ARE YOU A SLAVE TO RIGHTEOUSNESS?

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VioletReigns

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SLAVE TO RIGHTEOUSNESS

There is a considerable amount of time, effort and space spent in the Bible Discussion forum in heated debates and dreadful “admonition”. I’ve read elsewhere in the other forums that this particular forum has earned quite a reputation as a frightfully unpleasant place to come into. Many members refuse to venture into the Bible Discussion forum because the Word of God is most often delivered like a weapon rather than shared as food. And unless you’re considered a “scholar in the Word”, you may be silenced by condescending posts that attempt to prove you "unskilled" and in "grave error".

I don't believe any one of those who post here with words of fire and brimstone would ever attempt to physically stand in an assembly of believers and audibly proclaim in the same manner they do in this Bible Discussion forum. People take serious liberties behind this computer screen. I'm sure no respecting body of believers would allow brothers and sisters in Christ to breathe such fiery contradictions back and forth to one another. People, we need to pray and seek God about our motives before posting things on this site for the whole world to read.

I’m convinced that the majority of saints who post in the Bible Discussion believe they are doing God a service by defending the faith. They believe it is their calling to debate the Word and set people straight to “obey the law”. Yet they fail to see that human goodness, personal holiness, is NOT the reality. The reality is Redemption of Jesus Christ. That is the ONLY reality we need to be aware of.

Holiness is the result of Jesus’ redemption. We do not make ourselves holy to get redeemed or to maintain redemption - we are redeemed by the Blood of Christ Jesus and He makes us holy. He conforms us and makes us in His image through His work by the Holy Spirit He placed in us. Christ has taken up residence in us whereby He reigns sovereign in us and we now reign in Him, by Him and for Him only.

If we focus on ourselves, if we put our faith in our own efforts to be holy, we will never endure testing and trials, we will only come up short. If we dwell upon the weakness in ourselves or in others, repelled by the horrid sinfulness in the world, we have not allowed Christ to be the sole focus of our life. Jesus did not despise nor condemn the world. He came to offer salvation through His redemption. You must abandon your entire will to Him, even your identity. The only identity we have now is Jesus Christ. He is the only reality.

We do not separate ourselves, Romans 1:1 tells us that it pleased God to separate us to the gospel. We should have no interest in our identity or in our character or in our personal holiness. That is not anywhere near the life of Redemption. It is the work of God.

There must be reckless abandon to the Lord. We cannot walk in victory and deliverance while our interest is in our own character. We must be conscious of Jesus Christ, not of ourselves. When you tell people to focus on their own character, to make themselves obey, you are leading them away from the Cross of Redemption. We must be so totally surrendered to the Lord Jesus that we proclaim to the world Jesus Christ crucified - nothing else.

Romans 6
15. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16. Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17.But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19. I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20. When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22. But now that you have been set free from sinand have become slaves of Jesus, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

How do you offer yourself a slave to righteousness? By abandoning your own intellect and personal goals to be holy and reckon yourself a salve, captured and ruled now by the Spirit of Jesus Christ. YOU ARE GOD’s SLAVE! Nothing you can do will separate you from that fact once you are a child of God. You are His, not your own. He has set you free and you need to come to terms with that reality. You are holy because of Christ. Now walk in it like you believe it!

The Law in the Old Testament was to show us that we could never keep the law perfectly by human effort. Jesus tells us that if we keep the Law but then stumble in one little tiny thing, we are GUILTY OF ALL. Brothers and sisters, don’t kid yourself. You cannot even begin to make yourself good and holy. NEVER! It is God at work in you making you want to obey Him and then performing His will through. It is a mystery and an amazing grace at work because of Jesus Christ.

So how exactly is God keeping us from the law of sin? I only know that it is a FREE GIFT of GRACE, a miraculous Redemption that when I am focused on Jesus Christ and not myself, sin has no place in my life. Either I am looking to Jesus, the Author and Finisher of my faith, and am walking in liberty and joy – or I am conscious of my own sin, every day unnecessarily striving and struggling to keep my flesh holy.

