what we think of gays...

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In here I'd like you to get acquainted with what the bible really says about gay people. This is from the King James Bible.
I would like to break it down to you, so you understand what you are reading and what you should be believing as Christians.

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death"

So what do we read here?
Let us break it down.
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman..."
ok. So when a man also [lies] with a man, as he [lies] lies with a woman"... ok. There we go. Gay people dont sleep with women. They sleep with men. And gay women sleep with women, and don't do so with men.
So they don't lie (sleep) with women as they do with men. I guess that when you get to a good party and sleep over somehere, and you end the night with a gay men next to you. Don't expect him to lay with you as he does with a friend. You'll be sleeping girls.

"both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death"

This one is simple. Are you for the death penalty for gay people or not? That's it. If not: it's in the bible, so why are you against it?
 
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1still_waters

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Hmm I really don't know where you intend to take this, but expound, so we can see.
 
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Theov

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is it, based on that, an abomination, and should it be punished by death?
 
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Thaddaeus

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and even in the new testament

Ro 1:25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.Ro 1:26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:Ro 1:27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.Ro 1:28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;Ro 1:29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,Ro 1:30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,Ro 1:31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:Ro 1:32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
 
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1still_waters

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Theov said:
is it, based on that, an abomination, and should it be punished by death?
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Well I wonder why you're interested in asking that?


If we say no, then that leaves room for you to say something like, "Well if you throw that part of scripture out, then why don't you also throw out the anti-gay parts too?"

I'm just wondering if you legitimately are wanting to know our answers on this?

I will say no they should not be killed because now we're under grace. But this doesn't mean homosexuality is ok.
 
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But we can preach hard against Homosexual acts while all the others run rampant in the Chruches;Ro 1:29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,Ro 1:30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,Ro 1:31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:


go figure:
 
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1still_waters

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Thaddaeus said:
But we can preach hard against Homosexual acts while all the others run rampant in the Chruches;Ro 1:29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,Ro 1:30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,Ro 1:31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:


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I've never heard a preacher preach in favor of all those. I think this whole 'they preach against homosexuality but not everything else' is just a myth created by those who want to justify homosexuality or go easy on it.
 
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1still_waters

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All that being said, when ever we preach 'against something' we must do it with both 'grace' and 'truth' just like Jesus. He came in grace and truth. We must also be like Paul who told people they could be free from it, and not in a condemning way. Bottom line is, we shouldn't go easy on any sin, but we must preach truth mixed with love and grace.

And we can't justify one sin, by saying we supposedly ignore all the other sins.
 
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The Leviticus quote is describing the nature of the sin. When a man lies with another man the way he would under natural circumstances lie with a woman, then it is an abomination.

It is both unnatural and unlawful. It is contrary to design and intent. It is a perversion.
 
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Slepsog4

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Thaddeus,

What makes you think that the other things you listed from Romans 1 are not preached against? Have you attended every service of every church in every city, county, state, country, continent....?

Are you suggesting that we stop preaching against any sin just because some are guilty of other sins?
 
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The message on Leviticus 20:13 is clear; unnatural lusts were to be punished with death!

I would like to speak loudly, "Kill 'em, kill 'em all..!!"
But I'm a follower of Christ, those days are gone.
As Jesus said:
"I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
 
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I would like to speak loudly, "Kill 'em, kill 'em all..!!"
But I'm a follower of Christ, those days are gone.
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Yet Christians believe sinners will spend a torturous existance for eternity in hell.. so I wouldn't say "those days are gone", they are just delayed for the Judgement.
 
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I questioned the spirit of the intention on which this thread is made.
Therefore, does it even warrant a lengthy argument where one's position is set into the stone?

Homosexuality is a sin among other sin as well.
They are all fall short from the glory of God.

But, you know what, if repentance and remorse exist within the hearts of the sinners (let it be gays, thief, murderers, liars, etc), the turning of one's life into a new creation, and acceptance of Jesus Christ's love and sacrifice for one's life, I think they are all fall under God's mercy.

Therefore, Death no longer applies as they are forgiven by God.
 
