No Longer to Obey Commandments

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p_rehbein

p_rehbein

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Just a thought here........but if this is true.......that we do not have to obey commandments any longer because we are under Grace, then please explain this..........

The Apostle Paul and the numerous commandments he issued to the churches in his Epistles.

Which takes precedence? The commandments of Christ, or the commandments of Paul?

Just a few days ago a person on this Forum told me that we were no longer obligated to follow the commandments of Christ other than the specific to of "loving God, and loving our Neighbor."

Ok.

So, I took a look at some other threads, and this same person was going off on the idea of women pastors and quoting the commandments of Paul.

??????????

Is it just me? Seriously?

Anyway, just a thought.............
 
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Jesus coming in second? I don't think so!
 
p_rehbein

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Dunno, seems to be........but, that may just be me. :)

If a person is a dreaded "legalist" for thinking we should obey the commandments of Jesus.............

What is the person who insists we must obey the commandments of Paul?

I truly don't know.............it's, well, it's almost a mystery.
 
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No matter what, there are some of us who just HAVE to have themselves some rules to follow. It's almost like it is not in their hearts to treat others right unless they are told they have to.
 
MarcR

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p_rehbein said:
Just a thought here........but if this is true.......that we do not have to obey commandments any longer because we are under Grace, then please explain this..........

The Apostle Paul and the numerous commandments he issued to the churches in his Epistles.

Which takes precedence? The commandments of Christ, or the commandments of Paul?

Just a few days ago a person on this Forum told me that we were no longer obligated to follow the commandments of Christ other than the specific to of "loving God, and loving our Neighbor."

Ok.

So, I took a look at some other threads, and this same person was going off on the idea of women pastors and quoting the commandments of Paul.

??????????

Is it just me? Seriously?

Anyway, just a thought.............
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If, as we both do, we believe Scripture to be inspired; then we must believe that the teachings taught by Paul are the teachings of Christ; except in the rare instances where Paul admits to speaking on his own authority-- though we should recognize that Paul's own authority is considerable.
 
p_rehbein

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MarcR said:
If, as we both do, we believe Scripture to be inspired; then we must believe that the teachings taught by Paul are the teachings of Christ; except in the rare instances where Paul admits to speaking on his own authority-- though we should recognize that Paul's own authority is considerable.
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yes, but that isn't really the point here........... :) How can we be chastised for saying we should obey the commandments of Christ, and labeled "legalists" by the folks who say we MUST obey the commandments of Paul?


That's kinda the point. :)
 
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p_rehbein said:
yes, but that isn't really the point here........... :) How can we be chastised for saying we should obey the commandments of Christ, and labeled "legalists" by the folks who say we MUST obey the commandments of Paul?


That's kinda the point. :)
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I had not observed that ;but I certainly agree.

To those who hold such a position:

If we believe Scripture to be inspired then we must believe that the teachings of Christ are the teachings of Paul.
 
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p_rehbein said:
Just a thought here........but if this is true.......that we do not have to obey commandments any longer because we are under Grace, then please explain this..........

The Apostle Paul and the numerous commandments he issued to the churches in his Epistles.

Which takes precedence? The commandments of Christ, or the commandments of Paul?

Just a few days ago a person on this Forum told me that we were no longer obligated to follow the commandments of Christ other than the specific to of "loving God, and loving our Neighbor."

Ok.

So, I took a look at some other threads, and this same person was going off on the idea of women pastors and quoting the commandments of Paul.

??????????

Is it just me? Seriously?

Anyway, just a thought.............
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Hello p_reborn
It's just that when we follow the two commandments we establish in truth the things in the ten commandments.

When I say establish in truth I mean the inside is true and we are not doing it insincerly.
 
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Well, I'm the legalist in this thread and I have to agree with you p_rehbein, either we obey or we don't, we don't get to pick and choose whom we obey, only if we will.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Hello p_reborn
It's just that when we follow the two commandments we establish in truth the things in the ten commandments.

When I say establish in truth I mean the inside is true and we are not doing it insincerly.
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Yes but if you violate one of the ten and claim to be obeying the two, are you really obeying the two Great Commandments?
 
p_rehbein

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seed_time_harvest said:
Hello p_reborn
It's just that when we follow the two commandments we establish in truth the things in the ten commandments.

When I say establish in truth I mean the inside is true and we are not doing it insincerly.
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So, then, when we follow the two commandments......we also establish in truth the commandments of Paul? In our hearts they are established.......so no need to attempt physical obedience? Just wondering. I think these are valid question.
 
