Life is but a vapor

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DawnIs12

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The United States is a strange country when it comes to Christianity. You have millions upon millions who identify themselves as Christians, yet you see no fruit in most. It scares me to think of how many people I have heard say they are going to heaven because "they" are good, or because they were baptized as an infant, or because they said a prayer once with their VBS leader with the other kids. God makes it clear that it's by repenting (seeking humbly His forgiveness with no excuses)and following Him alone, in other words TRULY knowing and belonging to Him not continuing in sin but a new creation in Christ Jesus. Do we realize that most Christians spend more time watching tv or sports than in prayer or in the Bible? How can we ask why Americas falling apart when the answers so obvious. When many go to churches now, they feel like they're in an organized club where things are kept on a polite schedule; songs, offering, and a sermon that had better end on time so lunch isn't missed. Where are those who want to give their lives to God, who understand we are only here for a moment (anytime our lives are talked about in Scripture it's always mentioned how quickly it goes by as a vapor). People aren't getting what they need from the church, and the church should stop seeking what they need from the world. Listen, I've just got on this sight but it's already breaking my heart to see some of the post. People giving their opinions, but I beg everyone to think on this, there is only one truth and it doesn't belong to any man or woman, it's Gods alone. He's given us life in Christ Jesus to any who will be wise and follow. We need Christians who will truly bow themselves down before God and give Him everything, their time, their energy, their money, their lives. When was the last time you left church speechless? Where you could only think of God and prayed to Him for more of Him? Have you truly surrendered to His will and given up your rights and your life to follow Him? There is nothing in this world that can give you what Jesus can and He's worth giving our lives too. May our days on earth no longer be spend on ourselves; may we love as we ought, forgive as we ought, and stay focused as Paul said to"run a good race" for the only good One who is worthy of all we can give, my Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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There is a false gospel being preached. A false gospel where one "trusts in Jesus" and where the trust is in this mythical provision whereby people think Jesus absorbed the wrath of God and the obedience of Jesus is credited to themselves Thus the actual condition of the heart has nothing to do with salvation with these people, it is a secondary issue. People end up believing that salvation is a mere POSITION one holds due to "trusting in Jesus" and that any compulsion to actually "do" anything is "salvation by works" and is attacked.

This false gospel is the reason why there is a lack of fruit in the churches.

[video=youtube;XPuhbm74JRU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPuhbm74JRU[/video]
 
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Perception of the Value of the Soul

Our ability to apprehend things by means of our senses, cognitive ability and our understanding is known as our perception. The issue I would like to consider is do we really perceive the value of our own soul?


Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.




Our soul is basically our self awareness, it is our consciousness, it is our life. It is what we take with us everywhere we go no matter what we are doing. It is that part of us that is separate from the machine of our body, it is that part of us that we could call "I am." Not in the sense to blaspheme and make ourselves as God (Exo 3:15, Joh 8:58), but in the sense that we are created in the image of God and have an intellect and are self aware (Gen 1:26).


Jesus made the interesting comment, "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" (Mar 8:36). Here Jesus clearly implies that the soul of a man is more valuable than that of anything that a man could hope to gain in the world.




Jesus was in a house teaching His disciples one day and he gave the following two illustrations...


Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Mat 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.




Jesus asserted that one ought spare no expense in order to obtain entrance into the kingdom of heaven. Bearing this in mind it is no surprise then that Jesus stated the following...


Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
Luk 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?




In Luke chapter 13 we find the following...


Luk 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.


Strive in the Greek is "agōnizomai" and literally means to "agonise, struggle, contend for a prize." It is the same word Paul used when he wrote the following...






1Co 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
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The incorruptible crown is eternal life for the soul and it is indeed of very great value. One must also contend earnestly to receive it. Jesus clearly taught that eternal life was not something that was easily obtained but was actually something very difficult, it is something that comes at great price.




A very expensive price indeed. So expensive that one ought consider the price before they even begin to make such a transaction...


Luk 14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
Luk 14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
Luk 14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Luk 14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
Luk 14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
Luk 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.




Paul wrote that we were bought with a price and that we are also to present our bodies as a living sacrifice to God...


1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.




Jesus taught that our souls are of great value.




Mat 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
Mat 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Mat 10:31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.


So did the Father...


Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.




Life is short. Life is a vapour.


Jas 4:14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.


Will you esteem value on your soul or will you exchange it for temporal pursuits?


That is the question!
 
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dawn, your observation is not only correct, but it is far far worse in reality than you have seen.

one of the biggest obstacles in the last 40 years has been the tremendous influx of idolatry and heresy

into the usa; and that is apparently not "pliticacally(sic) correct" nor "religiously correct" nor "socially correct" to point out.

on this forum, it is one of the reasons there's so much dissension - the widespread trust people have placed in idolatry and heresy,

like in the usa,

and thinking that they are still pleasing to god (even when they murder the followers of yahshua(jesus)).

yes, it is an immoral government and demonic religious leaders at the current time, widespread and popular.
 

