the Sabbath because jesus actively 'flouted' that. He always took the time to rest and God did establish a day of rest but to say it has to be a certain day is legalism and Jesus criticised the Pharisee for their supposed uprighteousness in keeping the Sabbath to the letter.

We should have a day of rest, I agree. But it doesn't matter what day it is. You only get into trouble if you say that we HAVE to meet on a Sunday ( or a Saturday).

Every day belongs to the Lord, anyway!
 
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Joshdharris

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Also we go to church on Sunday because that was 'apparently' the day Jesus rose from the dead. I don't know if that's true but the day doesn't matter to me.

With regard to "Jesus wouldn't break the Sabbath" read Mark 2:23-28 and Mark 3:1-7 - Notice how Jesus broke the Sabbath by healing.
 
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1still_waters

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I broke it in to some paragraphs.
 
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NazariteNation

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God rested on the seventh day. History cannot be changed. God said that the reason He blessed and sanctified the seventh day is because in it He rested from all His work of creation (Gen. 2:3). Man can neither remove nor shift God's blessings, nor can man at any time UN-sanctify what God has set aside for holy use. HE called the seventh day the Sabbath. (Exodus 20:16). T

he only way the seventh day Sabbath can be changed into a first day Sabbath is to change history and show that God changed the day that He rested to the first day instead of the seventh. Can your birthday be changed? To change the celebration of your birthday to a day other than your birthday would be to project a lie that you were born on a day that you were not.

The only reason a person would want to do this is to deceive others into believing that a person is older or younger than he actually is. This of course is deception from the enemy. It is a Biblical and historical fact that God rested on the seventh day. Changing calendars around can no more change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday than it can change the birthday of the world to a day after it was created. Why would the resurrection on Easter Sunday be reason enough to change the fourth commandment Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day? We just saw why God chose the seventh day to be His holy Sabbath.

Did not God finish His work and rest on the seventh day? Which historical fact or facts changed and brought about a need to alter the Sabbath and the history books and the heavenly records to reflect a need for a new Sabbath day? Even in death Christ rested in the tomb on the seventh day Sabbath. Sunday is the first day after the rest day.

This is why Paul told them to gather their means on Sunday, not on the Sabbath. When a Bible text appears to suggest anything to the contrary, a prayerful reexamination will reveal the truth. Bible principle does not change. If such a change was of God, the New Testament would be full of texts upholding the change. Paul would have told all who would hear him about such a life changing NEW LAW that would affect so many who were totally convinced that the seventh day was the unchangeable, historical Sabbath. All of the New Testament writers would have had a tough job to do, convincing the people through lots of documentation and visions that God the Almighty has changed one of His Ten Commandments, by moving His rest day to a day after He rested.

What do you think? God is love. God is fair. God is extremely patient. God is all knowing. God is perfect and incapable of mistreatment or mistake. Can a God with all of these attributes pay out the wrong wages? Who will be paid the wages of sin? Is God capable of sending someone to hell who doesn't deserve to go? Those who will be lost in hell will have first had the opportunity to clear sin from their lives through the help of Jesus. First, God must make sure that the lost understand that sin is the transgression of the law and that the wages of sin are death. Why would God set aside a day for holy use and then remove

His sanctification and place it on another day without rewriting the stone tablets? If the resurrection of Jesus was designed from the start to bring an end to the seventh day Sabbath and start a first day Sabbath in its place, would God be organized enough to tell all of the prophets of the old AND New Testaments to prepare His people for such a momentous change? After about 4,000 years of seventh day Sabbath keeping, would God Almighty expect His people to make a sudden change to another day without being taught of the coming change by the prophets? If the resurrection of Jesus brought about a Sabbath change, then Jesus Himself should have been teaching this to all who would hear Him.

Sunday keeping by professed Christians didn't start until years after the resurrection. Could this mean that God secretly changed His law without sufficiently preparing His people for a change in the definition of sin? Sin is the transgression of the law and a change in the law IS a change in what sin is declared to be (first John 3:4).

Each time God would change the law, that which is sin must also change. If the Sabbath today is Sunday, then the fourth Commandment must now read that the FIRST day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. The old tables of stone would be no longer valid and those who obeyed the old fourth Command would be living in sin. This is a very serious issue and it is shameful that so many professed Christians don't think much of it. Here is something to ponder.


Satan is a liar and a counterfeiter. Sunday is his counterfeit Sabbath. Since the wages of sin is death and sin is the transgression of the law, logic dictates that ONE CAN ONLY BE LOST FOR BREAKING GOD'S LAW. So, the mark of the beast cannot harm a soul unless it involves the breaking of the law, which is sin. Now we know that 666 fertilizer cannot be the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast must be something that the beast institutes that cause the people to sin by obeying it.

