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popeye

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If you are truly interested in this, SoE, I can give you a site to download a free book on The School of Seers.
Would that be Johnathan welton?
 
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Matthew 7


the point is what is emphasized. You can have tons of the above things going on, and be cast into hell.

This is the emphasis.

John 3
3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Luke 24
6 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47and that repentance and[a] forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things.
The primary focus and central point of any believer should be the death burial and resurrection of Christ. Then doing what He said we would do as we follow and demonstrate His kingdom. You hear me talk about it on here a lot but that's because I want to see people walk grow and be led by the Spirit!
 

DiscipleDave

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Do you believe prophets are still in operation today or Apostle. Do signs wonders and miracles that Jesus operated in still exist through the church today through believers? Does God still operate in dreams, visions, angelic visitations, or any other above natural way? Does God still speak today?
Please answer these questions scriptures backing every statement!
i have had many conversations with God up till 1994. He has told me many things that is to come. He taught me many things in His Word.
i have had visions of the future.
i have had dreams of the future.
i have spoken with two Angels of God, directing me back on the path.
i have done many things in His Name, and He has done many miracles because of it.
Because of those previous mentioned, i KNOW what is going to happen in the future, i KNOW how the mark of the beast will come about and the consequences of those who take it and those who don't take it, i KNOW who the 144,000 are, and their purpose. i KNOW what the prophesies in the Bible mean, not all of them though, Because i screwed up royal in 1994 and ran from God, i have not heard from Him since, If i would not have ran, then i am certain i would have KNOWN all of the prophesies because i would have asked Him about them.

so what does that make me?

And i already know this generation and their wicked thinking, will reply "a liar", know this, All liars shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone according to Rev 21:8. If i am lying, then let me burn in Hell for all eternity and not only me, but all those that i love and that love me, let them also suffer the same fate as me, if i am lying.

^i^ Responding to OP
 

Zmouth

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Does the LORD still quicken men, which or course according to Genesis 5:2 means male or female, and give them the word of truth to speak in His name?

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. John 15:20
 

presidente

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When I was a CHILD I spake as a CHILD<----Paul put away the CHILDISH things when he GREW up and MATURED!
The verse you comment on here, I Corinthians 13:11 is one of the big problems with a cessationist view of the passage.

If having these spiritual gifts is the equivalent of having the speech, knowledge, and understanding of a child, and not having them but having the completed canon is adulthood, then you have put yourself in a superior position to the authors of the New Testament.

The logical conclusion is that you think that your speech, knowledge, and understanding is like an adults, while the apostles was childish by comparison.

Notice that Paul spoke of himself having the speech, knowledge, and understanding and of himself putting away childish things. Paul will experience these things.

The fact that Christians disagree about such issues proves that we do not have perfect knowledge and understanding.
 

presidente

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SpiritOfElijah, we could go back and forth on whether prophets are still around today, but that wouldn't address a long ongoing concern I have for you.

My concern is that you have a preoccupation, an unhealthy emphasis on some of the more extraordinary/flashy/shiny things in Christianity. Prophecy, healing, tongues, holy laughter etc.

When we have an unhealthy preoccupation with these things, Christianity turns into something less than Christianity. It becomes a belief system that is built on getting the latest word, finding the latest apostle, finding the newest "move of the Spirit" which is usually associated with some sort of manifestation. Christianity becomes an ongoing quest for all these extraordinary peripheral aspects of Christianity.

Become preoccupied with Christ and him Crucified, with Jesus risen from the dead, with sanctification and repentance.

I know the prophecies and manifestations and healings and apostles and all that is super exciting and flashy, but that isn't the main emphasis of Christianity.
I'm not seeing how your word of correction here follows apostolic example. I get the impression from reading I Corinthians 14 that there may have been some Corinthians who were way too excited about speaking in tongues, even without interpretation, in church. But Paul writes his epistle very carefully so as not to squash their enthusiasm for spiritual gifts or even speaking in tongues. And he repeatedly urges believers to desire to prophesy. Twice in the chapter he commands believers to desire to prophesy. He presents all prophesying in a church meeting in a positive light and writes that all may prophesy.

Paul is careful not to discourage believers in a good thing. if you see a believer who you think is too enthusiastic about prophecy or healing in comparison to doctrines of salvation, then encourage him to be enthusiastic about the doctrines related to salvation.

When it comes to healing, I don't see how it is Biblical to do something to discourage someone's enthusiasm over physical healing when you look at the huge amount of the verses in the Gospels that give testimonies of Jesus' healing miracles. Acts has a fair number of healing accounts as well.

Paul did say that among the Corinthians, he had only known Jesus Christ and Him crucified. However, he continues on to add that he spoke wisdom among them that are perfect. Apparently, to those who were mature, he spoke of other matters besides the crucifixion of our Lord.
 
