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Well I have talked to a number of people on here and out in the evangelitical world that agree with what I have said on what scripture states. I also do it in a way of not being condemning, unloving, or unedifying to others. If that is how others feel that is not coming from me, as I take no credit for how the Word of God makes others feel. If somebody feels convicted, sorrow, or any other feeling after hearing God's word, rather given through me or another then it is the Godly sorrow they are feeling from the Holy Spirit to lead them to repentance. My conscious is clean, as I am just a servant of God to give His full word and not a water down version of it. Apostle Paul did not water it down to believers, and taught the dangers of sin to believers. Yet those of us who do the same now days that Paul did back then, are called names and false teachers when we are just not confirming to the world as now day churches are doing by making things acceptable that in the bible days of the Lord and Paul were not and are still not acceptable.
V
Come on guys, for the sake of this thread just let it go. You can wrestle outside 
Keeping it on the lighter side, my young brother breno, praise the Lord for capturing me and making me His gracious daughter. Otherwise, those who take me for "just a 58-year old lady" could find me in the parking lot just waiting to wrestle it out with anyone not having mercy on the weak. I would be the tall, hyperactive redhead wearing jeans, army boots and a camouflage jacket dancing around the macadam practicing my roundhouse kicks and left jabs and right hooks.
heeheeBut glory be to God our Father I am now a new creation in Jesus Christ our Lord! \
/ Hallelujah!
Keeping it on the lighter side, my young brother breno, praise the Lord for capturing me and making me His gracious daughter. Otherwise, those who take me for "just a 58-year old lady" could find me in the parking lot just waiting to wrestle it out with anyone not having mercy on the weak. I would be the tall, hyperactive redhead wearing jeans, army boots and a camouflage jacket dancing around the macadam practicing my roundhouse kicks and left jabs and right hooks. heehee
But glory be to God our Father I am now a new creation in Jesus Christ our Lord! \/ Hallelujah!
heeheeBut glory be to God our Father I am now a new creation in Jesus Christ our Lord! \
/ Hallelujah!
J
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"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." (II Corinthians 6:14-7:1)
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." (II Corinthians 6:14-7:1)
V
That being said, brother JesusistheChrist, I take it you have come out from the world and separated yourself from all unclean things including television, sports arenas, even the department stores and malls or any place where you could possibly witness "filthiness of the flesh"? Wait - there's filthy sinners in church, too isn't there? And what about your work place? Are you unequally yoked (in agreement with) with unbelievers there or is your boss and all your co-workers holiness-filled Christians?
Or perhaps the Lord meant spiritually, as in our mind in Christ. Do you think maybe the Lord was telling us to separate our carnal attitudes from our spiritual mind in Him? Think about this - are you set free from sin because you believe - or are you set free because of Jesus' grace and now believe it?
Commit everything you to do as unto God and your thoughts will be established. In other words, do all for Christ, in Christ, with Christ. FOCUS ON CHRIST JESUS! He will keep your mind, giving you new mercies each morning, conforming you into His image from glory to glory, renewing a right spirit within you and the evidence will be Jesus reigning in you and you reigning with Him. He will do the performing, you do the believing.
Or perhaps the Lord meant spiritually, as in our mind in Christ. Do you think maybe the Lord was telling us to separate our carnal attitudes from our spiritual mind in Him? Think about this - are you set free from sin because you believe - or are you set free because of Jesus' grace and now believe it?
Commit everything you to do as unto God and your thoughts will be established. In other words, do all for Christ, in Christ, with Christ. FOCUS ON CHRIST JESUS! He will keep your mind, giving you new mercies each morning, conforming you into His image from glory to glory, renewing a right spirit within you and the evidence will be Jesus reigning in you and you reigning with Him. He will do the performing, you do the believing.
but his instructions were simple also - seek the father in heaven frequently, every day, and DO what he DOES, and SPEAK what he says to SPEAK. always in line with torah , and in line with all of scripture.
knowing what yahshua has done, doesn't help most people on earth, because they reject him and don't listen to him, nor does knowing him and what he did help the demons who cannot be redeemed, even though they know better than people what he has done.
knowing what yahshua has done, doesn't help most people on earth, because they reject him and don't listen to him, nor does knowing him and what he did help the demons who cannot be redeemed, even though they know better than people what he has done.
T
We do understand in this Passage that Paul was speaking to the Church at Corinth and the church today about unbelievers in the church and not the lost in the world right?
If you are standing on this passage and claim it is about the people in the world, then you kind of invalidate the whole reasoning behind the great commission.
If you are standing on this passage and claim it is about the people in the world, then you kind of invalidate the whole reasoning behind the great commission.
