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yes.
yahweh says it is not supposed to be interpreted. he tells his children the meaning, and he doesn't tell confusion.
although sometimes his children get mixed up and argue, when they settle on yahshua and pray and wait on him truthfully,
he gives them the unity and union that you do not see here or in almost any place, but only in the few who like the apostles and the
disciples and the ekklesia in acts and in the NT were said to be "in union with yahweh in yahshua". this is 'supposed to be' the goal of
ekklesia, but few are willing to pay the price; still, some do, and if you are also willing to, you may be so blessed as to meet them.
yahweh says it is not supposed to be interpreted. he tells his children the meaning, and he doesn't tell confusion.
although sometimes his children get mixed up and argue, when they settle on yahshua and pray and wait on him truthfully,
he gives them the unity and union that you do not see here or in almost any place, but only in the few who like the apostles and the
disciples and the ekklesia in acts and in the NT were said to be "in union with yahweh in yahshua". this is 'supposed to be' the goal of
ekklesia, but few are willing to pay the price; still, some do, and if you are also willing to, you may be so blessed as to meet them.
I think one of the main reasons there are 30,000 different church denominations in the world is pride. People like to think they know the full truth and others do not. They need to get to where they are.
The important thing is to agree on salvational belief. The bible is far more simple on what that belief is than the convoluted doctrines of man that emerged with the scholar and theologian over time. Incidentally, the greatest power seen in the Christian church was seen before the scholar and theologian came along, not after!
There will always be disputable matters. The new testament church had people in it who believed Gentile converts should be required to be circumcised and obey the whole law, many saw it very differently from that-Paul being the obvious one. But they wrere all in the one church denomination and under the one leadership. Seems such a long time ago now doesn't it
It is the Holy Spirit who leads into truth. If he were truly looked to for truth, rather than man relying on his natural ability to learn the spiritual, there would not be 30,000 plus Christian denominations, for in the Spirit, and only in the Spirit can we become of one heart and one mind
If we read Revelations we see the name of the last church is the church of Laodicea. Laodicea means peoples’ opinions. We are in that church and the fact that we have more than 40,000 church denominations is testimony to that. The Bible tells us that a small portion of believers will enter the gates and today we have mainstream religion blinding the herd with psychology and music. We have to turn away from this and focus on God’s word.
Because of the following....
1. A lack of understanding
2. Regurgitating what someone else believes and teaches
3. Relying on commentaries
4. Not saved and no ability to spiritually discern the word
5. Wilfull rejection of truth in favor of heresy
6. Deceived and or blinded by Satan
Etc.
Many reason why there are numerous interpretations of scripture....!
1. A lack of understanding
2. Regurgitating what someone else believes and teaches
3. Relying on commentaries
4. Not saved and no ability to spiritually discern the word
5. Wilfull rejection of truth in favor of heresy
6. Deceived and or blinded by Satan
Etc.
Many reason why there are numerous interpretations of scripture....!
There are many different interpretations of the bible because,
1) Pride/rebellion: Some people do not want to actually listen to what the Bible is teaching.
2) Emotionalism : These are the people who claim to have the Holy Spirit and say that He speaks to them yet are not even Christians, who are going by emotions and what feels the best to them.
3) Precoceived ideas : People are told one interpretation (maybe by family, teachers, preachers etc.) and even if that interpretation is wrong they just stick to it.
4) Ignorance : At one point or another we are all ignorant about the Bible. That is why we need to study, study, study.
5) All the 'church' denominations/divisions have done major work in making mass confusion.
6) False teachers who since the beginning of time have twisted scriptures.
7) Bible translations.
Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.
1) Pride/rebellion: Some people do not want to actually listen to what the Bible is teaching.
2) Emotionalism : These are the people who claim to have the Holy Spirit and say that He speaks to them yet are not even Christians, who are going by emotions and what feels the best to them.
3) Precoceived ideas : People are told one interpretation (maybe by family, teachers, preachers etc.) and even if that interpretation is wrong they just stick to it.
4) Ignorance : At one point or another we are all ignorant about the Bible. That is why we need to study, study, study.
5) All the 'church' denominations/divisions have done major work in making mass confusion.
6) False teachers who since the beginning of time have twisted scriptures.
7) Bible translations.
Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.
well, there is a place for 'arguing', but not like goes on with people who 'say' they are in the body of Christ but aren't, and that is a huge part of the problem ever since before constantine and especially after constantine. (the time when all people all of a sudden, so to speak, 'became christian' by law of constantine and other political and religious leaders under the control of hasatan).....
i.e. when the only christians were martyrs, they didn't argue nonsense most of the time.
when EVERYBODY became christian, by world state religious law, then the real believers became even more obscure (forgotten, out of sight, gone from view) and ALL the discussions not just the arguments became vain and promoted death without repentance and without forgiveness.
most of the population has always been deceived since then. that's a big part of why arguing is going on so strong.
i.e. when the only christians were martyrs, they didn't argue nonsense most of the time.
when EVERYBODY became christian, by world state religious law, then the real believers became even more obscure (forgotten, out of sight, gone from view) and ALL the discussions not just the arguments became vain and promoted death without repentance and without forgiveness.
most of the population has always been deceived since then. that's a big part of why arguing is going on so strong.
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You spend so much time mindless hating of RCC you have failed to notice your own problems.:
The dissent is in the protestant ranks, here on this forum on every issues imaginable.
Inevitable since the reformation empowered every man to form a denomination around his private interpretation of doctrine, now tens of thousands of sects and counting, because of endless fractures on doctrine.
Luther regretted the monster he gave birth to.
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The problem is simple. Sola scriptura "bible alone" is neither biblical, logical nor historical.
You cannot rely on believing you discern the holy spirit, since every side of every argument claims the same.
