The STRENGTH OF SIN!

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1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Ro 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
 
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Sin causes me to rush to the foot of the cross and receive the blood of Jesus to wash away all unrighteousness. Actually, I never leave that place.

For in my flesh dwells no good thing. The Good Thing in me is the Holy Spirit. Christ living in me.
 
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Mitspa said:
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Ro 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
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1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Do you ever wonder why some Christians are so focused upon sin and not righteousness in Christ? They have sin so stirred up in themselves that they cannot imagine that sin is not as powerful in others who are under the grace of God.
 
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John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil;........
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil;........
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Bad news for those under the law..."the strength of sin" Reckon any of them will make it to heaven?

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
 
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Are we or want to be 'beguiled', like the 'babes in CHRIST', still in carnal/flesh, who still live it's 'passions' and 'desires' day after day, according to their 'fruits', as written in Galatians 5;16-21, and then also the 'strength' of sin works in us because the 'law' of 'self-righteousness', that we are also 'tempted' to, as according to James 1;14.15, to keep on blame them 'all' on 'sin' and it's 'power', prior to our 'imperfection' bondage?

Our 'imperfection' in due till this very day, is one of the cause of 'self-righteousness' living, one who have gone ahead of CHRIST's words/teachings in 'does/practices'. As 'reminder' and 'stir up of memory' according to Luke 8;14, where CHRIST said and later 'wept', that 'their fruit does not mature'

And so, 'stop' making 'excuses' for 'self' and 'continuing', still 'content' to remain still as 'babes in CHRIST' and 'testifying' as a 'milk' drinker, in 'ignorance' and un knowingly 'deceiving' many, 'encouraging' them 'falsely' as well, to 'remain the same', until JESUS returns.

As it is written in the Gospel in 'words/teaching of CHRIST, for Christians to 'welcome' and 'act' according to their 'faith' that;

"Your sins are forgiven thee, sin no more or something 'worse' might happen to you."

"Those who keep on sinning belongs to the devil."

Truly the 'problem' here is not about the Spiritual knowledge of 'sin' and 'imperfection' in a 'believer', who would be 'ashamed' in the first place and not 'brag' on again and again about them, that does not 'build up' but 'tears down' another, rather drawn to 'repentance' to GOD in love towards HIM.
Hence forth carrying on, as if it is 'okay' to 'sin' and GOD will forgive 'unconditionally' Christians. Would not that believer rather 'quietly' 'workout' with CHRIST, in order to give them up for common 'Good' and therefore 'excel' in the 'SPIRIT/spirit' in 'thinking' and 'works' according to them written in the HOLY BIBLE and 'build up' those they love according to 'All Scripture'.

Please do not give 'approval' that 'sin is okay' to 'remain in' and as a 'believer' and in 'imperfection', their testimony' is 'just'. That is why the 'churches' are so divided into the 'law' of 'clans' living, like in the Old Covenant and 'growing'. Everyone who are a witness within the family, know that 'they' do not agree and get along with each other, 'directly or indirectly', even when they meet together to 'justify' a matter, even though it has already been 'justified' in the HOLY BIBLE.

Everyone 'directly or indirectly' want to take on the 'role of', as the 'vicars' of CHRIST, deciding for GOD's people what is 'right' and what is 'wrong' for them. Therefore forget, 'as it is written' and have been 'established' and in 'All Scripture' of the HOLY BIBLE.

Thank you and GOD bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
 
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why is the strength of sin the law?
 
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gotime said:
why is the strength of sin the law?
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Sorry to use this example again. If I said to you, if you think of a pink rabbit God will condemn you to hell, what is the first thought that will come into your mind if you believed me? It wouldn't be long before you were consumed y the thought of the creature would it. However, as you know there is no penalty of condemnation in place for thinking of such a creature, you won't get all worked up about it will you. You wouldn't think of it
 
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Mitspa said:
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Ro 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
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In my opinion, every minister should preach from the pulpit on the verses you have quoted from Romans, they go the heart of why we need a righteousness apart from the law
 
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michael56 said:
In my opinion, every minister should preach from the pulpit on the verses you have quoted from Romans, they go the heart of why we need a righteousness apart from the law
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I use those passages also for new people, I know its primarily written to those who know the law. but the experience that Paul speaks of is experienced by all.

For many while having no knowledge of the law still are convicted on things by the Spirit and they know the feeling of wanting to do what they know is right and not being able to do it.

I find people really relate to it whether they know the law/letter or Just the law is on their heart to some degree.
 
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michael56 said:
Sorry to use this example again. If I said to you, if you think of a pink rabbit God will condemn you to hell, what is the first thought that will come into your mind if you believed me? It wouldn't be long before you were consumed y the thought of the creature would it. However, as you know there is no penalty of condemnation in place for thinking of such a creature, you won't get all worked up about it will you. You wouldn't think of it
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I agree, the mere knowledge of what will kill can make one focus on that very thing.

however and this is from my point of view,

Lets Just say no matter what if one continues to think of a pink rabbit they will be condemned. They could still be without fear if they held onto a promise that someone who has the ability will take away their thought of a pink rabbit if they simply have faith.
 
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gotime said:
I agree, the mere knowledge of what will kill can make one focus on that very thing.

however and this is from my point of view,

Lets Just say no matter what if one continues to think of a pink rabbit they will be condemned. They could still be without fear if they held onto a promise that someone who has the ability will take away their thought of a pink rabbit if they simply have faith.
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The point is, it is the penalty of condemnation that would cause you to be consumed by such a creature, without that in place you would not be.

The law said to Paul the Pharisee. ''Thou shalt not covet''

What was the result? All manner of concupiscence was aroused in him

What did Paul the Christian say?

For sin shall not be you master for you are not under law(a righteousness of obedience to the law) but under grace.

Paul the Pharisee lived under the penalty of sin, Paul the Christian did not
 
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The point is, it is the penalty of condemnation that would cause you to be consumed by such a creature, without that in place you would not be.

The law said to Paul the Pharisee. ''Thou shalt not covet''

What was the result? All manner of concupiscence was aroused in him

What did Paul the Christian say?

For sin shall not be you master for you are not under law(a righteousness of obedience to the law) but under grace.

Paul the Pharisee lived under the penalty of sin, Paul the Christian did not
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Yes condemnation only causes fear and fear only empowers sin in the life. Struggle to keep the law only masks the reality of an inward slavery. Striving to keep the law also empowers sin in the life as the focus is on sin and not on Christ.
 
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2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
 
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1 John 5:17
All unrighteousness is sin: .......

Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
 
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gotime said:
why is the strength of sin the law?
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Weakness of the flesh...

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
 
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The Greatest sin of all is Unbelief in the promises of forgiveness . All those on this forum who dont agree with OSAS should pray and ask for forgiveness from their Unbelief .
 
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michael56 said:
Sorry to use this example again. If I said to you, if you think of a pink rabbit God will condemn you to hell, what is the first thought that will come into your mind if you believed me? It wouldn't be long before you were consumed y the thought of the creature would it. However, as you know there is no penalty of condemnation in place for thinking of such a creature, you won't get all worked up about it will you. You wouldn't think of it
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So, your the kind of guy that if someone tells you not to jump in front of a speeding bus, you jump in front of a speeding bus?

Someone tells you not to take a .357 and blow your brains out, you can't wait to try it?

Someone tells you not to commit adultery, it will bring all types of terrible results, all you can think about is committing adultery?

In other words, you can't be warned not to do anything with terrible consequences?
 
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