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Yeshua is the Messiah. Of course I follow his instructions. They are as the instructions of G-d, because Yeshua comes with the authority of G-d.
As to the whole new covenant thing, the "new" used there is "renewed". It's the same covenant, just clearer (Yeshua completely supported following Judaism and Torah, as everything he taught came straight from Torah and Judaism) and with added recipients
As to the whole new covenant thing, the "new" used there is "renewed". It's the same covenant, just clearer (Yeshua completely supported following Judaism and Torah, as everything he taught came straight from Torah and Judaism) and with added recipients
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Yeshua is the Messiah. Of course I follow his instructions. They are as the instructions of G-d, because Yeshua comes with the authority of G-d.
As to the whole new covenant thing, the "new" used there is "renewed". It's the same covenant, just clearer (Yeshua completely supported following Judaism and Torah, as everything he taught came straight from Torah and Judaism) and with added recipients
As to the whole new covenant thing, the "new" used there is "renewed". It's the same covenant, just clearer (Yeshua completely supported following Judaism and Torah, as everything he taught came straight from Torah and Judaism) and with added recipients
Let me understand this: your non-Jewish parents sent you to Jewish school to give you a moral center. I assume that you were not Bar-Mitvahed and that your circumcision was done by a doctor. But you believed you were Jewish and so now that you know, you are going to be converted. Meanwhile you have come to this site to celebrate you Jewishness among the Christians.
Yeshua is the Messiah. Of course I follow his instructions. They are as the instructions of G-d, because Yeshua comes with the authority of G-d.
As to the whole new covenant thing, the "new" used there is "renewed". It's the same covenant, just clearer (Yeshua completely supported following Judaism and Torah, as everything he taught came straight from Torah and Judaism) and with added recipients
As to the whole new covenant thing, the "new" used there is "renewed". It's the same covenant, just clearer (Yeshua completely supported following Judaism and Torah, as everything he taught came straight from Torah and Judaism) and with added recipients
The Old Covenant was made between God and the NATION of Israel. It NEVER applied to Gentiles. The New Covenant was made between God and INDIVIDUALS, and included Jews and Gentiles.
Galatians 4: 21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise. 24 These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written: "Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband." 28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does the Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son." 31 Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
Romans 3: 19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
Romans 6: 14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace
Romans 7: 4 So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.
Paul makes it abundantly clear that we are no longer under the law of Moses. Why does anyone want to continue to hold on to it?
I wasn't speaking to the meaning of the word, but to the way Yeshua clearly meant it. He never once said not to follow the "old" laws - quite the opposite! In Matthew 5, he says that if you follow Torah and teach others to do so, you will be called great in the kingdom of heaven, but if you do not follow Torah and teach others not to, you will be called least. I'd say that's pretty clear as to how Yeshua feels about Torah
As for the reason I came to this site, I have a very dear older sister on this site, Hollie (lil-rush). I came to be with her, but I didn't come to "celebrate my Jewishness", I also came to gain a better understanding of the Word of G-d with my Christian brethren
As for the reason I came to this site, I have a very dear older sister on this site, Hollie (lil-rush). I came to be with her, but I didn't come to "celebrate my Jewishness", I also came to gain a better understanding of the Word of G-d with my Christian brethren
Ah, but in Matthew 5, Yeshua said he came to fulfill, not abolish, the Torah. If it is no more, as you say, then you call Yeshua a liar. If Torah is "no more", then Yeshua abolished it, which he clearly says he did not.
This shows a blatant lack of understanding as to the Tanakh ("old" testament) Multiple times in the Tanakh, G-d tells the people of Israel that the Torah ("old covenant") applies to them AND the foreigner (read: gentiles) among them. Avraham himself was the one G-d first made the "old covenant" to, and he wasn't of the nation of Israel!
G-d is not a racist. What He gives as a standard for one people, He gives as a standard for all people.
Two main reasons:
1) It is the law of G-D, not of Moshe. It was only given to Moshe to give to the people, but it is the law of G-d.
2) Yeshua says, again, in Matthew 5:19-20, "So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot and teaches others to do so will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness is far greater than that of the Torah-teachers and P'rushim, you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven!"