Those who keep the Ten Commandments and have faith in Jesus, while accepting the spirit of prophecy, which is the writings of the prophets, will not need to worry about receiving the Mark of the Beast, because they will have the Seal of God. If Adam had sinned in breaking the seventh day Sabbath and Jesus would have sinned in breaking it, how in the world can we break it today and not be guilty of sin? Every time a lamb was sacrificed on the altar, the sinner knew that one day Jesus would come and put an end to that temporary system, for it was only a type that pointed to Jesus the antitype. God's people knew that the annual sacrificial Sabbath days were temporary and only meant to last until Jesus came.

They knew this was why God had them written in a book instead of on stone with His permanent law. After all of the instruction that God gave for hundreds of years through His prophets, do you think that God just changed His mind or do you believe that He gave sufficient notice that at the death and resurrection of Jesus, the seventh day as all His people knew it, would no longer be sanctified (set aside for holy use), but that the first day was to take its place? From that moment, the books in heaven would have had to make a shift.


THE WEEK THAT JESUS DIED WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE TWO SABBATHS. Christ rested in the tomb on the seventh day Sabbath and He would have risen on the first day Sabbath. So, the women who came to the tomb to finish their work would have been breaking the first Sunday Sabbath by bringing spices to finish what they delayed because of the seventh day Sabbath. Surely Jesus would have told His mother to treat Sunday as she would Saturday. There is no such record in all of scripture.


When the Marys came to the tomb to work, why didn't the Lord rebuke them for breaking the FIRST NEW SUNDAY SABBATH? Instead He told Mary to go and tell the others of His resurrection. Did Jesus forget that He just changed the Sabbath and that Mary was coming to break it? Of course not. Jesus never changed the law. He fulfilled it by completing the sacrificial system's requirements and He obeyed all ten commandments. May God be with us all. Amen.

Gary
I personally believe that the Sabbath points toward the 1000 year Millenial reign of Christ here on earth but that's just a theory.

I don't know about anyone else, but if you're involved in active ministry then you know first hand that Sundays can get a little hectic at times. Seeing as I have both Saturdays and Sundays off from work, I take full advantage of that and use Saturdays as my day of rest, often times putting together a final draft for my Sunday school class.
 
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NazariteNation

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Hmmm.... comparing Sunday worship to the mark of the beast, I'm pretty sure that's an Adventist teaching...
 
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thefightinglamb

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The most obvious answer to this is "Did not Jesus tell a man to carry his mat on the sabbath?" Either He told the man to sin or He didn't...

It is very interesting that Jesus could have just healed the man and said 'go home' carry NOT your mat on this most sacred day, but He didn't..

I have siad what I had to say in the other thread--The fourth commandment (the sabbath)...I wish not to repeat it to those who want to become slaves to the law...

May God free all his children, and bless everyone

tony
 
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Jaykay104

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Simplicity, read Romans 14:5,6

5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. 6 Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. (NLT)

The whole passage in gold actually
 

NoahsDad

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Mar 2:24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
Mar 2:25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
Mar 2:26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
The actual law now..........
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Where in here does it mention an actual day?
Could it be that God is trying to say 7 days a week of working is unhealthy?
The "were no longer under the law teachers should really read the laws they say we aint under.
Most of them are common sense.
Sept the sacriments or sacrifices,Which were the ones truely taken away,The origional 10 still stand,
The statutes and ordinances dont.Jesus died and defeated death on the third day in order to free you from the penalty of death for breaking the law ,He didnt do away with the 10 commandments just the death penalty for breaking them upon repentance..........
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see ANOTHER LAW IN MY MEMBERS, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Notice this part of the chapter

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
This is why you are free...........after the spirit of your mind you should delight in the law of God and not hate it or count it as evil........but rather you should thank Christ Jesus for the gift He gave you to recognise the evil that is in your members and deliver you from the penalty of death through the renewal of your mind.Not your body cuz it'll fight you every step of the way.

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
does that make sense?
 
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dodolah

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everybody made good arguments here already.
But, just to add a response from your reasoning, I do sometime celebrate my birthday earlier or later depending on the situation.
I don't do it to deceive everybody of my age.
In fact, i told them my real age and all.
I am not that picky on what day (whether it is on the day, before the day, or after the day) my birthday chould be celebrated.
It would be nice to celebrate it on the exact date.. but I am not picky about it.
I can assure you I have no intention to deceive people of my age.
In fact, i can tell you that my age is 27 years old now and will become 28 this may. lol
 
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