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p_rehbein said:
So, then, when we follow the two commandments......we also establish in truth the commandments of Paul? In our hearts they are established.......so no need to attempt physical obedience? Just wondering. I think these are valid question.
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Since the Two Great Commandments are the summation of the Ten, how can one be in obedience to the two Great Commandments while violating one of the points of them?
 
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p_rehbein said:
Just a thought here........but if this is true.......that we do not have to obey commandments any longer because we are under Grace, then please explain this..........

The Apostle Paul and the numerous commandments he issued to the churches in his Epistles.

Which takes precedence? The commandments of Christ, or the commandments of Paul?

Just a few days ago a person on this Forum told me that we were no longer obligated to follow the commandments of Christ other than the specific to of "loving God, and loving our Neighbor."

Ok.

So, I took a look at some other threads, and this same person was going off on the idea of women pastors and quoting the commandments of Paul.

??????????

Is it just me? Seriously?

Anyway, just a thought.............
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We are always obligated to to obey whatever proceeds from the mouth of the Lord. The difference is that the things that were given exclusively to Israel under the law are no linger in force. These have been abrogated by the Lord himself. We are now under the Law of Christ.
 
p_rehbein

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oldhermit said:
We are always obligated to to obey whatever proceeds from the mouth of the Lord. The difference is that the things that were given exclusively to Israel under the law are no linger in force. These have been abrogated by the Lord himself. We are now under the Law of Christ.
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Ok, So, will someone be kind enough to update the Bible and tear out all of the stuff that is no longer in force? Man, that would end a lot of disagreements.

Can someone get right on this please?
 
p_rehbein

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john832 said:
Since the Two Great Commandments are the summation of the Ten, how can one be in obedience to the two Great Commandments while violating one of the points of them?
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Yu iz asking the wrong person :)
 
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p_rehbein said:
Ok, So, will someone be kind enough to update the Bible and tear out all of the stuff that is no longer in force? Man, that would end a lot of disagreements.

Can someone get right on this please?
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Do you still feel compelled by the law to offer the morning and evening burnt offering with it accompanying meal and drink offering?
 
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I cannot understand why folks cannot get this matter straight. A Christian has a new nature. That new nature delights to do Gods will. Not because they have to but because they joyfully follow the Lord Who saved them.

As relates to the law we are reconciled through the blood of Christ. There is no penalty of sin attached to us according to the law. The law dictates death to all who have sinned. That is now satisfied by Jesus Christ on our behalf.

Since we are now in Christ we now delight to live for Christ. We do righteousness because it is the right thing and it delights our new nature. If we and we do fail then we are convicted of our sin and our need to seek forgiveness of our Savior. Not forgiveness to regain salvation but that our joy in Christ might be restored. I fear that a great deal of the problem lies in that many have never known the joy of Christ in their life so they still strive against the rudiments of the law instead of rejoicing in the liberty of grace.

Christians do give an account of what they have done since saved and they give that account to Christ but it is the works that are tried not the believer themselves.

The great thing about grace is the liberty that is ours to eat or not to eat, to worship on whatever day we find to worship and we are only restrained by our responsibility not to offend those who are weaker in the faith.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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oldhermit said:
We are always obligated to to obey whatever proceeds from the mouth of the Lord. The difference is that the things that were given exclusively to Israel under the law are no linger in force. These have been abrogated by the Lord himself. We are now under the Law of Christ.
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Funny, it was the Lord's mouth these Laws came out of.
 
p_rehbein

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notuptome said:
I cannot understand why folks cannot get this matter straight. A Christian has a new nature. That new nature delights to do Gods will. Not because they have to but because they joyfully follow the Lord Who saved them.

As relates to the law we are reconciled through the blood of Christ. There is no penalty of sin attached to us according to the law. The law dictates death to all who have sinned. That is now satisfied by Jesus Christ on our behalf.

Since we are now in Christ we now delight to live for Christ. We do righteousness because it is the right thing and it delights our new nature. If we and we do fail then we are convicted of our sin and our need to seek forgiveness of our Savior. Not forgiveness to regain salvation but that our joy in Christ might be restored. I fear that a great deal of the problem lies in that many have never known the joy of Christ in their life so they still strive against the rudiments of the law instead of rejoicing in the liberty of grace.

Christians do give an account of what they have done since saved and they give that account to Christ but it is the works that are tried not the believer themselves.

The great thing about grace is the liberty that is ours to eat or not to eat, to worship on whatever day we find to worship and we are only restrained by our responsibility not to offend those who are weaker in the faith.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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So, then, this also applies to the commandments of Paul, Peter and James?
 
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