What is sin?

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gotime

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There are many things that are sin but the bible only gives on clear definition.

1Jn 3:4 Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

This is true both Old Testament and New for when God gave the 10 commandments Moses said to the people:

Exo 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before you, that ye sin not.

Paul agrees with this teaching as He says:

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Howbeit, I had not known sin, except through the law: for I had not known coveting, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet:

and:

Rom 3:20 because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for through the law cometh the knowledge of sin.

So sin is breaking the law of God specifically the 10 commandments are mentioned.

Most acknowledge this Until it comes to the Sabbath and then they try to change it to fit their views.

But the law that shows sin says:

Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them, for I Jehovah thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate me,
Exo 20:6 and showing lovingkindness unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of Jehovah thy God in vain; for Jehovah will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work;
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 for in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long in the land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his man-servant, nor his maid-servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.

So you break any one of these you are sinning, it is not for us to divide this us. (interesting how many go off at people dividing the law up until it comes to the Sabbath.)

So we know the Law points out sin and we know the Sabbath is part of that law. Some suggest then to escape keeping it that its the spiritual meaning not the physical, however if that is so then it must have been so in the Old Covenant also. Is that the case?

Well simply no, just read the commandment:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work;
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 for in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

They were to actually rest from work on the 7th day physically as it is written:

Exo 23:12 Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest; that thine ox and thine ass may have rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the sojourner, may be refreshed.

So the Sabbath commandment has a physical element to it not just a spiritual. Do we need rest physically? yes God gave the Sabbath and expected it to be kept both spiritually and physically. The law says if you do not do this then you are breaking the commandment. which is sin.

No way around it.
 
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oldthennew

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when one claims to be a 'True Christian' and they put their very own desire above
what they know for sure is their Father's will is, then, this is real sin...
 
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The_highwayman

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WHy not define what SIN is not and you might get an idea of what it is :cool:
 

crossnote

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Sin is any deviation by any degree from the ABSOLUTE HOLY CHARACTER of God in either word, thought or deed expressing it's deviation in either omission or commission of God's Holy Will.

...Any takers claiming sinlessness?
 

gotime

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lets try to keep it bible people.
 
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Mitspa

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Ro 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Sin is in the flesh of every man, it is in effect a spiritual virus in the flesh, and therefore no man can claim to be obedient apart from the Spirit of God.
 

crossnote

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Sin is any deviation by any degree from the ABSOLUTE HOLY CHARACTER of God in either word, thought or deed expressing it's deviation in either omission or commission of God's Holy Will.

...Any takers claiming sinlessness?
lets try to keep it bible people.
"Speak to all the congregation of the people of Israel and say to them, You shall be holy, for I the LORD your God am holy.
(Lev 19:2)
 

SoulWeaver

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"Speak to all the congregation of the people of Israel and say to them, You shall be holy, for I the LORD your God am holy.
(Lev 19:2)
Gotta love promises of God! Amazing and has Jesus written all over.
 
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Mitspa

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Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

To come short of the glory of God...is sin!

So how do we remedy that?

2Co 10:17 But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
18 For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.
 

SoulWeaver

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Great Biblical definitions previously posted and will just add one that was a personal revelation and that ministered a great deal to me. God taught me that sin is forgetfulness of the truth. That's why in the OT God keeps saying remember Lord God, remember His commandments, remember God's ways, remember Sabbath, remember that He redeemed you that you were a bondman in Egypt, etc. That's why it's so important to think of good and honorable things, pray without ceasing, meditate on God's Word. When our mind is not on God it is much easier to be carried away. Also, when the mind is not firmly rooted in truth we stumble more easily. Man can only think about one thing at a time... Which thing will it be?
 

Joidevivre

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Sin shows us our need for grace. Shows us we need a savior.

And it doesn't have a chance in competition with the aggressive forgiveness we call grace.
All sin does is threaten us with death.
Grace invites us into life - a life that goes on and on.
 

DiscipleDave

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There are many things. . . .. . . . .. . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . h is sin.