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There is a false gospel being preached. A false gospel where one "trusts in Jesus" and where the trust is in this mythical provision whereby people think Jesus absorbed the wrath of God and the obedience of Jesus is credited to themselves Thus the actual condition of the heart has nothing to do with salvation with these people, it is a secondary issue. People end up believing that salvation is a mere POSITION one holds due to "trusting in Jesus" and that any compulsion to actually "do" anything is "salvation by works" and is attacked.

This false gospel is the reason why there is a lack of fruit in the churches.
One is to trust in Jesus(faith)...Jesus did take the wrath due us upon Himself (substitutionary atonement)..the obedience of Christ is credited to those who believe (justification) and yes we do receive the New Birth/New Nature (regeneration).
You do deny some cardinal truths of the faith and by pontificating them as false doesn't make them so.
 
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DawnIs12

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Thank you both for your replies, this is what I was just pondering: John14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.-Spoken by The Lord multiple times along with "be ye Holy as I Am Holy". In John 8:11 Jesus said unto her, "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." This chapter is half loved by many because it's where the woman caught in adultery was saved by The Lord Jesus and the half you hear wonderfully quoted is "ye without sin cast the first stone", BUT read on He also said something equally wonderful "go and sin no more". When Jesus saves us He sets us apart, we are no longer to live in the filth of the world, He strengthens us to do this as we walk with Him. Perfection is in Christ alone, and through Him alone we are saved not of anything of ourselves. It is a false teaching that embraces sin as ok, and it makes me want to weep to see professing Christians flaunt their sin, but Jesus warned of false teachers and wolves among His sheep. [/FONT]
 
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DawnIs12

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I think the world is starving for a real church to do Gods real will, and God above all deserves His Glory in our obedience and devotion to Him and nothing else.
 

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I think the world is starving for a real church to do Gods real will, and God above all deserves His Glory in our obedience and devotion to Him and nothing else.
As long as the Church doesn't pander to the world. I think the world loves it's sin for the most part.
 

Reborn

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one of the biggest obstacles in the last 40 years has been the tremendous influx of idolatry and heresy
I agree.
Closer to 47 or so yrs ago.
Right around 1967, .....I believe?

If we only had a timeline to go off of? :(
 
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JesusistheChrist

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The United States is a strange country when it comes to Christianity. You have millions upon millions who identify themselves as Christians, yet you see no fruit in most. It scares me to think of how many people I have heard say they are going to heaven because "they" are good, or because they were baptized as an infant, or because they said a prayer once with their VBS leader with the other kids. God makes it clear that it's by repenting (seeking humbly His forgiveness with no excuses)and following Him alone, in other words TRULY knowing and belonging to Him not continuing in sin but a new creation in Christ Jesus. Do we realize that most Christians spend more time watching tv or sports than in prayer or in the Bible? How can we ask why Americas falling apart when the answers so obvious. When many go to churches now, they feel like they're in an organized club where things are kept on a polite schedule; songs, offering, and a sermon that had better end on time so lunch isn't missed. Where are those who want to give their lives to God, who understand we are only here for a moment (anytime our lives are talked about in Scripture it's always mentioned how quickly it goes by as a vapor). People aren't getting what they need from the church, and the church should stop seeking what they need from the world. Listen, I've just got on this sight but it's already breaking my heart to see some of the post. People giving their opinions, but I beg everyone to think on this, there is only one truth and it doesn't belong to any man or woman, it's Gods alone. He's given us life in Christ Jesus to any who will be wise and follow. We need Christians who will truly bow themselves down before God and give Him everything, their time, their energy, their money, their lives. When was the last time you left church speechless? Where you could only think of God and prayed to Him for more of Him? Have you truly surrendered to His will and given up your rights and your life to follow Him? There is nothing in this world that can give you what Jesus can and He's worth giving our lives too. May our days on earth no longer be spend on ourselves; may we love as we ought, forgive as we ought, and stay focused as Paul said to"run a good race" for the only good One who is worthy of all we can give, my Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen and amen.
 
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JesusistheChrist

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There is a false gospel being preached. A false gospel where one "trusts in Jesus" and where the trust is in this mythical provision whereby people think Jesus absorbed the wrath of God and the obedience of Jesus is credited to themselves Thus the actual condition of the heart has nothing to do with salvation with these people, it is a secondary issue. People end up believing that salvation is a mere POSITION one holds due to "trusting in Jesus" and that any compulsion to actually "do" anything is "salvation by works" and is attacked.

This false gospel is the reason why there is a lack of fruit in the churches.

