SAVED BY WORKS

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keeth

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Will anyone on these boards that believes they are saved by their works, that is, by obeying God please say so and explain this process? I am not addressing those who think they should obey because they are saved, not in order to be saved. It seems many on these boards must believe such, since the topic is brought up so often. I await you testimony.
 
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Mitspa

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Dead works is not obedience :( ... works of faith and love is obedience :) does that help you?
 
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you are saved by the Grace of God.

Ephesians 2:8

works and faith go hand & hand when walking in Christ.

Good read :)

James 3:13 Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom.

James 3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth.

James 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

James 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

James 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.


Shalom
 
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psychomom

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i have most definitely been saved by Works.

just not mine. :)
 
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Mitspa

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2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
 
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oldthennew

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Sisters and Brothers,

for the life of me,
I just can't fathom or understand what the meaning is of
'dead works',

I beg your forgiveness for my ignorance.
 
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keeth said:
Will anyone on these boards that believes they are saved by their works, that is, by obeying God please say so and explain this process? I am not addressing those who think they should obey because they are saved, not in order to be saved. It seems many on these boards must believe such, since the topic is brought up so often. I await you testimony.
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No one is saved by doing their own works but saved by doing the works God has given man to do in...

Believing, Jn 8:24; Jn 3:17
Repentance, Lk 13:3:5
confession, Mt 10;32,33; Rom 10:9,10
submitting to baptism, Mk 16:16; Acts 2:38 then being added to the church/becoming a Christian
then as a Christian do good works, Eph 2:10, walk in the light, 1 Jn 1:7; being faithful unto death Rev 2:10
 
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Mitspa

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oldthennew said:
Sisters and Brothers,

for the life of me,
I just can't fathom or understand what the meaning is of
'dead works',

I beg your forgiveness for my ignorance.
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Its a biblical term.... its clearly works of the law!

Heb 6:1 ¶ Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, {principles...:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Heb 9:15 ¶ And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
 
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We are not saved by our works. But our works are evidence of our salvation. I.e., if you do not produce good works/fruit, it is reasonable to question your salvation because the evidence shows you are not.
 
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forsha

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keeth said:
Will anyone on these boards that believes they are saved by their works, that is, by obeying God please say so and explain this process? I am not addressing those who think they should obey because they are saved, not in order to be saved. It seems many on these boards must believe such, since the topic is brought up so often. I await you testimony.
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"Salvation" is "a deliverance". Our works has nothing to do with our eternal(deliverance) salvation, but it has everything to do with our timely deliverance(salvation).
 
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Delivery

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oldthennew said:
Sisters and Brothers,

for the life of me,
I just can't fathom or understand what the meaning is of
'dead works',


I beg your forgiveness for my ignorance.
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The meaning of dead works is works that are meaningless.
 
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Sophia

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If dead faith is faith without works,
Then dead works are works without faith.
 
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Mitspa

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Of course we know the law is not of faith...so that makes sense :)
 
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RickyZ said:
We are not saved by our works. But our works are evidence of our salvation. I.e., if you do not produce good works/fruit, it is reasonable to question your salvation because the evidence shows you are not.
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As long as it is us ONLY checking ourselves.... not trying to use this as a means to decide the salvation of others............ which, unfortunately, is what usually goes down.
 
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Delivery

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keeth said:
Will anyone on these boards that believes they are saved by their works, that is, by obeying God please say so and explain this process? I am not addressing those who think they should obey because they are saved, not in order to be saved. It seems many on these boards must believe such, since the topic is brought up so often. I await you testimony.
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You do have to obey God to be saved but the question is what do you have to obey? To be saved you only have to believe in Jesus. You are obeying God by believing in Jesus.

[SUP]3[/SUP] And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. We're saved by Grace, not works, because Jesus took our punishment for us and made an atonement for our sins. So, what you really mean when you say who believes they have to obey God to be saved, is, who believes we have to obey the law and the rules to be saved?

People who believe we're saved by works believe we have to obey the 10 commandments in order to be saved. Here is a list of things that people who believe we're saved by works sometimes believe that we have to do in order to be saved.

1) That we have to obey the 10 commandments,
2) That we have to go to church every Sunday( or Saturday if your a 7th day Adventist).
3)That we have to Tithe to a church or charitable organization.
4) That the subject of the book of Jude is Salvation.
5) That their supposed obedience to do all these things makes them more righteous and better than other people who aren't as obedient.
6) That their righteous ability to be obedient causes them to deserve heaven with or without Jesus' help.
7) That we also have to be baptized with water in order to be saved.