Luther abhorred this saying every milkmaid had their own doctrine! He said towards the end of his life:
“There are as many sects now and beliefs as there are heads. This fellow has nothing to do with baptism. Another one denies the sacraments. A third believes there is another world between this one and the last day. Some teach that Christ is not God. Some say this, some say that. There is no rustic so rude that if he dreams or fancies anything believes it must be the whisper of the Holy Spirit and that he himself must be a prophet.”
Even more critical of the non denominational one man factions arising from self interpretation.
"In matters of faith, to be sure, each Christian is for himself Pope and Church.” “There will be the greatest confusion. Nobody will allow himself to be led by another man’s doctrine or authority. Everyone will be his own rabbi: hence, the greatest scandals.”
Luther Concludes.
"If God had not closed my eyes, and if I had foreseen these scandals, I would never have begun to teach the gospel."
"If the world lasts, it will be necessary, on account of the differing interpretations of Scripture which now exist, that to preserve the unity of faith, we should receive the Catholic councils and decrees and fly to them for refuge."
The bible says the "pillar and foundation of truth is the church" NOT the bible.
The early church was sacramental, liturgical, appointed bishops with succession, believed in such as real presence.
So the question is which church is now similar and rests essentially unchanged in doctrine for millenia? There is only one.
So go direct your bile at protestantism Jeff for the endless heretical schisms.
Every head pastor and you plays at being pope and here is the result.
Take this http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109003-just-so-heartbreaking.html
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The dissent is in the protestant ranks, here on this forum on every issues imaginable.
Inevitable since the reformation empowered every man to form a denomination around his private interpretation of doctrine, now tens of thousands of sects and counting, because of endless fractures on doctrine.
Luther regretted the monster he gave birth to.
.
The problem is simple. Sola scriptura "bible alone" is neither biblical, logical nor historical.
You cannot rely on believing you discern the holy spirit, since every side of every argument claims the same.
Luther abhorred this saying every milkmaid had their own doctrine! He said towards the end of his life:
“There are as many sects now and beliefs as there are heads. This fellow has nothing to do with baptism. Another one denies the sacraments. A third believes there is another world between this one and the last day. Some teach that Christ is not God. Some say this, some say that. There is no rustic so rude that if he dreams or fancies anything believes it must be the whisper of the Holy Spirit and that he himself must be a prophet.”
Even more critical of the non denominational one man factions arising from self interpretation.
"In matters of faith, to be sure, each Christian is for himself Pope and Church.” “There will be the greatest confusion. Nobody will allow himself to be led by another man’s doctrine or authority. Everyone will be his own rabbi: hence, the greatest scandals.”
Luther Concludes.
"If God had not closed my eyes, and if I had foreseen these scandals, I would never have begun to teach the gospel."
"If the world lasts, it will be necessary, on account of the differing interpretations of Scripture which now exist, that to preserve the unity of faith, we should receive the Catholic councils and decrees and fly to them for refuge."
The bible says the "pillar and foundation of truth is the church" NOT the bible.
The early church was sacramental, liturgical, appointed bishops with succession, believed in such as real presence.
So the question is which church is now similar and rests essentially unchanged in doctrine for millenia? There is only one.
So go direct your bile at protestantism Jeff for the endless heretical schisms.
Every head pastor and you plays at being pope and here is the result.
Take this http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109003-just-so-heartbreaking.html
.
Some people just BABEL.....
Genesis 11:5-9[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Genesis 11:5-9[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Among all true believers, essential teachings about Salvation are the same.
Because languages have multiple meanings for the same word people who speak tend to misunderstand each other. Writing is essentially speech on paper.
God, in His wisdom, chose to use imperfect men to write and translate His perfect Word.
I believe that the Holy Spirit allows human error to come into the text; but superintends both the writing and the translation to prevent any important teaching from being altered.
God is indisputably able to do Himself anything He wants done. God has chosen, for our benefit, to include those who trust and serve Him in His work; even though our imperfections may be seen in what we do.
why do we have to argue? humm...seems feasible that since we all are supposed to be filled with the same Holy Spirit, then why do we read different things into scripture? Welcome to the world, after the introduction of SIN. Each person matures different, spiritually speaking. I have changed my personal views on many biblical topics over the years as I grow in HIS Spirit...therefore, we have various ideas and will argue to get our point or opinion across to others. That is why we argue.
For instance...
Someone does not like the idea of all their own possessions (which is not a Christian ideal to have your own besides your own measure of God) being under the control of God through apostles or voting/casting lots... so they find excuses to allow them to misinterpret scripture that is such a very clear example...and not even difficulr or impossible as some who love their own would have many believe. Most of these people live and speak according to the flesh...even among Christians.
Acts 4:31-33King James Version (KJV)
31*And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
32*And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33*And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
2 Corinthians 8:7-9King James Version (KJV)
7*Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.
8*I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
9*For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
Ephesians 2:11-13King James Version (KJV)
11*Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12*That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13*But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
How people misinterpret the message of love is simple...they don't want to take up their cross and speak the word of God through body language...just their mouth.
Someone does not like the idea of all their own possessions (which is not a Christian ideal to have your own besides your own measure of God) being under the control of God through apostles or voting/casting lots... so they find excuses to allow them to misinterpret scripture that is such a very clear example...and not even difficulr or impossible as some who love their own would have many believe. Most of these people live and speak according to the flesh...even among Christians.
Acts 4:31-33King James Version (KJV)
31*And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
32*And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33*And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
2 Corinthians 8:7-9King James Version (KJV)
7*Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.
8*I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
9*For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
Ephesians 2:11-13King James Version (KJV)
11*Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12*That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13*But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
How people misinterpret the message of love is simple...they don't want to take up their cross and speak the word of God through body language...just their mouth.