No way around it.
You do error in your thinking. Under the old covenant, sin was breaking of any of the 600 plus commandments, laws, and statutes, it was NEVER a heart thing, but a letter of the law thing, obey the LAW because it is a commandment.
Under the new Covenant, we have a new commandments LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

I John 3: 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.


Now pay close attention the Apostle John is about to tell all of us Christians what His Commandments are, and please note, the Ten Commandments are NOT mentioned here.

I John 3: 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of Him, because we keep His commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and 2) LOVE ONE ANOTHER, as He gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and he in Him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.

There you have it, Scriptures tell us plainly what His Commandments are, leave it to the this generation to teach things contrary to Scriptures and teach that His Commandments are something other than the Apostle John plainly tells us what His Commandments are. Believe the Word of God and what it plainly says, and not the words of men, which teach things contrary to sound doctrine.

Now under the New Covenant, sin is to fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, sin is not a LAW issue it is a heart issue. Under the old covenant the Holy Spirit was not commonly given to people, under the new covenant, it is the Holy Spirit of God that convicts us of what sin is, NOT the law.

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


For example if you know it would be a good thing to pray before you eat, and you do it not, you commit sin. If you don't think you should pray before you eat, then you commit no sin. The Holy Ghost convicts a person what is sinful and what is not. What may be sinful for one person may not be sinful for another. i may watch one TV show and not lust at all, another may watch the same TV show and commit the sin of lust by doing so.
Here is an example of sin under the old covenant and under the new.
A person under the old covenant, steals something from another person, commits a sin because they broke one of the ten commandments "Thou shalt not Steal"
A person under the new covenant, steals something from another person, commits a sin because they failed to love the one they stole from, NOTHING to do with whatsoever the LAW.
Old covenant = Do's and Don'ts, Laws, Commandments, Ordinances, Statutes
New covenant = Belief in the Son of God, Heart issue, LOVE ONE ANOTHER. NOT LAW
Those who are under the new covenant are no longer under the LAW, but only the law of liberty, NOT the ten commandments, which is the old covenant.

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Which covenant we are NOT under, Do not listen to anyone who tries to teach those who are under the new covenant to live by the old covenant as well. They do not understand the Truth. Let them be, as it is written, if they desire to live by the law, they shall be judged by the law, But you who know the Truth, do not hearken to them, believe the Word of God, not the words of men.

Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave nosuch commandment:

And yet even today, two thousand years later, there are still these people teaching "KEEP THE LAW" which the Apostles, not one of them, nor Jesus Himself, ever taught Christians who were under the New Covenant to continue to KEEP THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, which they gave no such instructions. Again do not listen to them, they do not know they Truth, they only THINK they do, but what they believe is contrary to Scriptures.
If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is WRONG.
And there is no way around the Truth of Scriptures.

Responding to OP
 
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gotime

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You do error in your thinking. Under the old covenant, sin was breaking of any of the 600 plus commandments, laws, and statutes, it was NEVER a heart thing, but a letter of the law thing, obey the LAW because it is a commandment.
Under the new Covenant, we have a new commandments LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

I John 3: 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.


Now pay close attention the Apostle John is about to tell all of us Christians what His Commandments are, and please note, the Ten Commandments are NOT mentioned here.

I John 3: 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of Him, because we keep His commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and 2) LOVE ONE ANOTHER, as He gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and he in Him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.

There you have it, Scriptures tell us plainly what His Commandments are, leave it to the this generation to teach things contrary to Scriptures and teach that His Commandments are something other than the Apostle John plainly tells us what His Commandments are. Believe the Word of God and what it plainly says, and not the words of men, which teach things contrary to sound doctrine.

Now under the New Covenant, sin is to fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, sin is not a LAW issue it is a heart issue. Under the old covenant the Holy Spirit was not commonly given to people, under the new covenant, it is the Holy Spirit of God that convicts us of what sin is, NOT the law.

