Socialism among Jesus' disciples

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Who was the first socialist of mentioned in the New Testament? He's much like the socialists today. He shows how hard he works for the poor in John 12:1-6. You'll have to look it up if you don't know what John chapter 12 is about...it was not long before the crucifying of the Lord where one of Jesus' disciples was calling for social justice on behalf of the poor.

If you don't know already, will you look it up and tell me who was the first socialist mentioned in the Bible. Isn't he just like the socialists of today?


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Uhhh... the socialism of today is not personal giving, but mandating giving.
Do not confuse a distorted and evil political system with the generosity and compassion of the Church.
Socialism is Satan trying to replace the Church with a world system. Capitalism is no better, but don't praise socialism as if it is a good spiritual thing. All such systems are evil to the core, regardless of the temporal "good" that they display.
 
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A reread of Orwell's Animal Farm is in order here.
ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, ALTHOUGH SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.
 
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SaintJoeNow said:
Who was the first socialist of mentioned in the New Testament? He's much like the socialists today. He shows how hard he works for the poor in John 12:1-6. You'll have to look it up if you don't know what John chapter 12 is about...it was not long before the crucifying of the Lord where one of Jesus' disciples was calling for social justice on behalf of the poor.

If you don't know already, will you look it up and tell me who was the first socialist mentioned in the Bible. Isn't he just like the socialists of today?


......signature of me here, I want my posts to be always pointing to the gospel, with any entertainment baits only designed to get lost people to read more in hope they will see the glorious light of the gospel and their darkened minds be enlightened. Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
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Vice and virtue only exist because they are premised on voluntarism.

Socialism = Force

Charity = Choice

Vice = Choice


Socialism is legalised theft. Theft is still theft whether an individual does it or whether they appoint an agent on their behalf to do it.
 
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I am all for socialism. It means the poor do not have to go hungry; the rich can stay rich, but help the poor; and medical care for everyone. A job for everyone would be nice too, in a perfect world.

To name only a few things. Just coming from the middle in Canada. The US and the two party capitalist system is not working well, so try not to criticize countries which have a "mixed" economy, which means both capitalism and socialism, and it is working very, very well. As in, everyone has health care, everyone is fed, housed and clothed, and the debt is being paid down. And the rich are doing very nicely, too!
 
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I am all for socialism. It means the poor do not have to go hungry; the rich can stay rich, but help the poor; and medical care for everyone. A job for everyone would be nice too, in a perfect world.

To name only a few things. Just coming from the middle in Canada. The US and the two party capitalist system is not working well, so try not to criticize countries which have a "mixed" economy, which means both capitalism and socialism, and it is working very, very well. As in, everyone has health care, everyone is fed, housed and clothed, and the debt is being paid down. And the rich are doing very nicely, too!
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My Lady, you know I love you and respect you, but let me clarify something: on paper and in a perfect world I would agree with you that socialism is a good thing, but in reality the rich make the laws to protect their money with extreme prejudice, and they make it so the working man and working woman provide for the poor, who for the most part, are lazy parasites who can work but refuse to do so. This makes socialism and its benefactors reprehensible. :)
 
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Wow, so many legalism posts lately and now socialism. :-\
 
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what do you expect in the world, of the world, and from the world ?

(this site is moderated well, but due to time usually only slightly - anyone from anywhere can post anything for a while)


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Wow, so many legalism posts lately and now socialism. :-\
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Utah said:
My Lady, you know I love you and respect you, but let me clarify something: on paper and in a perfect world I would agree with you that socialism is a good thing, but in reality the rich make the laws to protect their money with extreme prejudice, and they make it so the working man and working woman provide for the poor, who for the most part, are lazy parasites who can work but refuse to do so. This makes socialism and its benefactors reprehensible. :)
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Actually, not in Canada. Our taxation system is very fair. The rich have to pay a much higher tax rate, than lower income people. It's called a graduated taxation system, and it means the poor pay nothing, the middle pays a bit, and the rich pay a lot.

Step outside of America, and learn that other countries have figured out some very important things about how to run a country well.
 
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I'm glad to hear there is fairness and common sense outside of my country. :)
 
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SaintJoeNow said:
Who was the first socialist of mentioned in the New Testament?
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There are no socialists in the Bible. There are no Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Green Party members, Social Democrats, etc., either. There are only followers of Christ, or those who are not.
 
