The most unwelcome guest

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Doing good or doing evil, we all make choices every day, even in the way we think. Sin is like an unwelcome guest knocking at the door wanting to be entertained. The Lord told Cain in Genesis 4:7 “If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”

His desire is the
lusts of the flesh, and He the Lord is referring to is the Devil. Jesus shows this in
John 8:44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

So basically you have 2 choices, do good, which is the Father in heaven desire, or will; or you can do
evil, which is of the father of this worlds desire.


Sin
before its conceived starts out with an evil thought; this is how we are first tempted. To be tempted by evil is not in of itself sin, because Jesus was also tempted by the devil as we are. But for temptation to become sin, it, like the unwelcome guest knocking at the door must first be let in and entertained in the heart, and then it becomes sin.


James shows this process in James 1:12-15 “
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with
evil, neither tempteth he any man:

[SUP]14 [/SUP]But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”

So when an
evil or lustful thought knocks at the door of your heart, do not let it in, and do not by all means entertain this evil and most unwelcome guest.


James 4:7 “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
 
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Matthew 15:18-20[SUP]18 [/SUP]But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]These are the things which defile a man: ....."
 

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Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
 

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Doing good or doing evil, we all make choices every day, even in the way we think. Sin is like an unwelcome guest knocking at the door wanting to be entertained. The Lord told Cain in Genesis 4:7 “If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”

Gen 4:7 Is speaking of Christ as the Sacrificial Lamb of God. Our rule over Him is Christ serving us by shedding His blood to save us from our sins. Christ came to serve not to be served.

This was Gods admonition to Cain that he had no excuse not to offer the blood sacrifice for God Himself had provided one. Cain rejected Gods offer and brought from the first fruits of the earth as his atonement.

For the cause of Christ
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Matthew 7:15-21[SUP]15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
 
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Gen 4:7 Is speaking of Christ as the Sacrificial Lamb of God. Our rule over Him is Christ serving us by shedding His blood to save us from our sins. Christ came to serve not to be served.

This was Gods admonition to Cain that he had no excuse not to offer the blood sacrifice for God Himself had provided one. Cain rejected Gods offer and brought from the first fruits of the earth as his atonement.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I disagree because sin is the devils desire in that verse. And we know what happened afterward concerning Cain killing his righteous brother.

1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
 
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I disagree because sin is the devils desire in that verse. And we know what happened afterward concerning Cain killing his righteous brother.

1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

Always reminded me of there

His desire

Satans desire
 
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Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

Always reminded me of there

His desire

Satans desire
Yeah, and you ever notice Jesus said Satan desires the things that be of men? (shown in Peter)

Matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
 

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Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
 
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Yeah, and you ever notice Jesus said Satan desires the things that be of men? (shown in Peter)

Matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Yeah, right at his cross too, notice that? Jesus said thou art an offense to me, even as there is also the offense of the cross (just as he is the rock of offense).

Jesus got in Peters face there (as the cross was in sight) and later Paul (when Peter separated himself) for fear of man (ie the circumcision) rebuked him again. Paul even says the offense of the cross ceases preaching circumcision. Peter being mindful of these (the circumcision) that which is after the flesh would seem to be a picture of the same thing when you look at it.
 

notuptome

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I disagree because sin is the devils desire in that verse. And we know what happened afterward concerning Cain killing his righteous brother.

1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
Hebrew scholars have rendered the passage as sin offering not sin. The KJV and other English translations could be a little better on this verse. A sin offering lieth at the door and His desire shall be unto thee. Christ led as a Lamb not resisting but submitting that the sin atonement is made.

Much the same thing God did for Abraham with his son Isaac.

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Hebrew scholars have rendered the passage as sin offering not sin. The KJV and other English translations could be a little better on this verse. A sin offering lieth at the door and His desire shall be unto thee. Christ led as a Lamb not resisting but submitting that the sin atonement is made.

Much the same thing God did for Abraham with his son Isaac.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I don't know who these Hebrew scholars are, but I'll stick to what is actually written in scripture, and what is discerned by the Holy Spirit. I also believe a little common sense would also help, notice the "and if thou doest not well"....then here comes sin.

