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Does not the bible teach that we are to love each other unconditionally and in the same manner that God loved us? One thing I have noticed on here is how some get easily offended because of a voiced opinion and or a particular view on scripture which leads to being partial....some get cut off and not acknolwedge and or some will not speak to and or acknowledge the ones they have disagreed with while smoozing and claiming their love for other members of the forum....

Is this not being partial and how does this or can this promote biblical LOVE? Are we not to be impartial, love all and let love cover a multitude of sin and or percieved sin?

This does not mean that we will all agree on scripture for sure, but I have to wonder about some who claim to be Christian, yet are partial in how the recieve some and or cut off particular members of this forum because of a disagreement and or heated debate........just a thought.......!
 

damombomb

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Yes and if a new one comes on and needs help but types wrong , they are treated disrespectful too.
 

MarcR

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Does not the bible teach that we are to love each other unconditionally and in the same manner that God loved us? One thing I have noticed on here is how some get easily offended because of a voiced opinion and or a particular view on scripture which leads to being partial....some get cut off and not acknolwedge and or some will not speak to and or acknowledge the ones they have disagreed with while smoozing and claiming their love for other members of the forum....

Is this not being partial and how does this or can this promote biblical LOVE? Are we not to be impartial, love all and let love cover a multitude of sin and or percieved sin?

This does not mean that we will all agree on scripture for sure, but I have to wonder about some who claim to be Christian, yet are partial in how the recieve some and or cut off particular members of this forum because of a disagreement and or heated debate........just a thought.......!
I substantially agree with you. There are two things that cause me to stop listening to a member of the forum:

1) attempting to judge another person's walk with the Lord ( even if the person being judged is not me)

2) substituting name calling for arguing from scripture.
 
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riverlandfarmer

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You are correct in that we are to love unconditionally but the difference is that Christ was perfect and we as humans are NOT. Most of us love others only if they meet our silent requirements of how we think they should act, look, or whatever. In other words they have to meet conditions. I fell in love with my wife because she met certain conditions like she was drop-dead gorgeous, a great cook and very fun to be around. Had she not met those conditions then........??? Sorry, but I'm just not perfect by a mile. And I think she married me with conditions also, like I promised not to cheat and some other things too. I may have to go back and read my vows here. LOL!
 
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Does not the bible teach that we are to love each other unconditionally and in the same manner that God loved us? One thing I have noticed on here is how some get easily offended because of a voiced opinion and or a particular view on scripture which leads to being partial....some get cut off and not acknolwedge and or some will not speak to and or acknowledge the ones they have disagreed with while smoozing and claiming their love for other members of the forum....

Is this not being partial and how does this or can this promote biblical LOVE? Are we not to be impartial, love all and let love cover a multitude of sin and or percieved sin?

This does not mean that we will all agree on scripture for sure, but I have to wonder about some who claim to be Christian, yet are partial in how the recieve some and or cut off particular members of this forum because of a disagreement and or heated debate........just a thought.......!
man, dcon, you coulda just sent me a pm!

(juuusst kidding :) )
 

Angela53510

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So you are saying we should not put people on ignore who rant and rave and/or preach false doctrine?

Or that we should not present the truth of Scripture to people who twist and misuse it, due to a poor understanding of exegesis and hermeneutics?

I only have a few people on ignore, but I found I could "love" them better if I didn't engage them.

As far as spelling, as an ex-teacher, it grates on me more than you can imagine when people have poor spelling and/or grammar, sentence composition and structure, to say nothing of paragraphs that never end. BUT, more than anything, it upsets me that people have been so poorly taught. It is a crime to me that people have gone to school, where the basics should have been learned by grade 8 or 9, and these people seem read and write at a grade 4 or 5 level. (Please no nonsense about learning disabilities - I have known many people with the right help who have overcome severe LD's!)

I suppose more than anything, text speak drives me crazy. I sometimes post from my Iphone or Ipad, and I still try and maintain my standard of correct writing. Now, I am savvy enough to realize that auto-correct can abduct words in the strangest ways, and sometimes I am guilty of that.

That is why EDITING BEFORE you post is the best policy. You can correct all those silly mistakes, make it readable and understandable, then if there is one thing out of place, you can edit it in the short 5 minutes you get to edit your post.

Oh, love... right!

I do get frustrated with some cult members who spew bad doctrine. I freely admit it. Especially when they do it over, and over and over and over again. Do I love them? Ok, guilty as charged.