V
In the book of Mark, the Lord called brothers, James and John to be apostles. Jesus had a nickname for them; He called them Boanerges, which means Sons of Thunder because of their carnal nature. They must have been real rebel rousers! LOL The brothers once asked Jesus if He wanted them to call fire down from heaven on people who opposed Jesus (it was a situation of Jew vs Samaritan prejudice.) But Jesus told them their prideful anger was wrong. I’m sure there were lots of other instances where they demonstrated self-righteous anger or else they would not have earned that nickname, “Sons of Thunder”.
In spite of that, James and John became 2 of the Lord’s closest friends and were named among the inner disciples. John maintained fervency in spirit and continued to denounce deceivers, but it was now tempered with the love of Jesus Christ. After a lifetime of walking with the Lord Jesus, John was no longer “Thunder” but the “Apostle of Love.”
I love the reality of Jesus changing us into His likeness. When my daughter was very young and someone would ask her, "How do you know Jesus is really living in you?" her answer was, "Because I'm changed." And that is the whole truth - JESUS SAVES!
The brothers once asked Jesus if He wanted them to call fire down from heaven on people who opposed Jesus (it was a situation of Jew vs Samaritan prejudice.) But Jesus told them their prideful anger was wrong. I’m sure there were lots of other instances where they demonstrated self-righteous anger or else they would not have earned that nickname, “Sons of Thunder”. In spite of that, James and John became 2 of the Lord’s closest friends and were named among the inner disciples. John maintained fervency in spirit and continued to denounce deceivers, but it was now tempered with the love of Jesus Christ. After a lifetime of walking with the Lord Jesus, John was no longer “Thunder” but the “Apostle of Love.”
I love the reality of Jesus changing us into His likeness. When my daughter was very young and someone would ask her, "How do you know Jesus is really living in you?" her answer was, "Because I'm changed." And that is the whole truth - JESUS SAVES!
Excellent post, VioletReigns. You wrote what many of us feel or have felt. I have enjoyed reading many of the response posts, feeling the peace in them.
You mentioned in your post of [SUP]1[/SUP]unbelievers and [SUP]2[/SUP]newly converted believers (those needing babes milk.) This got me to thinking, "Why not have individual forums for these two groups," giving those members/visitors a place to go concerning their needs, without getting caught up in the "Bible Discussion Forum" and all that's going on there. Also, they would be easily found to witness and minister too.
The two forums could be titled:
...or something along that line.
I posted the following under the "Suggestions" forum. (If anyone else thinks this is a good idea just copy/past it into the "Suggestions" forum.)
Post below information into "Suggestions" forum.
[HR][/HR]
"I suggest adding new forums. By doing so, it would give these members/visitors a place to go concerning their needs without getting caught up in the "Bible Discussion Forum" and all that's going on there. Also, they would be easily found to witness and minister to.
The forums could be titled:
or
or something to that effect.
Thank you for your time and your administration of this site.
You mentioned in your post of [SUP]1[/SUP]unbelievers and [SUP]2[/SUP]newly converted believers (those needing babes milk.) This got me to thinking, "Why not have individual forums for these two groups," giving those members/visitors a place to go concerning their needs, without getting caught up in the "Bible Discussion Forum" and all that's going on there. Also, they would be easily found to witness and minister too.
The two forums could be titled:
- Non-Believer/Unsure-Believer Forum
- Newly Converted Believer Forum
...or something along that line.
I posted the following under the "Suggestions" forum. (If anyone else thinks this is a good idea just copy/past it into the "Suggestions" forum.)
Post below information into "Suggestions" forum.
[HR][/HR]
"I suggest adding new forums. By doing so, it would give these members/visitors a place to go concerning their needs without getting caught up in the "Bible Discussion Forum" and all that's going on there. Also, they would be easily found to witness and minister to.
The forums could be titled:
- Non-Believer Forum
- Unsure-Believers Forum
- Newly Converted Believers Forum
or
- Non-Believer/Unsure-Believers Forum
- Newly Converted Believers Forum
or something to that effect.
Thank you for your time and your administration of this site.
Salvation occurs when the Spirit of Christ comes to make His home in us (Rom. 8:11). Sanctification occurs when we make our home in Him (Gal. 5:16). Grace is an open invitation. Faith is the key that opens the door (Eph. 2:8).
It is as simple as that. Unfortunately, there is so much bad doctrine out there that a lot of sincere folks end up believing some very dangerous extremes, both legalism and licentiousness.
It is as simple as that. Unfortunately, there is so much bad doctrine out there that a lot of sincere folks end up believing some very dangerous extremes, both legalism and licentiousness.
I'm guilty of throwing daggers here, but it's not because of self righteousness, God forbid. My indignation burns at those who preach condemnation rather than sanctification; hell fire rather than pastures of eternal life; terror rather than peace.
You're damn right I get mad. Talk about people chasing off the young and weak? I'm here to protect such people and help them come to understand God's personal, gracious and infinite LOVE for each and every one of them.