I'm sure some of you can think of other things "works people" believe in.
 
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oldthennew said:
Sisters and Brothers,

for the life of me,
I just can't fathom or understand what the meaning is of
'dead works',

I beg your forgiveness for my ignorance.
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Brother,

I believe the term is used in reference to attempting to please God by one's own efforts.
 
Willie-T

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Delivery said:
You do have to obey God to be saved but the question is what do you have to obey? To be saved you only have to believe in Jesus. You are obeying God by believing in Jesus.

[SUP]3[/SUP] And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. We're saved by Grace, not works, because Jesus took our punishment for us and made an atonement for our sins. So, what you really mean when you say who believes they have to obey God to be saved, is, who believes we have to obey the law and the rules to be saved?

People who believe we're saved by works believe we have to obey the 10 commandments in order to be saved. Here is a list of things that people who believe we're saved by works sometimes believe that we have to do in order to be saved.

1) That we have to obey the 10 commandments,
2) That we have to go to church every Sunday( or Saturday if your a 7th day Adventist).
3)That we have to Tithe to a church or charitable organization.
4) That the subject of the book of Jude is Salvation.
5) That their supposed obedience to do all these things makes them more righteous and better than other people who aren't as obedient.
6) That their righteous ability to be obedient causes them to deserve heaven with or without Jesus' help.
7) That we also have to be baptized with water in order to be saved.

I'm sure some of you can think of other things "works people" believe in.
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I about choked, reading #4 while drinking coffee. LOL.
 
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keeth said:
Will anyone on these boards that believes they are saved by their works, that is, by obeying God please say so and explain this process? I am not addressing those who think they should obey because they are saved, not in order to be saved. It seems many on these boards must believe such, since the topic is brought up so often. I await you testimony.
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Saved by works is a misnomer.

We are saved by obedience to the truth because it is through YIELDING WHOLEHEARTEDLY to the grace of God that our hearts are transformed into a pure state.

The dynamic of salvation is "saved by grace THROUGH faith." There is nothing passive about the process. It is a process we have to partake in.

Noah took part in building the ark by trusting and then obeying the instructions of God. Likewise we partake in the building of our vessels by trusting and obeying the grace of God. The grace of God teaches us...

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

We MUST do that in order to be saved. We have to deny ungodinless and worldly lusts, we must live soberly, righteousness, and godly NOW.

Look at the words of Jesus...

Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed "ARE." That is how we must be. We have to be pure in heart in order to see God.

It is faith that purifies the heart because faith is simply the forsaking our own way and yielding ourselves to God's way. Thus the power of God then works in us unrestricted (we are receiving it). This is why Jesus preached repentance. Without repentance one cannot cooperate with God whereby grace is made effectual to the saving of the soul.

2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

Grace is received in vain if there is no working together. Remember we are saved by grace THROUGH faith.

Grace is received for obedience.

Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

It is through obedience that grace transforms us. No obedience = no transformation. That is why Paul would say...

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Obedience unto righteousness.

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

If there is no obedience from the heart then there is no freedom from sin and therefore no serving righteousness.

Satan knows that and that is why his ministers attack obedience as being a condition of salvation. Satan wants people to believe that one is saved apart from obedience and that obedience is something that comes later. Thus people can be induced into a "partial obedience" with the idea that somehow God is going to change them in the future where their obedience becomes more full. It is very deceptive stuff and many believe it.
 
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Mitspa

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Ro 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

I wonder at the spiritual condition of those who don't even know if they are saved or are trying to "earn" salvation?
 
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Mitspa

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The Law of Faith is belief that only God is righteous and merciful and that only He can provide the way of salvation for mankind. This plan of salvation from God was actually carried out when God the Son (Jesus) paid the requirements of the law for all on the cross. These who by faith believe God and accept the sacrifice He provided for mankind's sins will be saved. You see, God is interested in saving people who truly trust in Him. God is not interested in having people in His presence who think they got there by their own righteousness through following the letter of the law or by rituals of obedience.


Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.



Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.



Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.



Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.





Throughout Church and Jewish history, there were many legalists that interpreted scriptures through black light. They even killed many who did not accept their dark interpretation. In the modern church, there are still many legalists who condemn people to hell who will not accept their demonically inspired doctrines. In one way or another they always put people back under the requirements of the law and in the final analysis they make salvation something that comes through one's own effort. (Of course they deny that they do that, but their legalistic doctrine says otherwise.) These dark clouds without water deny that you can be saved by faith in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus alone. They always add something more to salvation than trusting in Jesus Christ.
 
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