On the other hand, if these people are not truly members of God's church, and saved, then are we under obligation to love them? 1 John talks a lot about loving our "brothers" (inclusive of sisters in the Greek!) But it does not talk about the necessity of loving those whom we do not share a love of the same God with.

"Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." 1 John 2:9-11

"Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." 1 John 4:5-6

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love." 1 John 4:7-8

"If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother." 1 John 4:20-21

"And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us." 1 John 3:23


I may care for those who are lost, and pray for them to know God, I may hope and pray for those who are deluded about the truth of God's saving grace, but are they truly my brothers?

Not a rhetorical question, I would love to hear some answers as to our obligation to love those who are here to create strife and decision, or only here to push one doctrinal position. And yes, I do know the parable of the Good Samaritan. It means we are to care for those who are hurting, but is that the same as brotherly love?
 
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Never said that Angela as the bible does make it clear to not cast pearls before the swine...a heretic after the first and second admonition reject etc......My post is aimed at someone who gets easily offended because someone disagrees with them and or might not fully accept what they believe concerning a specific statement.....I will use us for example.....we have a few times in the past disagreed with each other and have had a litttle fervor in our back and forth, but did not get easily offended and then like a 6 year old on the play ground say I am not going to talk to you any more......that is what I am talking about....maybe I should have clarified it a little better...sorry if I came across wrong......!

So you are saying we should not put people on ignore who rant and rave and/or preach false doctrine?

Or that we should not present the truth of Scripture to people who twist and misuse it, due to a poor understanding of exegesis and hermeneutics?

I only have a few people on ignore, but I found I could "love" them better if I didn't engage them.

As far as spelling, as an ex-teacher, it grates on me more than you can imagine when people have poor spelling and/or grammar, sentence composition and structure, to say nothing of paragraphs that never end. BUT, more than anything, it upsets me that people have been so poorly taught. It is a crime to me that people have gone to school, where the basics should have been learned by grade 8 or 9, and these people seem read and write at a grade 4 or 5 level. (Please no nonsense about learning disabilities - I have known many people with the right help who have overcome severe LD's!)

I suppose more than anything, text speak drives me crazy. I sometimes post from my Iphone or Ipad, and I still try and maintain my standard of correct writing. Now, I am savvy enough to realize that auto-correct can abduct words in the strangest ways, and sometimes I am guilty of that.

That is why EDITING BEFORE you post is the best policy. You can correct all those silly mistakes, make it readable and understandable, then if there is one thing out of place, you can edit it in the short 5 minutes you get to edit your post.

Oh, love... right!

I do get frustrated with some cult members who spew bad doctrine. I freely admit it. Especially when they do it over, and over and over and over again. Do I love them? Ok, guilty as charged.

On the other hand, if these people are not truly members of God's church, and saved, then are we under obligation to love them? 1 John talks a lot about loving our "brothers" (inclusive of sisters in the Greek!) But it does not talk about the necessity of loving those whom we do not share a love of the same God with.

"Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." 1 John 2:9-11

"Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes." 1 John 4:5-6

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love." 1 John 4:7-8

"If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother." 1 John 4:20-21

"And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us." 1 John 3:23


I may care for those who are lost, and pray for them to know God, I may hope and pray for those who are deluded about the truth of God's saving grace, but are they truly my brothers?

Not a rhetorical question, I would love to hear some answers as to our obligation to love those who are here to create strife and decision, or only here to push one doctrinal position. And yes, I do know the parable of the Good Samaritan. It means we are to care for those who are hurting, but is that the same as brotherly love?
 
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Doctrinal differences should not lead to judgement and comdemnation. As Jesus warned to not judge or condemn one another.

This does not mean we should not contend with those we believe are teaching falsehood, but we should contend with a Spirit of love. We are called to love our enemies, let alone those who we disagree with doctrinally.
 
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phil112

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Does not the bible teach that we are to love each other unconditionally and in the same manner that God loved us? One thing I have noticed on here is how some get easily offended because of a voiced opinion and or a particular view on scripture which leads to being partial....some get cut off and not acknolwedge and or some will not speak to and or acknowledge the ones they have disagreed with while smoozing and claiming their love for other members of the forum....

Is this not being partial and how does this or can this promote biblical LOVE? Are we not to be impartial, love all and let love cover a multitude of sin and or percieved sin?

This does not mean that we will all agree on scripture for sure, but I have to wonder about some who claim to be Christian, yet are partial in how the recieve some and or cut off particular members of this forum because of a disagreement and or heated debate........just a thought.......!
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Paul, here, makes my case. The defense rests.
 