Jesus has set us free from sin and has renewed our hearts to see only Him, His righteousness, His holiness, His glory, His wisdom, His mercy, His love for mankind. If you are focused on yourself, your righteousness, your holiness, your glory, your wisdom, your mercy, your love for mankind, you are lost, my friend.

I pray in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord that this Bible Discussion forum would come to the end of harsh debating and prideful boasting and begin teaching and preaching the Redemption in Jesus Christ. What joy and blessing in God’s sight it will be when new people come into this room and learn of Jesus Christ and His great redeeming love, and nothing more. May the Lord Jesus be glorified and honored and praised!

Grace of Jesus Christ to you all, brothers and sisters in Christ. And to those who have not yet received spiritual sight, I pray the Lord open your heart to receive His Light and Love. :)
 
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psychomom

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i have missed you, Violet.

thank you for the post. ♥
 
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Sirk

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Great perspective. Thanks for sharing. Pride is easily masked behind a facade self righteousness.
 
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Just me, but I really like this forum and even though it does get a little heated at times...it has not kept me out of the (kitchen) God's people need not be so easily offended and sometimes we do need to make a rock solid stand in order to defend the truth.....

Now just to answer the OP.......I try to serve God and on many things I make a rock solid stand and will not compromise, but like Paul and others...I fail the Lord in many ways and many times......I am like the guy who beats upon his breast seeking mercy because I am a sinner saved by grace.........The Lord came to heal those who know they need it and as far as the self righteous...they will be thrust out!
 
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VioletReigns

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i have missed you, Violet.

thank you for the post. ♥
Thank you, my dear sister and friend! ♥ I'm usually here on a daily basis but not posting as much because... well, I was getting angry and disturbed by some of the heinous posts that were misleading people. I have to meditate with God sometimes for days before posting because "the wrath of man doesn't work the righteousness of God." If I post my own stinking judgments, I'll just be a hindrance. So I'm posting less but at least it's what God wants me to post and not my "filthy rags" of self-righteousness. Yuck!!! :p

Glory to God!! \ :D /

 
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VioletReigns

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Just me, but I really like this forum and even though it does get a little heated at times...it has not kept me out of the (kitchen) God's people need not be so easily offended and sometimes we do need to make a rock solid stand in order to defend the truth.....

Now just to answer the OP.......I try to serve God and on many things I make a rock solid stand and will not compromise, but like Paul and others...I fail the Lord in many ways and many times......I am like the guy who beats upon his breast seeking mercy because I am a sinner saved by grace.........The Lord came to heal those who know they need it and as far as the self righteous...they will be thrust out!

Thank you for your comment, dear brother & friend, dcontraversal! ♥

As I stated in my comment above,
"The wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God." Not only do I get agitated in the spirit with the brethren intentionally posting harsh responses to one another, more importantly I am concerned that those who have not yet come into the Light of Jesus Christ and who seek deliverance from sin and shame are turned away from this Christian site by the cold and merciless words of its members.
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Jesus says, "Come to me, all you who are laboring and have heavy burdens and I will give you rest." When there is unrest and dischord in this forum, how will the lost see the love and light of Jesus?
 
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Thank you for your comment, dear brother & friend, dcontraversal! ♥

As I stated in my comment above,
"The wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God." Not only do I get agitated in the spirit with the brethren intentionally posting harsh responses to one another, more importantly I am concerned that those who have not yet come into the Light of Jesus Christ and who seek deliverance from sin and shame are turned away from this Christian site by the cold and merciless words of its members.
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Jesus says, "Come to me, all you who are laboring and have heavy burdens and I will give you rest." When there is unrest and dischord in this forum, how will the lost see the love and light of Jesus?
Well like Paul said...some preach the truth out of love, some out of pretense while trying to make the apostles look foolish...yet at the end of the day the word was preached and has the ability to shine through any and all distractions.....!
 