You're damn right I get mad. Talk about people chasing off the young and weak? I'm here to protect such people and help them come to understand God's personal, gracious and infinite LOVE for each and every one of them.
J
IOW, you're mad at anyone who doesn't rip half of the pages out of their Bible before posting?
II Corinthians chapter 5
[9] Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
[10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
[11] Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
[12] For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.
[13] For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.
[14] For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
[15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
The Apostle Paul was motivated by BOTH "the terror of the Lord" in that he understood that we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ to receive for the things which we have done in our bodies, whether good or bad, AND "the love of Christ" which constrained him in that he understood that Christ died for all and that those therefore who live ought not to live for themselves, but unto Christ and others.
Like it or not (with many people here, it's obviously the "or not"), CHRISTIANS are admonished to "behold" (IOW, don't shut your eyes to the same as many regularly do) BOTH "the goodness AND severity of God":
Romans chapter 11
[19] Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
[20] Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[21] For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[22] Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
I can assure you, based upon the revealed, Holy Spirit inspired Word of God, that God is NOT displeased with those who preach and teach BOTH His goodness AND His severity. In fact, He's greatly displeased with those who ONLY preach one or the other in that both approaches are deadly.
II Corinthians chapter 5
[9] Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
[10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
[11] Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
[12] For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.
[13] For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.
[14] For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
[15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
The Apostle Paul was motivated by BOTH "the terror of the Lord" in that he understood that we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ to receive for the things which we have done in our bodies, whether good or bad, AND "the love of Christ" which constrained him in that he understood that Christ died for all and that those therefore who live ought not to live for themselves, but unto Christ and others.
Like it or not (with many people here, it's obviously the "or not"), CHRISTIANS are admonished to "behold" (IOW, don't shut your eyes to the same as many regularly do) BOTH "the goodness AND severity of God":
Romans chapter 11
[19] Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
[20] Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[21] For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[22] Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
I can assure you, based upon the revealed, Holy Spirit inspired Word of God, that God is NOT displeased with those who preach and teach BOTH His goodness AND His severity. In fact, He's greatly displeased with those who ONLY preach one or the other in that both approaches are deadly.
""Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called."
1 Corinthians 7:20
Some persons have the foolish notion that the only way in which they can live for God is by becoming ministers, missionaries, or Bible women. Alas! how many would be shut out from any opportunity of magnifying the Most High if this were the case. Beloved, it is not office, it is earnestness; it is not position, it is grace which will enable us to glorify God. God is most surely glorified in that cobbler's stall, where the godly worker, as he plies the awl, sings of the Saviour's love, aye, glorified far more than in many a prebendal stall where official religiousness performs its scanty duties. The name of Jesus is glorified by the poor unlearned carter as he drives his horse, and blesses his God, or speaks to his fellow labourer by the roadside, as much as by the popular divine who, throughout the country, like Boanerges, is thundering out the gospel. God is glorified by our serving him in our proper vocations. Take care, dear reader, that you do not forsake the path of duty by leaving your occupation, and take care you do not dishonour your profession while in it. Think little of yourselves, but do not think too little of your callings. Every lawful trade may be sanctified by the gospel to noblest ends. Turn to the Bible, and you will find the most menial forms of labour connected either with most daring deeds of faith, or with persons whose lives have been illustrious for holiness...."
https://www.biblegateway.com/devotionals/morning-and-evening/2013/06/27
1 Corinthians 7:20
Some persons have the foolish notion that the only way in which they can live for God is by becoming ministers, missionaries, or Bible women. Alas! how many would be shut out from any opportunity of magnifying the Most High if this were the case. Beloved, it is not office, it is earnestness; it is not position, it is grace which will enable us to glorify God. God is most surely glorified in that cobbler's stall, where the godly worker, as he plies the awl, sings of the Saviour's love, aye, glorified far more than in many a prebendal stall where official religiousness performs its scanty duties. The name of Jesus is glorified by the poor unlearned carter as he drives his horse, and blesses his God, or speaks to his fellow labourer by the roadside, as much as by the popular divine who, throughout the country, like Boanerges, is thundering out the gospel. God is glorified by our serving him in our proper vocations. Take care, dear reader, that you do not forsake the path of duty by leaving your occupation, and take care you do not dishonour your profession while in it. Think little of yourselves, but do not think too little of your callings. Every lawful trade may be sanctified by the gospel to noblest ends. Turn to the Bible, and you will find the most menial forms of labour connected either with most daring deeds of faith, or with persons whose lives have been illustrious for holiness...."
https://www.biblegateway.com/devotionals/morning-and-evening/2013/06/27
J
This is the same Paul who previously wrote to these same Corinthians...
I Corinthians chapter 5
[9] I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
[10] Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
[11] But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
[12] For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
[13] But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
...so I understand what he was talking about.
I Corinthians chapter 5
[9] I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
[10] Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
[11] But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
[12] For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
[13] But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
...so I understand what he was talking about.