Modern Day Pharisees

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May 21, 2014
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This has been a challenging day in this room among folks proclaiming LOVE OF JESUS. A person expect the world to demean, belittle, reject, ridicule and attack a person. It never cease to amaze me that one who is doing the attack is a professing Christian of the Body of Christ. A demonic spirit that is trying to divide the Body of Christ , but is portraying oneself of an messenger of ABBA. Why do some many Christians fall for this tactic of strife, division, self righteousness, condemning, judging, carnal flesh, ego, or Christian who is in bondage.

I am suppose to be a Light to the World in darkness through the Holy Spirit and love. I am not perfect because I am have fallen short of the Glory of ABBA. When I fall I know to go to the Throne of GOD repenting and asking for forgiveness. Serving in the Kingdom of ABBA is a joy, but why are some Christians feel it is a ball and chain around their necks. Why is the environment of Christians hostile because it should be environment of learning, sharing, uplifting, encouraging, edifying, enduring, and respecting one another in the Body of Christ. Many Christians are from different denominations with different doctrines or interpretation of men. There is one common denominator which is JESUS CHRIST the SON of GOD who saved us all on the CROSS during Crucifixion. Are there modern day Pharisees who follow the law and condemn others because others do not believe like they do? The Sacred Word is the Breath(Ruach) of ABBA.

[h=1]John 16 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h]16 “I have told you these things to keep you from stumbling. 2 They will ban you from the synagogues. In fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering service to God. 3 They will do these things because they haven’t known the Father or Me. 4 But I have told you these things so that when their time[a] comes you may remember I told them to you. I didn’t tell you these things from the beginning, because I was with you.

Religious folks will ban a person from the church because the person does not meet the country club religion qualifications. JESUS was warning the disciples then and that same warning is for true disciples today.

12 “I still have many things to tell you, but you can’t bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all the truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak whatever He hears. He will also declare to you what is to come. 14 He will glorify Me, because He will take from what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 Everything the Father has is Mine. This is why I told you that He takes from what is Mine and will declare it to you.

Whose Spirit of Truth is coming man's or JESUS? Man's teaching must line up with JESUS through Spirit of Truth which is called the Holy Spirit.


[h=1]John 17 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][h=3]Jesus Prays for All Believers[/h][h=3]20 I pray not only for these,
but also for those who believe in Me
through their message.
21 May they all be one,
as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You.
May they also be one[f] in Us,
so the world may believe You sent Me.
22 I have given them the glory You have given Me.
May they be one as We are one.
23 I am in them and You are in Me.
May they be made completely one,
so the world may know You have sent Me
and have loved them as You have loved Me.
24 Father,
I desire those You have given Me
to be with Me where I am.
Then they will see My glory,
which You have given Me
because You loved Me before the world’s foundation.
25 Righteous Father!
The world has not known You.
However, I have known You,
and these have known that You sent Me.
26 I made Your name known to them
and will make it known,
so the love You have loved Me with
may be in them and I may be in them.

Listen Listen!! JESUS prayed for all believers during HIS time there were many beliefs. In the prayer above do we see the following names: Baptist, Pentecostal, Apostolic, JW, SDA, Mormons, Calvinism, Catholic, Orthodox, Methodist, Anglican, Jewish, Muslim, Church of Christ,many Non- Denominations, Self Proclaiming Teaching,Lutheran,Congregational/United Church of Christ, Presbyterian, Assemblies of GOD, and many more. All these man made religions are not of GOD, if we are truly going to judge one another then everyone is a false belief. Why are others judging one another beliefs when it is a personal relationship with GOD.


Did JESUS speak to people in a demeaning, belittling, judgmental, attacking, degrading,or condemning others in different beliefs? Did JESUS teach HIS disciples have a hostile attitude towards others? Is it about unbelief or spiritual blindness?



[/h][h=1]John 9 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][h=3]The Blind Man’s Sight and the Pharisees’ Blindness[/h]35 When Jesus heard that they had thrown the man out, He found him and asked, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”[g]
36 “Who is He, Sir, that I may believe in Him?” he asked.
37 Jesus answered, “You have seen Him; in fact, He is the One speaking with you.”
38 “I believe, Lord!” he said, and he worshiped Him.
39 Jesus said, “I came into this world for judgment, in order that those who do not see will see and those who do see will become blind.”
40 Some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these things and asked Him, “We aren’t blind too, are we?”
41 “If you were blind,” Jesus told them, “you wouldn’t have sin.[h] But now that you say, ‘We see’—your sin remains.