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Our Banner (flag) is Jesus Chrst He belongs to no politcal party. Were Heto return today incognito, He woul still no be member of such for He is the King o kings, our King. Our politcis, were there any, could only e His absolute monarchy.

Now, it is true, I blieve, come the Kingdom, no one will lack, but this is by no means an ideaology of man good enouh to apply toour King or our Kingdom.

It is my long considered opinion that if mankind did perfectly according to the Word withot the Kingdom in mind, the politics would be to the left of Karl Marx. Now from observing, I have witnessed that when man
claims t be putting any maner of communism into effect, the asolute power of the party corrpts all, leaving those who are wth authority aving wealth while the "workers" are turned into teir servants (slaves). There is no politics, idiology of manind that does not culminate in self-destruction. If you do not beieve this, look at history and teh dance of the patrias francas. It never stops.
 
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SaintJoeNow said:
Who was the first socialist of mentioned in the New Testament? He's much like the socialists today. He shows how hard he works for the poor in John 12:1-6. You'll have to look it up if you don't know what John chapter 12 is about...it was not long before the crucifying of the Lord where one of Jesus' disciples was calling for social justice on behalf of the poor.

If you don't know already, will you look it up and tell me who was the first socialist mentioned in the Bible. Isn't he just like the socialists of today?


......signature of me here, I want my posts to be always pointing to the gospel, with any entertainment baits only designed to get lost people to read more in hope they will see the glorious light of the gospel and their darkened minds be enlightened. Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
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Isaiah 55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

Luke 16:15 He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.

Jeremiah 3:15 Then I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will lead you with knowledge and understanding.

 We love capitalism and hate socialism.
 
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SaintJoeNow said:
Who was the first socialist of mentioned in the New Testament? He's much like the socialists today. He shows how hard he works for the poor in John 12:1-6. You'll have to look it up if you don't know what John chapter 12 is about...it was not long before the crucifying of the Lord where one of Jesus' disciples was calling for social justice on behalf of the poor.

If you don't know already, will you look it up and tell me who was the first socialist mentioned in the Bible. Isn't he just like the socialists of today?


......signature of me here, I want my posts to be always pointing to the gospel, with any entertainment baits only designed to get lost people to read more in hope they will see the glorious light of the gospel and their darkened minds be enlightened. Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
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Talking about reading the Bible with anachronistic glasses. The socialist ideology of our day has nothing to do with anything of the Bible or its times. It all stems from Marx and Engels and then later developed into several different schools. Although Marx actually did use scriptural quotes to defend one of the principles he claimed his ideology should be based on, we can't use such statements out of their context and say that the first christians were socialists, just as little we can say they were capitalists, liberals, fascists or humanists.

Marxian socialism is a political ideology that surfaces in secularized Europe in the 1800s, a time when capitalism, industrialism and also liberalism are starting to have a serious hold on european societies. Marxism is evolutionist and materialistic in outlook, despising backward and primitive cultures, fervently anti-feudal, anti-religious and atheist. The marxian utopia has nothing to do with a group of people setting up their own utopia at the country side, it is a political tool to bring about world revolution through violent means, setting up socialism through a dictatorship of the proletariat in order to evolve society to the final stage, communism.

Marx had a tragic fallout from being professing christian to become a God-hater (read his later poetry) and stubborn atheist. His connection with freemasonry and similar circles closes it up that not only was he lusting after power, he had far more deeper issues than so. Anyone interested should read up on it.
 
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Although Marx actually did use scriptural quotes to defend one of the principles he claimed
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Funny how Scripture is convenient for atheists when they want it to be.
 
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don't immanentize the eschaton? :)
 
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Angela53510 said:
I am all for socialism. It means the poor do not have to go hungry; the rich can stay rich, but help the poor; and medical care for everyone. A job for everyone would be nice too, in a perfect world.

To name only a few things. Just coming from the middle in Canada. The US and the two party capitalist system is not working well, so try not to criticize countries which have a "mixed" economy, which means both capitalism and socialism, and it is working very, very well. As in, everyone has health care, everyone is fed, housed and clothed, and the debt is being paid down. And the rich are doing very nicely, too!
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Socialism is the perfect government model.

If everyone involved in it is a perfect Christian.

We would all be able to rely on the hard work and good intentions of everyone else.

As it is now, all we can rely on is the greed and corruption of politicians and corporations.
 
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