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kennethcadwell

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Very good article, and this has been tried before and has gone as far as calling out those who use the harsh unedifying language toward others when they don't agree. This needs to end between brothers and sisters in Christ, and until our fellow members in Christ stop misusing how the Lord rebuked the Pharisees to use as their example as how they talk to others. I am afraid it will not end, as they believe they are doing nothing wrong with such unedifying name calling childish behavior. We all have our differences, but it should never become heated, condemning, and unedifying.
And yes I do not believe we are held to the 613 Mosaic laws that showed us our sins, and a need for a Savior. However the NT still gives standards as well that a born again believer is to walk in. Apostle Paul spends over half his epistles warning believers about sin, and the dangers it still can have on our life. I do also believe what you say about receiving the redemption through Jesus, and the bible tells us clearly how that takes place. Faith by hearing the word, trusting in what it said, and then repentance and baptism to receive remission of sin present and past (Romans 10:17, Acts 2:38, Romans 3:25, 2 Peter 1:9). Future sins are then given remission at time of refreshing when you do sin again, then confess that sin do to the Godly sorrow you feel for committing it (Acts 3:19, 2 Corinthians 7:10, 1 John 1:9).
 
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VioletReigns

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I also want to mention the main reason I posted this message. The Lord God has revealed in my heart that when I allow anger to dictate my thoughts and impulsively post from that standpoint, no matter how right I think I am, it is not God's righteousness. The Lord does not want our liberty to cause others to stumble. When Jesus is in our midst, it is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

I am terribly humbled and in reverence of Almighty God that He would show me such mercy when I have been in such a wrong attitude. I praise Him for forgiving me and for revealing His righteousness and making me surrender my carnal mind to Him and reckon Him able to do what He purposes to do.
 
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Sirk

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Very good article, and this has been tried before and has gone as far as calling out those who use the harsh unedifying language toward others when they don't agree. This needs to end between brothers and sisters in Christ, and until our fellow members in Christ stop misusing how the Lord rebuked the Pharisees to use as their example as how they talk to others. I am afraid it will not end, as they believe they are doing nothing wrong with such unedifying name calling childish behavior. We all have our differences, but it should never become heated, condemning, and unedifying.
And yes I do not believe we are held to the 613 Mosaic laws that showed us our sins, and a need for a Savior. However the NT still gives standards as well that a born again believer is to walk in. Apostle Paul spends over half his epistles warning believers about sin, and the dangers it still can have on our life. I do also believe what you say about receiving the redemption through Jesus, and the bible tells us clearly how that takes place. Faith by hearing the word, trusting in what it said, and then repentance and baptism to receive remission of sin present and past (Romans 10:17, Acts 2:38, Romans 3:25, 2 Peter 1:9). Future sins are then given remission at time of refreshing when you do sin again, then confess that sin do to the Godly sorrow you feel for committing it (Acts 3:19, 2 Corinthians 7:10, 1 John 1:9).
What do you do about the myriad of ways you will sin throughout your life and do not know it?
 
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psychomom

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Not only do I get agitated in the spirit with the brethren intentionally posting harsh responses to one another, more importantly I am concerned that those who have not yet come into the Light of Jesus Christ and who seek deliverance from sin and shame are turned away from this Christian site by the cold and merciless words of its members.
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this.

and not only those who are not yet redeemed, but those who may be young in the faith.
or those whose dad may be dying (but we don't know it), or whose child is sick,
or whose college age kid has gone off the rails, or any of a million different things
that we don't know about.

we see so very little of and about each other, yet almost all of us have made the mistake
of thinking we know more than we do. (i'm talking to myself here :( )

we could go beyond 'benefit of the doubt' and give one another the grace
we've received in Christ.

i probably (?) won't post again for a loooong time, but i'll be reading and praying and loving you all.



 
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kennethcadwell

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What do you do about the myriad of ways you will sin throughout your life and do not know it?

The bible does not say we have to know, as in know exactly what way or how we have sinned.
The Lords prayer of Matthew 6:9-13 and David's Psalm 19:12-13 are clear examples given to use on this, as if you hold to those principles of the Lord, which one who is in the Spirit will do then you will be cleansed of all unrighteousness by the Lord's blood.
 
