Revelation

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phil112

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As I said elsewhere, I am reading in Revelation. I don't expect to have a great deal as I am not big on studying this book. My dad knew more about it than I ever will, and altho he encouraged me to get into it deeper, I always felt that there was too much else that my soul needed from the bible.
However, there will probably a few things that bear discussion, understanding, and simply knowing about.

What caught my attention this morning is 1:10, and 4:2.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet..........And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne
Here John says he is in the spirit twice. This surely isn't talking about the same event. The first time he must have been under the influence of the spirit as he received the words from Him. The second time he clearly went into a spirit form and was transported to heaven. He was actually present to observe the revelations from the 4th chapter on.

This is important information. Paul said that he "knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth, such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth,

How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

What is in heaven is not even lawful for us to talk about on this earth, hence the need for symbolism. Paul also reminded us that "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."

Folks, we cannot imagine what it is, nor can we talk about it in that ethereal language. Consequently we must understand that the first 3 chapters are much different, from the viewpoint of knowing, than the rest of the book. There is much to be gleaned from 1-3, but from 4 on, it is a completely different set of rules governing that knowledge. I don't think this can be over-emphasized. So many times we have someone tell us what something means, yet they have no clue what the rest means. Symbolism must remain consistent or we could never make sense of any of it.

I don't feel compelled to study this book real hard yet, but if some of you do, understanding symbolism is the key. I will say that F. G. Smith's "The Revelation Explained" does a very good job with that part of it.

Just something to muse on, on this beautiful morning.
 

Joidevivre

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I study Revelations not so much for detailed knowledge, but so that I will recognize things as they happen as coming from God. (If I live so long!)
 
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Well to me the key to the book is to understand the two points below.....

1. It s the REVELATION of JESUS Christ...the word REVELATION means to take the cover off, reveal, uncover...like taking the lid off of a box and revealing what is inside......JESUS came as a lowly man, suffered and died as the Son of MAN, but REVELATION now reveals HIM for who He really is and basically shows and sets forth JESUS in the following manner....I AM GOD on THRONE, I AM coming back and this is how it is all going to go down!

2. The words found in verse 3 of chapter one gives the keys to understanding the book....

a. Readeth-->ana-ginosko = to know again
b. Hear = Hear with the implication of understanding
c. Keep = Hold fast, serve, watch

And to be honest....yes the book is deep and it takes a good knowledge of numerous other books to be able to grasp Revelation...at the the end of the day the book is meant to be understood.............
 
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DesiredHaven

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#13
As I said elsewhere, I am reading in Revelation. I don't expect to have a great deal as I am not big on studying this book. My dad knew more about it than I ever will, and altho he encouraged me to get into it deeper, I always felt that there was too much else that my soul needed from the bible.
However, there will probably a few things that bear discussion, understanding, and simply knowing about.

What caught my attention this morning is 1:10, and 4:2.
Here John says he is in the spirit twice. This surely isn't talking about the same event. The first time he must have been under the influence of the spirit as he received the words from Him. The second time he clearly went into a spirit form and was transported to heaven. He was actually present to observe the revelations from the 4th chapter on.

This is important information. Paul said that he "knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth, such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth,

How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

What is in heaven is not even lawful for us to talk about on this earth, hence the need for symbolism. Paul also reminded us that "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."

Folks, we cannot imagine what it is, nor can we talk about it in that ethereal language. Consequently we must understand that the first 3 chapters are much different, from the viewpoint of knowing, than the rest of the book. There is much to be gleaned from 1-3, but from 4 on, it is a completely different set of rules governing that knowledge. I don't think this can be over-emphasized. So many times we have someone tell us what something means, yet they have no clue what the rest means. Symbolism must remain consistent or we could never make sense of any of it.

I don't feel compelled to study this book real hard yet, but if some of you do, understanding symbolism is the key. I will say that F. G. Smith's "The Revelation Explained" does a very good job with that part of it.

Just something to muse on, on this beautiful morning.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

I see the above you mention as pointing to this
 
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Another side note...if you chart the siege and fall of Jericho which is the first victory of Israel when coming out of the wilderness of SIN you will find that it matches....

1. The order of the seals and trumpets
2. Even uses the same verbiage of the resurrection/change as found in Thessalonians, Corinthians
3. EVEN leaves OFF the HIDDEN thunders found within the trumpets
4. The SHOUT, ASCENSION at the sounding of the TRUMP and VICTORY
 
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DesiredHaven

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#16
The scriptures are true, I dont doubt they are, its just all men self apply them is all.

False prophets can make false predictions and quote that others are a false prophet for doing so but when they do it there is some kind of excuse and they get themselves off the hook. Its just what most men do typically.

But that verse is true as well as it it true of those through whom it is true of as well (no doubt).
 
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The scriptures are true, I dont doubt they are, its just all men self apply them is all.

False prophets can make false predictions and quote that others are a false prophet for doing so but when they do it there is some kind of excuse and they get themselves off the hook. Its just what most men do typically.

But that verse is true as well as it it true of those through whom it is true of as well (no doubt).
Not sure what all that has to with my comment in post #9?
 

pem

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That explains why you didn't like my study, not to mention the fact you took no time to read it. :)
I was in the zionist rapture cult 20 years ago until God released me from it. You can teach me nothing about it
 
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DesiredHaven

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Not sure what all that has to with my comment in post #9?
That the statement can be true enough (alone) as it is scripture, but that even a false prophet might say something scripture says (in part) like a single statement (or partially quoted verse) and use it to springboard further (in respects to themselves/ or self promotion). Even off that one statement (from scripture) which is true. That being quoted by itself doesnt (by our own attachment of it "to ourselves") make the whole thing true (because we say so). But it doesnt necessarily make the whole thing false either, it just wouldnt be here nor there if we would let just anyone commend themselves to us in what they believe they know. It was to that (across the board without partiality) is what I was speaking of.