[h=1]John 12 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][h=3]saiah’s Prophecies Fulfilled[/h]37 Even though He had performed so many signs in their presence, they did not believe in Him.38 But this was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet, who said:[k]
Lord, who has believed our message?
And who has the arm of the Lord
been revealed to?[l]


39 This is why they were unable to believe, because Isaiah also said:
40 He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts,
so that they would not see with their eyes
or understand with their hearts,
and be converted,
and I would heal them.[m]


41 Isaiah said these things because[n] he saw His glory and spoke about Him.
42 Nevertheless, many did believe in Him even among the rulers, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, so they would not be banned from the synagogue. 43 For they loved praise from men more than praise from God.[o]
[h=3]Listen, Modern day Pharisees will attack true believers in Body of Christ! Must have the Amour of GOD on daily!![/h]13 This is why you must take up the full armor of God, so that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and having prepared everything, to take your stand. 14 Stand, therefore,with truth like a belt around your waist,
righteousness like armor on your chest,
15 and your feet sandaled with readiness
for the gospel of peace.[b]
16 In every situation take the shield of faith,
and with it you will be able to extinguish
all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
17 Take the helmet of salvation,
and the sword of the Spirit,
which is God’s word.






 
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We should have a study showing exactly what the Pharisees did, it might be a good thing to have a thread showing examples of their hypocricies (even as there were those of the sect of the Pharisees which believed) and what it is they also said.

Its always presently very vaguely typically but there are examples in there
 

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#3
This has been a challenging day in this room among folks proclaiming LOVE OF JESUS. A person expect the world to demean, belittle, reject, ridicule and attack a person. It never cease to amaze me that one who is doing the attack is a professing Christian of the Body of Christ. A demonic spirit that is trying to divide the Body of Christ , but is portraying oneself of an messenger of ABBA. Why do some many Christians fall for this tactic of strife, division, self righteousness, condemning, judging, carnal flesh, ego, or Christian who is in bondage.

I am suppose to be a Light to the World in darkness through the Holy Spirit and love. I am not perfect because I am have fallen short of the Glory of ABBA. When I fall I know to go to the Throne of GOD repenting and asking for forgiveness. Serving in the Kingdom of ABBA is a joy, but why are some Christians feel it is a ball and chain around their necks. Why is the environment of Christians hostile because it should be environment of learning, sharing, uplifting, encouraging, edifying, enduring, and respecting one another in the Body of Christ. Many Christians are from different denominations with different doctrines or interpretation of men. There is one common denominator which is JESUS CHRIST the SON of GOD who saved us all on the CROSS during Crucifixion. Are there modern day Pharisees who follow the law and condemn others because others do not believe like they do? The Sacred Word is the Breath(Ruach) of ABBA.

John 16 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

16 “I have told you these things to keep you from stumbling. 2 They will ban you from the synagogues. In fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering service to God.3 They will do these things because they haven’t known the Father or Me. 4 But I have told you these things so that when their time[a] comes you may remember I told them to you. I didn’t tell you these things from the beginning, because I was with you.

Religious folks will ban a person from the church because the person does not meet the country club religion qualifications. JESUS was warning the disciples then and that same warning is for true disciples today.

12 “I still have many things to tell you, but you can’t bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all the truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak whatever He hears. He will also declare to you what is to come.14 He will glorify Me, because He will take from what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 Everything the Father has is Mine. This is why I told you that He takes from what is Mine and will declare it to you.

Whose Spirit of Truth is coming man's or JESUS? Man's teaching must line up with JESUS through Spirit of Truth which is called the Holy Spirit.


John 17 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

Jesus Prays for All Believers

20 I pray not only for these,
but also for those who believe in Me
through their message.
21 May they all be one,
as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You.
May they also be one[f] in Us,
so the world may believe You sent Me.
22 I have given them the glory You have given Me.
May they be one as We are one.
23 I am in them and You are in Me.
May they be made completely one,
so the world may know You have sent Me
and have loved them as You have loved Me.
24 Father,
I desire those You have given Me
to be with Me where I am.
Then they will see My glory,
which You have given Me
because You loved Me before the world’s foundation.
25 Righteous Father!
The world has not known You.
However, I have known You,
and these have known that You sent Me.
26 I made Your name known to them
and will make it known,
so the love You have loved Me with
may be in them and I may be in them.

Listen Listen!! JESUS prayed for all believers during HIS time there were many beliefs. In the prayer above do we see the following names: Baptist, Pentecostal, Apostolic, JW, SDA, Mormons, Calvinism, Catholic, Orthodox, Methodist, Anglican, Jewish, Muslim, Church of Christ,many Non- Denominations, Self Proclaiming Teaching,Lutheran,Congregational/United Church of Christ, Presbyterian, Assemblies of GOD, and many more. All these man made religions are not of GOD, if we are truly going to judge one another then everyone is a false belief. Why are others judging one another beliefs when it is a personal relationship with GOD.