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I believe that as we are led by the Spirit of God. We not only come in with words alone but in demonstration of the Gospel as well(1 cor. 2:4). Any move of the Spirit or revival testifies to Jesus being Glorified and souls being saved! I am a firm believer in that. So let us rejoice as these encounters and miracles do follow us but let us rejoice even more that Jesus is Glorified and souls are saved!
 

Reborn

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Plenty of "profits" in the churches today.
Right?

Now if they'd only put it all to good use.
 
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sveinen

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Is there some reason they would not still exist?... God still exists.
bad one.. Christ come.
"prophets had their time to john," pointing to christ.
children were killed, witnesses two died.. ?
is he competing himself on how concealed can he be? did he take it to denying his cross? :/
must be he's some elsewhere for other flock...
 
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sveinen

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This is a bit like asking if Salvation still exists.

Nowhere did God say some of these things have an expiration date.
"seek him while he is to be found."
 
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sveinen

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A wise man on this site recently posted that "Signs and wonders should follow after believers,,,, NOT that believers should chase after them."
whilst paul shared from above of seeking the higher gifts of the spirits.
 
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sveinen

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whilst paul shared from above of seeking the higher gifts of the spirits.
the spirit, the spirit :p
gods, gods, gods ONE. Jesus Christ :)
we should be so lucky in love :)
 
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sveinen

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please, again read rev 11a and Fear Christ :)
Life Most Serious.
 
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kennethcadwell

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The verse you comment on here, I Corinthians 13:11 is one of the big problems with a cessationist view of the passage.

If having these spiritual gifts is the equivalent of having the speech, knowledge, and understanding of a child, and not having them but having the completed canon is adulthood, then you have put yourself in a superior position to the authors of the New Testament.

The logical conclusion is that you think that your speech, knowledge, and understanding is like an adults, while the apostles was childish by comparison.

Notice that Paul spoke of himself having the speech, knowledge, and understanding and of himself putting away childish things. Paul will experience these things.

The fact that Christians disagree about such issues proves that we do not have perfect knowledge and understanding.

Actually we do have the correct understanding of this passage in 1 Corinthians 13 if one does not take away the main focus and context in which Paul is speaking on, which seems to be the issue with teachers these days.
The whole context of this chapter is about love, do we or any other people live in perfect love yesterday, today, or even tomorrow. Or is there still strife, contentions, hatred, discrimination, and so on in the world.

To make the until that which is perfect comes to be the canon is interjecting what is not there, as the context is of love and not the scriptures. They had the scriptures of the OT during Jesus days, and the NT scriptures were written as they the first fruits of our faith lived them.
That which is perfect is the perfect love that we will all live in after the Lords return and all evil wiped out of the world, and every tear wiped from our faces. Only then will the prophecies, tongues, healing, and other gifts cease as they will not be needed any more because all will be fulfilled.
 
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Actually we do have the correct understanding of this passage in 1 Corinthians 13 if one does not take away the main focus and context in which Paul is speaking on, which seems to be the issue with teachers these days.
The whole context of this chapter is about love, do we or any other people live in perfect love yesterday, today, or even tomorrow. Or is there still strife, contentions, hatred, discrimination, and so on in the world.

To make the until that which is perfect comes to be the canon is interjecting what is not there, as the context is of love and not the scriptures. They had the scriptures of the OT during Jesus days, and the NT scriptures were written as they the first fruits of our faith lived them.
That which is perfect is the perfect love that we will all live in after the Lords return and all evil wiped out of the world, and every tear wiped from our faces. Only then will the prophecies, tongues, healing, and other gifts cease as they will not be needed any more because all will be fulfilled.
Amen Exactly hit the nail on the head with a hammer
 
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bad one.. Christ come.
"prophets had their time to john," pointing to christ.
children were killed, witnesses two died.. ?
is he competing himself on how concealed can he be? did he take it to denying his cross? :/
must be he's some elsewhere for other flock...
There was a prophet after John in the book of acts also ephesians 4 was written after John as the five fold ministry
 
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kennethcadwell

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There was a prophet after John in the book of acts also ephesians 4 was written after John as the five fold ministry

Yes the book of Acts shows that many will still prophecy in the last days, as it nowhere says that prophecy ended before John the Baptist or Jesus crucifixion did away with it.

One of the Lord's original 12 Apostles was a prophet, as the Apostle John wrote Revelation not John the Baptist as he was already dead by this point.
The Apostle John while exiled on the island of Patmos wrote Revelation as he was shown in a vision form the Lord what would take place. Revelation is a prophetic book, which means by writing and giving this book John was giving a prophecy making him a prophet.
 
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Well, the guys and gals that insist that "the end days" are this present time period have themselves backed into a corner with this one when they take into consideration what Joel said, and then Peter again quoted it in Acts. (Oops! Not much of a way to get out of THAT one.)