Was the ‘virgin’ birth symbolic?

[Zmouth]

If asked if the ‘virgin’ birth was symbolic or literal, how would you respond?

Since some Christians hold some scriptures are symbolic and not literal, do those who hold it literal think it would be a false teaching to the faith to hold it as being symbolic?

 

[WheresEnoch]

The virgin birth was definitely not symbolic.
I think the entire faith might as well be scrapped if it is only symbolic.

The thing is, it's not hard to believe.
If someone believes in God, and believes that God created the entire universe, the earth, man and all forms of life etc...
That He divinely inspired a book and ensured its survival all throughout history.
Resurrected Christ etc...
Then how is a virgin birth hard to swallow?
The whole point of Christianity is that Christ is God.
Without that.... There's literally nothing left

Christ would just be "some guy" who talked about loving your neighbor

 

[Atwood]

I take it that Enoch is in Heaven, still walking with the LORD.

What would a virgin birth symbolize? Or what is a symbolic virgin, for crying outloud!

 

[RyBread]

I think to denounce such a superb miracle of God in that of the pure birth of Jesus Christ to the virgin Mary would be false teaching. Yes.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Yes Jesus birth was a literal birth of the virgin Mary......

The symbolic part mostly comes by prophetic scriptures, as they use the symbology in prophecies to either say not literal or right them off as just for inspiration teaching. Symbolism in prophecy still always stands for a literal event, place, or person that is to come........

 

[4enlightment]

If asked if the ‘virgin’ birth was symbolic or literal, how would you respond?

Since some Christians hold some scriptures are symbolic and not literal, do those who hold it literal think it would be a false teaching to the faith to hold it as being symbolic?

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[Kaycie]

Literal because He was still under the old testament where things were done physically to represent things that are done spiritually in the new testament. Whats the spiritual equivalent you may ask? John 1:13, Colossians 1:18.

 

[TrueFire]

The 144000 were also virgins. This is symbolism.

 

[Jeff_56]

The 144000 were also virgins. This is symbolism.

why would you think so? there's no reason to think they weren't virgins.

 

[TrueFire]

why would you think so? there's no reason to think they weren't virgins.

I could explain as it ties into the symbolism in Genesis as the sons of God came into the daughters of men. These such people have never known any "women," but it's hard to when most live and believe outside of what their own eyes tell them. Plus the 144000 are made up of males AND females.

 

[Utah]

Of course it's literal.

 

[Jeff_56]

so? just what is written is simple enough. what kind of symbolism are you trying to make it fit ?

I could explain as it ties into the symbolism in Genesis as the sons of God came into the daughters of men. These such people have never known any "women," but it's hard to when most live and believe outside of what their own eyes tell them. Plus the 144000 are made up of males AND females.

 

[TrueFire]

so? just what is written is simple enough. what kind of symbolism are you trying to make it fit ?

I don't feel like debating or getting banned for giving the truth. How you believe He came into being is not a requirement for salvation. Nature states that it takes 2 to make a baby.

If you were getting married and she comes to you pregnant saying God did it today, would you believe her? You might try out of love and hope but if you mention that to your friends, they'd poke all kinds of holes in her story.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Heres some verses if they would be helpful from a couple of perspectives surrounding the same

And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign;

Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. (God with us)

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise

When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

Hear ye now, O house of David... (and because he was of the house and lineage of David)

But while he thought on these things,

behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying,

Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife

And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

The Lord himself shall give you a sign...

Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son...

From Mary's perspective

And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS

How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given

Therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

When the fulness of time was come

God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Where he was born

And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth,into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

And she brought forth her firstborn son...

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;

Whose "goings forth" have been from of old, from everlasting.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

And when he (Herod) had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them *where* Christ should *be born*.

And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda...

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

 

[Jeff_56]

i don't care if you get banned or not. just getting to the point that you don't believe scripture.

I don't feel like debating or getting banned for giving the truth......

 

[TrueFire]

i don't care if you get banned or not. just getting to the point that you don't believe scripture.

I do believe it, I just understand it or see it differently. The problem I have is that because I do not fall in line with your belief in scripture, why label me an unbeliever???

lean NOT on your own understanding, sir...

 

[Jeff_56]

that's exactly why - the understanding that yahweh gives in scripture , to all ekklesia, is virgin birth. this is without exception for those receiving revelation knowledge and experiential knowledge in him.

if you rely on your own knowledge apart from him, that's your choice.

 

[crossnote]

If asked if the ‘virgin’ birth was symbolic or literal, how would you respond?

Since some Christians hold some scriptures are symbolic and not literal, do those who hold it literal think it would be a false teaching to the faith to hold it as being symbolic?

If the virgin birth is not literal then Jesus would have a sin nature. Joseph being sinful would have passed on his sin nature to Jesus through Mary.

 

[TrueFire]

that's exactly why - the understanding that yahweh gives in scripture , to all ekklesia, is virgin birth. this is without exception for those receiving revelation knowledge and experiential knowledge in him.

if you rely on your own knowledge apart from him, that's your choice.

What I believe does not come from men.

 

[DesiredHaven]

I do believe it, I just understand it or see it differently. The problem I have is that because I do not fall in line with your belief in scripture, why label me an unbeliever???

lean NOT on your own understanding, sir...

This is ISeeYou (my old account)

Arent you the one under another screen name spiritualized the widow?

You sound like that poster