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VioletReigns

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this.

and not only those who are not yet redeemed, but those who may be young in the faith.
or those whose dad may be dying (but we don't know it), or whose child is sick,
or whose college age kid has gone off the rails, or any of a million different things
that we don't know about.

we see so very little of and about each other, yet almost all of us have made the mistake
of thinking we know more than we do. (i'm talking to myself here :( )

we could go beyond 'benefit of the doubt' and give one another the grace
we've received in Christ.


AMEN, AMEN, and AMEN, SISTER!!!!!
 
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The bible does not say we have to know, as in know exactly what way or how we have sinned.
The Lords prayer of Matthew 6:9-13 and David's Psalm 19:12-13 are clear examples given to use on this, as if you hold to those principles of the Lord, which one who is in the Spirit will do then you will be cleansed of all unrighteousness by the Lord's blood.
Are you saying that you can sin sins of ignorance and it will not matter if you know whether or not you have sinned?

What about conviction and or the word of God and KNOWING you have sinned.....where does it say that sins of ignorance do not matter?
 
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Sirk

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The bible does not say we have to know, as in know exactly what way or how we have sinned.
The Lords prayer of Matthew 6:9-13 and David's Psalm 19:12-13 are clear examples given to use on this, as if you hold to those principles of the Lord, which one who is in the Spirit will do then you will be cleansed of all unrighteousness by the Lord's blood.
First you say that it is possible live a sinless life then you say we can just recite a prayer everyday to cover our unknown sins? Your doctrine is very confusing to me.
 
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First you say that it is possible live a sinless life then you say we can just recite a prayer everyday to cover our unknown sins? Your doctrine is very confusing to me.
Kind of like a ritualistic R.C. prayer habit.......!
 
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Sirk

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Kind of like a ritualistic R.C. prayer habit.......!
I know! I guess I'll never understand the people who complicate the simplicity of the cross and the implications that it brings when we live our lives under its light and life.
 
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kennethcadwell

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First you say that it is possible live a sinless life then you say we can just recite a prayer everyday to cover our unknown sins? Your doctrine is very confusing to me.
Please do not derail her thread, but I never once said it is possible to live a sin free life.
What I said was that a person can learn by the Holy Spirit to have self control so that sins do not control their life, and when you have repented of previous sins and confessed your future sins when those times of refreshing comes around do to a sin again. You are considered through the Lord to God as being sin free, because your sins have been forgiven and covered by His blood. There also is a big difference in backsliding here or there, and continuing to live day in and day out everyday in the same sins. The scriptures that say produce fruit or works worthy of repentance is about showing in your walk that you are trying to turn away and stop walking in them.
 

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Yeah, i'm feeling this thread. Where my weakness lies is when people who are trollish or exceedingly legalistic in their views come on CC and start posting obvious wrong doctrine or just not very nice people at all, sometimes my own words can get in the way and i'm sorry I allow that to happen. Many times I've typed something out, thought no i'm not going to post that and then erased or pressed back button. I should do that more often at times, oh God help me to not be so proud and high minded.
 
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Sirk

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Please do not derail her thread, but I never once said it is possible to live a sin free life.
What I said was that a person can learn by the Holy Spirit to have self control so that sins do not control their life, and when you have repented of previous sins and confessed your future sins when those times of refreshing comes around do to a sin again. You are considered through the Lord to God as being sin free, because your sins have been forgiven and covered by His blood. There also is a big difference in backsliding here or there, and continuing to live day in and day out everyday in the same sins. The scriptures that say produce fruit or works worthy of repentance is about showing in your walk that you are trying to turn away and stop walking in them.
Me thinks the reason you find yourself on the defensive all the time is because the majority of your posts are so disagreeable. I may just have to ignore you.....and no it's not because the holy spirit is convicting me.....I think it's your "red light" approach to people and your high and mighty all knowing all seeing all understanding attitude.