This shows a blatant lack of understanding as to the Tanakh ("old" testament)
Multiple times in the Tanakh, G-d tells the people of Israel that the Torah ("old covenant") applies to them AND the foreigner (read: gentiles) among them. Avraham himself was the one G-d first made the "old covenant" to, and he wasn't of the nation of Israel! G-d is not a racist. What He gives as a standard for one people, He gives as a standard for all people.
Two main reasons:
1) It is the law of G-D, not of Moshe. It was only given to Moshe to give to the people, but it is the law of G-d.
2) Yeshua says, again, in Matthew 5:19-20, "So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot and teaches others to do so will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness is far greater than that of the Torah-teachers and P'rushim, you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven!"
C
I wasn't speaking to the meaning of the word, but to the way Yeshua clearly meant it. He never once said not to follow the "old" laws - quite the opposite! In Matthew 5, he says that if you follow Torah and teach others to do so, you will be called great in the kingdom of heaven, but if you do not follow Torah and teach others not to, you will be called least. I'd say that's pretty clear as to how Yeshua feels about Torah
As for the reason I came to this site, I have a very dear older sister on this site, Hollie (lil-rush). I came to be with her, but I didn't come to "celebrate my Jewishness", I also came to gain a better understanding of the Word of G-d with my Christian brethren
As for the reason I came to this site, I have a very dear older sister on this site, Hollie (lil-rush). I came to be with her, but I didn't come to "celebrate my Jewishness", I also came to gain a better understanding of the Word of G-d with my Christian brethren
Why aren't you spending time chatting with your sister.
Ah, but in Matthew 5, Yeshua said he came to fulfill, not abolish, the Torah. If it is no more, as you say, then you call Yeshua a liar. If Torah is "no more", then Yeshua abolished it, which he clearly says he did not.
This shows a blatant lack of understanding as to the Tanakh ("old" testament) Multiple times in the Tanakh, G-d tells the people of Israel that the Torah ("old covenant") applies to them AND the foreigner (read: gentiles) among them. Avraham himself was the one G-d first made the "old covenant" to, and he wasn't of the nation of Israel!
G-d is not a racist. What He gives as a standard for one people, He gives as a standard for all people.
Two main reasons:
1) It is the law of G-D, not of Moshe. It was only given to Moshe to give to the people, but it is the law of G-d.
2) Yeshua says, again, in Matthew 5:19-20, "So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot and teaches others to do so will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness is far greater than that of the Torah-teachers and P'rushim, you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven!"
This shows a blatant lack of understanding as to the Tanakh ("old" testament)
Multiple times in the Tanakh, G-d tells the people of Israel that the Torah ("old covenant") applies to them AND the foreigner (read: gentiles) among them. Avraham himself was the one G-d first made the "old covenant" to, and he wasn't of the nation of Israel! G-d is not a racist. What He gives as a standard for one people, He gives as a standard for all people.
Two main reasons:
1) It is the law of G-D, not of Moshe. It was only given to Moshe to give to the people, but it is the law of G-d.
2) Yeshua says, again, in Matthew 5:19-20, "So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot and teaches others to do so will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness is far greater than that of the Torah-teachers and P'rushim, you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven!"
I said the law was fulfilled and you quote a scripture saying the same thing as evidence that I am wrong! ???? And if the Mosaic Law included the Gentiles, why were they excluded from the temple? Why were they excluded from fellowship? Why weren't they circumcised?
Do not accuse me of calling Jesus a liar. If you can't debate with facts and logic, and must instead use offensive accusations, then maybe you are in the wrong place.
You said it was fulfilled, but then in the next sentence you said it was done away with. I AM using logic, sir If it was done away with, it was abolished. If it was abolished, then Yeshua is a liar, because he said it was NOT abolished.
Gentiles were excluded from the Temple and fellowship because they refused to follow G-d. Had they chosen to follow Torah (which MANY gentiles had), they would not have been excluded. Same goes for circumcision.
If it was done away with, it was abolished. If it was abolished, then Yeshua is a liar, because he said it was NOT abolished. Gentiles were excluded from the Temple and fellowship because they refused to follow G-d. Had they chosen to follow Torah (which MANY gentiles had), they would not have been excluded. Same goes for circumcision.
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