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


For example if you know it would be a good thing to pray before you eat, and you do it not, you commit sin. If you don't think you should pray before you eat, then you commit no sin. The Holy Ghost convicts a person what is sinful and what is not. What may be sinful for one person may not be sinful for another. i may watch one TV show and not lust at all, another may watch the same TV show and commit the sin of lust by doing so.
Here is an example of sin under the old covenant and under the new.
A person under the old covenant, steals something from another person, commits a sin because they broke one of the ten commandments "Thou shalt not Steal"
A person under the new covenant, steals something from another person, commits a sin because they failed to love the one they stole from, NOTHING to do with whatsoever the LAW.
Old covenant = Do's and Don'ts, Laws, Commandments, Ordinances, Statutes
New covenant = Belief in the Son of God, Heart issue, LOVE ONE ANOTHER. NOT LAW
Those who are under the new covenant are no longer under the LAW, but only the law of liberty, NOT the ten commandments, which is the old covenant.

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Which covenant we are NOT under, Do not listen to anyone who tries to teach those who are under the new covenant to live by the old covenant as well. They do not understand the Truth. Let them be, as it is written, if they desire to live by the law, they shall be judged by the law, But you who know the Truth, do not hearken to them, believe the Word of God, not the words of men.

Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave nosuch commandment:

And yet even today, two thousand years later, there are still these people teaching "KEEP THE LAW" which the Apostles, not one of them, nor Jesus Himself, ever taught Christians who were under the New Covenant to continue to KEEP THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, which they gave no such instructions. Again do not listen to them, they do not know they Truth, they only THINK they do, but what they believe is contrary to Scriptures.
If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is WRONG.
And there is no way around the Truth of Scriptures.

Responding to OP
Nope sorry you have made an error suggesting that John tough differently to the rest of scripture.

Notice again the words John says:

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, even as he gave us commandment.

John also wrote:

1Jn 5:2 Hereby we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and do his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.



2Jn 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote to thee a new commandment, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we should walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, even as ye heard from the beginning, that ye should walk in it.

Paul used this same term "love one another"

Rom 13:8 Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law.

Paul says the commandments are the 10 and these are love one another.

As for your saying the in the Old Covenant I will quote just one of many verses:

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people; but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am Jehovah.

This Paul said in Romans 13 was the commandment that still stands from the Old Covenant.

SO nice try but not working.
 

gotime

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Tell me someone who does not believe or know about God comes to you, and you tell them about God but they say I don't need God I am a good person etc.

you tell them that the bible says all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. but they still feel that if there is a God they are good enough.

What do you show them so that they can see their sin and thus their need for Christ?
 

Grandpa

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Tell me someone who does not believe or know about God comes to you, and you tell them about God but they say I don't need God I am a good person etc.

you tell them that the bible says all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. but they still feel that if there is a God they are good enough.

What do you show them so that they can see their sin and thus their need for Christ?
Matthew 5...
 
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haz

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Sin is:
Unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9
Unrighteousness, 1John 5:17
Transgression of the law, 1John 3:4
Not doing good (meaning believe on Jesus), James 4:17.
Not of faith (meaning belief in Jesus), Rom 14:23
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, Matt 12:31

None of the above sins apply to Christians.

Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing (this includes sin) to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

1John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Pet 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered (crucified) for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind (our old man crucified with him, Rom 6:6): for he that hath suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) hath ceased from sin

This is not based on how good a life we live as Christians. It's all based on our position in Christ.

Col 3:3
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
 

john832

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Several posts with much info. Seems pretty simple to me...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
 
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Mitspa

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Several posts with much info. Seems pretty simple to me...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

you guys under the law have a real problem...don't you?
 
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Mitspa

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Tell me someone who does not believe or know about God comes to you, and you tell them about God but they say I don't need God I am a good person etc.

you tell them that the bible says all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. but they still feel that if there is a God they are good enough.

What do you show them so that they can see their sin and thus their need for Christ?
The law is a perfect witness against the self-righteous and the unsaved , if needed...but it should always be used as a witness to the gospel :)