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I don't think homosexuality is wrong anyway, God made you the way you are and you don't choose to be gay so... yeah :)
 
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I think gays are sinnners just like the rest of us. Homosexuality is a sin, but we are living in a time where the rebellion against what God designed has taken second place to tolerance for gay marriage, gay acceptance etc..... I am civil to gays, but you will never hear me agree with their lifestyle. I love watching Ellen Degenerres and find her hillarious and a great comedian who does a lot of good things for the world, but the truth is she is rebelling against God and I pray for her. She is saying "this is me, and I am not going to follow your plan cause it just doesn't jive with mine". I do not find myself better than her, I find myself as in much of a need for a savior as she is. We as Christians need to be careful of not judging because we have planks in our own eyes. She is gay, that is her sin issue, I get angry, and I have issues with dealing with unforgiveness towards those who have hurt me, and I am suffer with masterbation.......so on that breath does that make me any different? no, I am still a horrible wretch. Being gay is just one more sin on the branch. We have to be careful not to judge them, or treat them any differently. That is not godly or loving. God hung out with all the sluts, and thieves and wretches in the world there is.
 
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A couple of things about the sin of homosexuality:

1. Because it strikes at the very foundation of civilization, tolerating it is eroding marriage and the home as God intended.

2. Because it is an aberration of the design and intent of sex it is a perversion, it is unnatural, God calls it detestable or an abomination.

NOTE: All fornication (ie, sexual immorality) is sinful. But both homosexuality and beastiality are labeled as noted above.
 
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Cari said:
I don't think homosexuality is wrong anyway, God made you the way you are and you don't choose to be gay so... yeah :)
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A lot of damage is done in this world because people ignore the Word of God. People twist it and skip over parts, to make themselves feel better about what they're doing/condoning.

God forgives us our sins, yes...but does that mean we should purposely go around doing the very things God calls 'an abomination'? I mean, if God doesn't condone it, should we?

I have homosexual friends. I love them, but do not encourage them in their life style. Also, when they use the argument that I've just quoted from Cari, I don't let it slide...because it's not true.

Homosexuality IS wrong.

God makes us all the way we are- to an extent. Meaning, He created us; but then gave us choices. I could say, I'm slightly on the fat side 'because God made me that way', or, I could say, "God made me, and I chose to eat too much ice cream and not get enough exercise."

Homosexuals say, "God made me to be gay", instead of saying the truth-God made them, and they CHOSE to become gay.

But regardless, I don't think homosexuality is something that requires a death sentence. Humans are quick to judge and condemn, some of us doing so 'in God's name' because we take scriptures too literally or find a way to 'justify' it by twisting God's word.

It's not our place to judge one another so harshly. Should we be against homosexuality, and other sins? Of course. Should we torment/abuse/condemn the sinner? Absolutely not.
 
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Seriously, we are sooooo at the end. I saw an ad on my page about a woman that now wants 2 husbands! This is getting insane. The morality is at an all time low.

Basically a gay person that chooses this lifestyle is saying to God "screw you, I need to do what is right for me, and I have these feelings, and I was born this way". Why else do you think that God has created a man and a woman to reproduce? don't you think he is saying something right there? I do. But no, we live in a culture now that if you speak against it, you are a hateful racist. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not saying at all to hate them or to judge them, but being gay is a sin. Pre-Marital sex is a sin. Ok.....let me make this point. I am a single woman, and I am not having sex....was I born to get horny and want to engage in sex? hell yes. But I have a CHOICE! whether or not to do it. God says wait till marriage, so I will wait till marriage. I am sooooooooo sick and tired of the world justifying their sin. A sin is a sin, not a borne illness. I don't really care anymore, I have HAD it with this place. Look around Christians, we are a dying breed and Satan is ruling the world. The other day when I was working out at the gym they showed a movie when I was on the treadmill and Scarlett Johansen was kissing a woman, and I was very very offended. But today? if you say that out loud? you are a judgmental hateful person that has not succeeded at the art of TOLERANCE. I am at a point, excuse my language, but I am at a point, where I just don't give a **** anymore. Satan is ruling the world, but he will NEVER rule me.
 
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supernova, don't you see a contradiction between you using expletives (starred out or otherwise) and then saying "satan will never rule me".
 
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Sure Mahogony, like I said before I am a horrible wretch in need of a savior.
 
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