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phil112

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Not a rhetorical question, I would love to hear some answers as to our obligation to love those who are here to create strife and decision, or only here to push one doctrinal position. And yes, I do know the parable of the Good Samaritan. It means we are to care for those who are hurting, but is that the same as brotherly love?
God said love your neighbor. Neighbors aren't always brothers in Christ.
This is sometimes hard for me to keep in mind. Here is how I look at it.

God made that individual that grates on my nerves. Why? Because He loves him. Who do I think I am to tell God that He made someone impossible for me to love, when He tells me I can? I am no one, and I won't do it. God says love you, and by His grace that's exactly what I'm going to do.

By the way, the spelling and grammar thing gets me too.......and I'm no teacher, just a lowly mechanic. C'mon people, learn the difference between your, you're, too, to, and on and on ad nauseam.
 
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Phil,

Exactly my point, Paul confronted Peter because he was bearing false witness, he did not judge or condemn Peter.
Paul saw that Peter was not walking by faith in Christ, but was more concerned how others (Jews) saw him. Peter stood condemned by God, not Paul.

As I said we can confront those we believe are teaching falsehood, but we are not called to judge and condemn them.

God will judge those who live by faith and those who live by the Law, and those who live in darkness.

We know that those who live by faith are not condemned, and our desire should be that all live by faith in Jesus Christ, but we have no authority to judge or condemn those who do not follow God by faith
 
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phil112

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Phil,

Exactly my point, Paul confronted Peter because he was bearing false witness, he did not judge or condemn Peter.
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You have got to be kidding me. That's what you got out of that event? Paul got right up in Peters grill "because he was to be blamed" and you don't see Paul pointing the finger of hypocrisy at Peter?????
Friend, you need to study more.
 
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phil112

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Phil,

Exactly my point, Paul confronted Peter because he was bearing false witness, he did not judge or condemn Peter.
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Vernon, that is exactly what Paul was doing - condemning Peter for his hypocrisy. Read it, and sleep on it. That is a plain lesson.
 
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I do not believe Paul got up in Peter's face and said you are to hell unless you repent.

Paul has no authority to condemn anyone.
 

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Does not the bible teach that we are to love each other unconditionally and in the same manner that God loved us? One thing I have noticed on here is how some get easily offended because of a voiced opinion and or a particular view on scripture which leads to being partial....some get cut off and not acknolwedge and or some will not speak to and or acknowledge the ones they have disagreed with while smoozing and claiming their love for other members of the forum....

Is this not being partial and how does this or can this promote biblical LOVE? Are we not to be impartial, love all and let love cover a multitude of sin and or percieved sin?

This does not mean that we will all agree on scripture for sure, but I have to wonder about some who claim to be Christian, yet are partial in how the recieve some and or cut off particular members of this forum because of a disagreement and or heated debate........just a thought.......!
I'm guilty as charged, Brother. Right, wrong or indifferent there are definitely times I'm more like Jesus overturning the tables rather than Jesus forgiving the adulterous woman. We're all a work in progress and I appreciate you starting this thread because its a tool that can help me fully achieve the fruit of the Spirit.
 
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phil112

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I do not believe Paul got up in Peter's face and said you are to hell unless you repent.

Paul has no authority to condemn anyone.
You're adding words to my posts.
Paul condemned Peter. Look up the word. Paul said, in effect, "Peter you're being a hypocrite, stop it". You tell me...just what in heaven do you think that exchange was about???
Friend, you are waaay up a river in Egypt if you think Paul wasn't telling Peter he was wrong....and we can deduct from that confrontation that one that stays wrong is due condemnation from Christ.
Peter bit the bullet. Read the bible. He later capitulated to Paul and praised him. Vernon, you, Peter, Paul, or anyone else that has ever walked this orb, if we continue in sin (you think sustained hypocrisy isn't sin?), we will not see heaven.

Until you can understand the words you read you shouldn't present yourself as knowledgeable on a subject.
I don't talk much about prophecy..why? Because I don't study it and I'm not an authority. I understand doctrine. It is simple and clearly revealed for us. You are wrong here and it is not to my ego, but to your gain, if you can grasp that. This isn't something I have "discovered", it is plain scripture.
 
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phil112

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I do not believe Paul got up in Peter's face and said you are to hell unless you repent.

Paul has no authority to condemn anyone.
Sure he does. The word of God gave him that authority. The same word that gives me the authority to condemn your statements here as wrong. Gods' word does the condemnation, not man. You simply don't grasp that, do you?