[video=youtube;XPuhbm74JRU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPuhbm74JRU[/video]
I'm hoping that you don't believe that trash in the video and that you posted it to warn others of the false gospel of which you spoke. I made it through about 14 minutes of the video and that's about as much of it as I could stomach.
 
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A couple points to ponder applies here....

1. In a house are many vessels....some to honer and some not so honrable....
2. The Lord's churches for the most part have been salvation messaged to death while not being taught the deeper things of God and how to live as a believer in Christ....
3. At the end of the age there will be an apo-hystamie of the truth.....
4. People will give ear to the doctrines of devils and demons.....
5. People will reject the cold hard truths of God while pandering to the preachers to preach things that are (smooth) things that make the people FEEL GOOD instead of the deep truths of God that convict.......

ETC............!
 
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mikeuk

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The United States is a strange country when it comes to Christianity. You have millions upon millions who identify themselves as Christians, yet you see no fruit in most. It scares me to think of how many people I have heard say they are going to heaven because "they" are good, or because they were baptized as an infant, or because they said a prayer once with their VBS leader with the other kids. God makes it clear that it's by repenting (seeking humbly His forgiveness with no excuses)and following Him alone, in other words TRULY knowing and belonging to Him not continuing in sin but a new creation in Christ Jesus. Do we realize that most Christians spend more time watching tv or sports than in prayer or in the Bible? How can we ask why Americas falling apart when the answers so obvious. When many go to churches now, they feel like they're in an organized club where things are kept on a polite schedule; songs, offering, and a sermon that had better end on time so lunch isn't missed. Where are those who want to give their lives to God, who understand we are only here for a moment (anytime our lives are talked about in Scripture it's always mentioned how quickly it goes by as a vapor). People aren't getting what they need from the church, and the church should stop seeking what they need from the world. Listen, I've just got on this sight but it's already breaking my heart to see some of the post. People giving their opinions, but I beg everyone to think on this, there is only one truth and it doesn't belong to any man or woman, it's Gods alone. He's given us life in Christ Jesus to any who will be wise and follow. We need Christians who will truly bow themselves down before God and give Him everything, their time, their energy, their money, their lives. When was the last time you left church speechless? Where you could only think of God and prayed to Him for more of Him? Have you truly surrendered to His will and given up your rights and your life to follow Him? There is nothing in this world that can give you what Jesus can and He's worth giving our lives too. May our days on earth no longer be spend on ourselves; may we love as we ought, forgive as we ought, and stay focused as Paul said to"run a good race" for the only good One who is worthy of all we can give, my Lord Jesus Christ.

Well said. It is worse than no fruit, it is bad fruit : some seem to regard the word as nothing more than a weapon to beat others with, modern day Pharisees using the word in a game of one upmanship , instead of a platform for a life based on love of god and neighbour, and our lord in the sick and sorry. They are so obsessed with the salvation of, ( or seemingly the humiliation of )others, do they ever think of their own salvation? Or what it means to love one another. " their hearts are far from me"

What do the finer points of theology of salvation matter if we live our lives to the full in Christ, or at least we all try to do so!
 
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I'm hoping that you don't believe that trash in the video and that you posted it to warn others of the false gospel of which you spoke. I made it through about 14 minutes of the video and that's about as much of it as I could stomach.
The video is a warning. Watch it to the end.

The clips are simply examples of the false teachers preaching their false doctrines.

Yes it is indeed trash.
 
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JustinFromTwinCities

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I think the world is starving for a real church to do Gods real will, and God above all deserves His Glory in our obedience and devotion to Him and nothing else.
Great thread. Many of us have felt like this for years Im sure. Im going to apologize beforehand because this is probably going to turn into a rany which sounds very pessimistic and judgemental lol. I have almost given up on trying to find a "church" where there is actual fellowship instead of entertainment. I have been kicked out of churches for questioning why we practice the traditions we do and follow the same structure of the service every single time. I am so tired of greeting my brothers and sisters for 5 minutes and then spending the rest of the time sitting in a pew, staring up towards the stage to watch the one man show. Having a form of godliness, yet denying its power. Im tired of the seats of honor, and the priesthood/laymen and the altars (as if we still need to offer sacrifices) I'm tired of trying to witness to people and having no where great to point them to belong, I feel like i have to fill them in on the current state of American Christianity so that they do not fall into the same traps as so many. Its been frustrating and as a younger man I had a hard time figuring out exactly why everything felt so shallow and empty. You read the Bible and you are told of unshakable faith, miracles and walking powerfully with the Lord, you read of people sharing everything and being more like a family and each person having their own skills/abilities/gifts and contributing to the body with more than just cash to pay for a building that is open more than 4 hours a week and selling their possessions without any worry about what they will eat or what they will wear. You read of communities of believers who you'd actually be astounded at by the amount of love and faith they had and you'd know (as an unbeliever) that God must be among them. Just the way they interacted with each other was testimony enough

Its frustrating because you know there are good Christian brothers and sisters in these buildings, but we are isolated (in a way) by the rules and traditions of men. Its frustrating because the churches seem to have all decided to follow more of a business model of 'more is better' when the Bible clearly states that we should not even eat with people who are deceived into thinking they are saved yet live proudly in habitual sin and self seeking behavior because they've probably never been told or never understood that this is not the way it should be.