Did JESUS speak to people in a demeaning, belittling, judgmental, attacking, degrading,or condemning others in different beliefs? Did JESUS teach HIS disciples have a hostile attitude towards others? Is it about unbelief or spiritual blindness?





John 9 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

The Blind Man’s Sight and the Pharisees’ Blindness

35 When Jesus heard that they had thrown the man out, He found him and asked, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”[g]
36 “Who is He, Sir, that I may believe in Him?” he asked.
37 Jesus answered, “You have seen Him; in fact, He is the One speaking with you.”
38 “I believe, Lord!” he said, and he worshiped Him.
39 Jesus said, “I came into this world for judgment, in order that those who do not see will see and those who do see will become blind.”
40 Some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these things and asked Him, “We aren’t blind too, are we?”
41 “If you were blind,” Jesus told them, “you wouldn’t have sin.[h] But now that you say, ‘We see’—your sin remains.


John 12 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

saiah’s Prophecies Fulfilled

37 Even though He had performed so many signs in their presence, they did not believe in Him.38 But this was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet, who said:[k]
Lord, who has believed our message?
And who has the arm of the Lord
been revealed to?[l]


39 This is why they were unable to believe, because Isaiah also said:
40 He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts,
so that they would not see with their eyes
or understand with their hearts,
and be converted,
and I would heal them.[m]


41 Isaiah said these things because[n] he saw His glory and spoke about Him.
42 Nevertheless, many did believe in Him even among the rulers, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, so they would not be banned from the synagogue. 43 For they loved praise from men more than praise from God.[o]
Listen, Modern day Pharisees will attack true believers in Body of Christ! Must have the Amour of GOD on daily!!

13 This is why you must take up the full armor of God, so that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and having prepared everything, to take your stand. 14 Stand, therefore,with truth like a belt around your waist,
righteousness like armor on your chest,
15 and your feet sandaled with readiness
for the gospel of peace.[b]
16 In every situation take the shield of faith,
and with it you will be able to extinguish
all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
17 Take the helmet of salvation,
and the sword of the Spirit,
which is God’s word.






You are right that christians should be more supportive of each-other, but there are some things to think about here:

* This chat site is no church-- it has christians, some people who think they are christians but actually aren't, atheists, some New Age/Mystic types posting in. And then you have the various kinds of christians which go to churches who have very different positions on scripture

* What is the body of Christ? I am guessing you believe it is every true believer on earth.. but if you look at scripture it is a local and visible congregation or assembly of saved baptised believers. The Family of God is probably what you mean.

* So unity then in the NT is all about unity in New Testament churches. It's not about unity across believers everywhere.
 
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We should have a study showing exactly what the Pharisees did, it might be a good thing to have a thread showing examples of their hypocricies (even as there were those of the sect of the Pharisees which believed) and what it is they also said.

Its always presently very vaguely typically but there are examples in there
The pharisees were the ones that were using the name of God in vain; they were torturing, persecuting or killing people in the name of God.

Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Salem witch trials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Joan of Arc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Civil Rights Martyrs | Southern Poverty Law Center
 
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I am speaking of the examples as shown in scriptures first
Matthew 16:6 “Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”

Women have always been healers. They were the unlicensed doctors and anatomists of western history. They were abortionists, nurses and counsellors. They were pharmacists, cultivating healing herbs and exchanging the secrets of their uses. They were midwives, travelling from home to home and village to village. For centuries women were doctors without degrees, barred from books and lectures, learning from each other, and passing on experience from neighbor to neighbor and mother to daughter. They were called “wise women” by the people, witches or charlatans by the authorities. Medicine is part of our heritage as women, our history, our birthright. https://www.marxists.org/subject/women/authors/ehrenreich-barbara/witches.htm

Any woman who enjoyed any kind of independence was likely to be considered a witch. The inquisitors believed that the women who remained outside of male control, on the margin of their guardianship through the family, or who kept themselves outside or on the edges of the feminine roles prescribed for them, were worrying elements of the established social order. Women alone, single women or widows, poor women, old women, foreign women, melancholic women, healing women, the spectrum could be varied. http://www.ub.edu/duoda/diferencia/html/en/secundario7.html

Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”

Matthew 12:12 How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

John 15:25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’

In the past, if God had blessed a person with healing powers or any other extraordinary powers, they were considered as a witch. The pharisees were spying around the city looking for violators to convict them; if someone has heal a person, they were considered a demon or a witch.
 
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Here is what a Pharisee does here

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:8
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
 
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You are right that christians should be more supportive of each-other, but there are some things to think about here:

* This chat site is no church-- it has christians, some people who think they are christians but actually aren't, atheists, some New Age/Mystic types posting in. And then you have the various kinds of christians which go to churches who have very different positions on scripture

* What is the body of Christ? I am guessing you believe it is every true believer on earth.. but if you look at scripture it is a local and visible congregation or assembly of saved baptised believers. The Family of God is probably what you mean.