Genesis 4:7 “If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”
 

notuptome

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I don't know who these Hebrew scholars are, but I'll stick to what is actually written in scripture, and what is discerned by the Holy Spirit. I also believe a little common sense would also help, notice the "and if thou doest not well"....then here comes sin.

Genesis 4:7 “If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”
You might do well to remember that the scriptures actually written are in Hebrew. What you have in front of you is an English translation of the Hebrew. The translators in some cases could have been more specific in their translations but for readability wrote what worked instead of what was actually written.

Doing well and not doing well is the reason for the atonement. To be accepted by God one must have their sins covered.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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I disagree because sin is the devils desire in that verse.
And we know what happened afterward concerning Cain killing his righteous brother.

1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
These comparable?

Because obviously Satan has a desire, same word which speaks of Satans lusts (desire)

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil,
and
the lusts of your father
ye will do.

He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.



  1. desire, craving, longing,
  2. desire for what is forbidden, lust
 

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Yeah, and you ever notice Jesus said Satan desires the things that be of men? (shown in Peter)

Matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
In both Hebrew and Greek, Satan with the definite article is the Devil and satan without the article refers to the word adversary. In the verse cited the article is NOT used.
 
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These comparable?

Because obviously Satan has a desire, same word which speaks of Satans lusts (desire)

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil,
and
the lusts of your father
ye will do.

He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.



  1. desire, craving, longing,
  2. desire for what is forbidden, lust
Yeah, there comparable, that's why I used John 8:44 in my OP to show the same.
 
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James 4:7 “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

My most unwelcome guest is ME! that is, my flesh. So rather than continually idolizing myself to see if I am good and holy and obedient and worthy, I instead submit (abandon) my life and my mind to Jesus Christ and resist the temptation to worship myself. And voilà ~ the adversary is gone! Jesus is faithful and able to keep me from falling.
 
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DesiredHaven

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Yeah, there comparable, that's why I used John 8:44 in my OP to show the same.
I so missed you did that (lol!)
Forgive me, been up over 30 hours straight,
pulling my typical all nighters
I am not all here
 
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In both Hebrew and Greek, Satan with the definite article is the Devil and satan without the article refers to the word adversary. In the verse cited the article is NOT used.
Yeah, I'm not saying Peter is Satan, but that the spirit of Satan is working in the first sinful nature in man.

Here's the strongs definition....


adversary (one who opposes another in purpose or act), the name given to

  1. the prince of evil spirits, the inveterate adversary of God and Christ
    1. he incites apostasy from God and to sin
    2. circumventing men by his wiles
    3. the worshippers of idols are said to be under his control
    4. by his demons he is able to take possession of men and inflict them with diseases
    5. by God's assistance he is overcome
    6. on Christ's return from heaven he will be bound with chains for a thousand years, but when the thousand years are finished he will walk the earth in yet greater power, but shortly after will be given over to eternal punishment
  2. a Satan-like man

    If we are to be God-like then one could say the opposite is true of those who are Satan-like. Also the Devil is known as the adversary...


    1 Peter 5:8
    Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
 
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Doing good or doing evil, we all make choices every day, even in the way we think. Sin is like an unwelcome guest knocking at the door wanting to be entertained. The Lord told Cain in Genesis 4:7 “If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”
I used these verses is a message I preached last month at a Prison service. We are teaching them that SIN is indeed a Choice and you have power over SIN...just as Cain did..

The other verse I sued was JOhn 8.1-8, the sotry of the Adulterous woman...Jesus told her to go and SIN no more....many do not see the simplicity of what Jesus was saying...It is my belief after her encounter with Jesus, the woman likely never committed Adultery again....Jesus was not telling her to be perfect, he simply told her to lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset her...

Victory over SIN is not perfection by any means, it is about taking back what the enemy has stolen, one rock at a time...anyone that knows about the Story in JOhn 8.1-8 will know why I said 1 rock at a time...and who the enemy is...