I guess to be fair, we should realize that the world we live in today is nothing like it was then. We are quite firmly enslaved to the "systems" of the world. To the 40+ hour work weeks, with getting kids ready for school and after school activities, with long commutes and traffic. You can't hardly practice the kind of generosity and lifestyle of the new testament without risking having your children taken from you or imprisoned. Then throw in the global satanic brainwashing media networks and government run school systems. Its tough.

Right now, I do not belong to any local congregation. I am really torn between attending your typical church and enduring all the monotony which comes with it for the chance of fellowship or maybe starting/finding a home type church which may be closer to ideal. Theres no way that there are no good churches out there, I just havent really found one. Maybe I'm just being to hard on everyone and everything, ive certainly been told this by others many times. Maybe this is just the reality we have to accept as believers during this time and in this country. Part of me feels like we could really benefit from a good dose of persecution and economic collapse
 
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JustinFromTwinCities

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I can't help but feel like a failure because I have not just jumped in and tried to make the best of it and tried to make changes from within (although I have to a degree). Everyone seems so content with their roles and the way things are done. Suggesting anything different is considered heresy. I feel like a bit of a failure because I have allowed circumstance to have a negative effect on my faith and relationship with the body of Christ. I have allowed myself to have a form of godliness yet deny it's true power just like so many others when that is exactly what I have been trying to avoid. I don't know, What do you guys think. I'll be buying a new car soon so I will be able to attend church again in a couple weeks. I ask for prayers from any of you who can relate so that I can find my place
 
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I can't help but feel like a failure because I have not just jumped in and tried to make the best of it and tried to make changes from within (although I have to a degree). Everyone seems so content with their roles and the way things are done. Suggesting anything different is considered heresy. I feel like a bit of a failure because I have allowed circumstance to have a negative effect on my faith and relationship with the body of Christ. I have allowed myself to have a form of godliness yet deny it's true power just like so many others when that is exactly what I have been trying to avoid. I don't know, What do you guys think. I'll be buying a new car soon so I will be able to attend church again in a couple weeks. I ask for prayers from any of you who can relate so that I can find my place

The church system is totally corrupt. Another gospel is preached in there. It cannot be reformed and you will realise it when you speak to those in the churches.

Use craigslist or other means to find like minded people locally and set up house meetings. That is all we really have today. There are so very few of what we call churches preaching the truth today.

In a nutshell they preach this "confess, trust and receive" message where they think the death of Christ brought into effect some kind of provision in which Jesus absorbed the wrath of God and that they are credited with the righteousness of Jesus. If they confess they are sinful, trust in this provision and receive it then PRESTO, salvation. Or so they think.

It is a total farce and could not be further from the truth. They don't teach the crucifixion of the flesh in repentance nor do they teach that our hearts are purified by faith. The blood of Christ, to them, is a cloak for sin as opposed to being a means to purge our sins once and for all.

If we go to any of these churches we have to contend against the lie, yet when we do that we get kicked out quick.

You might find this helpful...

[video=youtube;Z8o1MEz2xFk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8o1MEz2xFk[/video]
 
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JustinFromTwinCities

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My parents "church" is a live stream broadcast from some place in another state. That's it, no way to contribute or build faith and love through fellowship or giving of themselves. But honestly its just as good as actually attending many of these places. You think with all our technology, we could just watch these sermons in our own time and focus on more important things when we come together
 
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The_highwayman

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I think the world is starving for a real church to do Gods real will, and God above all deserves His Glory in our obedience and devotion to Him and nothing else.
Ever think about doing God's will in your life, obey him, be totally devoted to him and then go out and be the church?

The world is starving for the sons and daughters of God to manifest themselves....and that means you go out out of the 4 walls of the church....Church should be your re-filling station not where you impact the world....

If more sons and daughters of God would be sold out for Jesus and take him to the world and not keep trying to bring the world to church........

I'll stop there...
 
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Kaycie

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Christians who honor Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle, are the kind to whom Christ will say, "Depart from Me, I never knew you." I am not a 'just on Sunday christian', I am the same outside of church during the week as I am in church- for I am the church (part of the body of Christ). He lives in me, and I live in Him, and when that's the case, it is clearly seen by all. "A city on a hill cannot be hidden." "Shine like stars in a dark sky during this dark generation."