* So unity then in the NT is all about unity in New Testament churches. It's not about unity across believers everywhere.
Teachers wonder why children lack RESPECT because adults lack RESPECT for one another. It is very simple to treat others as you will like to be treat.
Thank you for your respond! Have a beautiful bless day with joy, peace and victory.

 
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Here is what a Pharisee does here

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:8
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mark 7:10 For Moses said,
Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother,
let him die the death:

Mark 7:11 But ye say,
If a man shall say to his father or mother,
It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;he shall be free.

Mark 7:12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

Mark 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
 
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I want everyone to have a beautiful day in JESUS CHRIST with love, peace, joy, victory and smile to each person you meet on your journey:)
 
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All the people that heard John were being baptized with the baptism of John.

BUT the Pharisees

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

And likewise to
the chief priests and the elders of the people Jesus said,

Mat 21:32For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen
it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

 
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Jesus said,

Mat 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 12:1 In the mean time,

when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Luke 12:2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.

Also,

Acts 23:8
For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit:
but the Pharisees confess both
.



 
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Jesus said,

Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Mat 15:12
Then came his disciples, and said unto him,

Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
 
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sparty-g

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This has been a challenging day in this room among folks proclaiming LOVE OF JESUS. A person expect the world to demean, belittle, reject, ridicule and attack a person.
Amen. I'm not sure exactly what you saw today, but some of us are having fun discussing / debating with each other. It was implied that I have demons controlling me, but I shrugged it off since I know whose Spirit dwells in me! :p
 
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We should have a study showing exactly what the Pharisees did, it might be a good thing to have a thread showing examples of their hypocricies (even as there were those of the sect of the Pharisees which believed) and what it is they also said.

Its always presently very vaguely typically but there are examples in there
That's a great idea and it seems you've already started it! The charge of acting "pharisaical" gets tossed around a bit. It would be interesting to see what it means in context. It's too bad it became a pejorative historically. They weren't all bad! One of the most favorite people of many posters on this board claimed to be one himself:

But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. -- Acts 23:6 (KJV)
 
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Are you guys aware that, as has been said, there were good Pharisees? As I recall, a couple of them even came to Jesus and warned Him of some planned entrapment.
 
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The Pharisees came tempting him in this way (contrasted with his disciples saying)

Mat 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him,
Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

Jesus answered,
(Mat 19:4-6)

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh.

What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Mat 19:7
They say unto him,

Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

He saith unto them, (Mat 9:8-9)

Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives:
but from the beginning it was not so.

And I say unto you,

Whosoever shall put away his wife, except
it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Mat 19:10
His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

But he said unto them, (Mat 19:11)

All
men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
 
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That's a great idea and it seems you've already started it! The charge of acting "pharisaical" gets tossed around a bit. It would be interesting to see what it means in context. It's too bad it became a pejorative historically. They weren't all bad! One of the most favorite people of many posters on this board claimed to be one himself:

But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. -- Acts 23:6 (KJV)
Yes, sometimes the ones laying to trap, and being pharisical are the ones crying pharisee half the time.

I just thought it was good to point out, examples of the pharisees, and so when someone is called one to simply show it.

I mean Jesus said believe and be baptized, the Pharisees which believed and were were adding, "must be circumcised and keep the law of Moses" this was shown in earlier Acts when the church was getting established.

But now, anyone quoting anything the apostles (on who the church is built) seems to be called a Pharisee and legalist (or whichever) on any verse the person posts. Not saying there are any, but most folks are seeing a boogie man that just isnt there. I never seen such wrestling of scripture between folks, Im like, "whats the problem even"? Both side can be correct when fighting with NT verses. Not once is Moses even mentioned, its retarded.
 
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The leaven can be the doctrine to beware of too.

Jesus said beware of the leaven of bother the Sadducees and the other

The Sadducees say

Acts 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection (snip here)

Seems like the leaven of the Sadduccees

1 Cr 15:12
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead,
how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

Like it lingered over into the earliy church, that is saying there is no resurrection as they did

Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread,

but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
 
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Are you guys aware that, as has been said, there were good Pharisees? As I recall, a couple of them even came to Jesus and warned Him of some planned entrapment.
And some came secretly as well...Nicodemus for one......It seems later though he openly walked with the disciples and was not afraid to be identified with Jesus.....

Phariseeism is alive and well today as well.....in those who

1. Teach their own righteousness and works for salvation and the right to enter the kingdom based upo such activities....
2. Those who teach religionism and religious adherance to some set of rules and or sacraments....
3. Those who think they are above sin and or better than a believer who will admit they have difficulty with sin

Etc........Alive and well I say........!