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WebersHome

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Hello;

Passover is just around the corner so this seems an appropriate time to
begin discussing its events as they pertained to Christ back in his day.

I suggest that the best way to begin sleuthing the chronology of Christ's
crucifixion and resurrection is to first define what constituters a Day and
what constitutes a Night. The Bible does this for us so it's a no-brainer.

†. Gen 1:3-5 . . And God said: Let there be light-- and there was
light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light
from the darkness. God called the light Day and the darkness He
called Night.


In essence: Day and Night simply label two physical conditions-- the
absence of light, and/or the absence of darkness. Labeling those physical
conditions may seem like a superfluous detail, but when analyzing crucifixion
week in the New Testament, it's essential to keep those physical conditions
separate in regards to the Lord's burial and resurrection if one is to have any
hope of deducing the correct chronology.

†. Gen 1:14-18 . . God said: Let there be lights in the expanse of the
sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs
to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the
expanse of the sky to give light on the earth. And it was so. God
made two great lights-- the greater light to govern the day and the
lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set
them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern
the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness.


On the first day; God decreed Day as a condition of light; and Night as a
condition of darkness. Then in Gen 1:14-18, He further decreed that days on
the earth are when the sun is up; and nights on the earth are when the sun
is down. These rules occur so early in the Bible that they easily escape the
memories of Bible students as they slip into the reflexive habit of always
thinking of days as periods of one earth rotation of 24 hours. That's okay for
calendars but can lead to gross misunderstandings when interpreting biblical
schedules, predictions, and/or chronologies.

†. John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the
day? A man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this
world's light.


A day divided into twelve equal periods was regulated by what's known as
temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time of year.
There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when days on earth
consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and sometimes more; but
when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always 12 regardless.
I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their work day into
twelve equal periods regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just a
convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs;
including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening
sacrifice)

Anyway; the point is: it's best to comply with God's decrees and let days be
daytime and nights be nighttime; viz: Days are when the sun is up, and
Nights are when the sun is down.

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WebersHome

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†. Matt 12:40 . . Just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly
of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights
in the heart of the earth.

†. John 2:19-22 . . Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
The Jews therefore said: It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will
you raise it up in three days? But he was speaking of the temple of his body.
When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that
he said this.

The preponderance of New Testament evidence attests that Christ didn't
recover on a fourth day after the third was completely over, but on the third
day; viz: during the third day.

†. Matt 17:22-23 . . And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus
said to them: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of
men; and they will kill him, and he will be raised on the third day.

†. Mark 9:31 . . For he taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of
man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after
that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

†. Luke 9:22 . . And he said: The Son of Man must suffer many things and
be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must
be killed and on the third day be roused.

†. Luke 24:12-24 . . Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending
over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away,
wondering to himself what had happened. Now that same day two of them
were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem.
They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. As
they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came
up and walked along with them; but they were kept from recognizing him.

. . . He asked them: What are you discussing together as you walk along?
They stood still, their faces downcast. One of them, named Cleopas, asked
him: Are you only a visitor to Jerusalem and do not know the things that
have happened there in these days? What things? he asked.

. . . About Jesus of Nazareth; they replied. He was a prophet, powerful in
word and deed before God and all the people. The chief priests and our
rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him;
but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And
what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.

†. Luke 24:41-46 . . And while they still could not believe it for joy and were
marveling, he said to them : Have you anything here to eat? And they gave
him a piece of a broiled fish; and he took it and ate it before them. Now he
said to them : These are my words which I spoke to you while I was still
with you, that all things which are written about me in the Law of Moses and
the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled. Then he opened their minds
to understand the Scriptures, and he said to them : Thus it is written, that
the Christ should suffer and rise again from the dead the third day

†. Acts 10:39-41 . . And we are witnesses of all the things He did both in the
land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. And they also put him to death by
hanging him on a cross. God raised him up on the third day

†. 1Cor 15:4 . . He rose again the third day

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WebersHome

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After Christ's burial, he wasn't seen alive till the first day of the week. (Matt
28:1, Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, and John 20:1) which is the day following the
regular seventh-day sabbath. (Matt 28:1, Mark 16:1)

So, if we allow Sunday to be the first day of the week, and also the day upon
which Christ revived, it's pretty easy to work backwards and identify the
three days and three nights.

The three days are Sunday, Saturday, and Friday. The three nights are
Saturday night, Friday night, and Thursday night.

So; if Thursday is the correct day upon which Christ was crucified; then why
is Friday the traditional day? Well; my guess it's primarily for convenience.
And besides; Easter is only a tradition. It's not a mandated holy day in the
Bible so it doesn't really matter one way or the other if the particulars are
spot on. Passover is different. God is very strict about it's observance; but
not Easter. And anyway, Christ prefers that he be remembered not with holy
days; but with bread and wine. (Luke 22:19-20, 1Cor 11:24-25)

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WebersHome

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†. Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people
assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and
they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the
Feast-- they said --or there may be a riot among the people.

Ironically the Jews did the very thing they wanted to avoid. You see,
unbeknownst to them, their religious calendar was running a day late.

Christ consumed his lamb on the night of his arrest. The Jews didn't eat
theirs until after he was buried (John 18:28, John 19:14). Well; I trust that
Christ, being a prophet, was privy to the correct date; which is very
important seeing as how it is a serious sin to deviate from God's
instructions.

†. Num 9:12 . .They shall offer it in strict accord with the law of the
Passover sacrifice.

†. Deut 27:26 . . Cursed be he who will not uphold the terms of this Law and
observe them.

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Joidevivre

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This is just too much for my brain to handle this morning. :p
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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This is just too much for my brain to handle this morning. :p
Shorthand version: Weber doesn't think Jesus was crucified on Friday. Lot of words to say what he could have said much more briefly -- trouble is, he would still be wrong, no matter how many words he used, or didn't use.

Worst of all, he debates dates when he should be focused on the accomplishment.
 

john832

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Shorthand version: Weber doesn't think Jesus was crucified on Friday. Lot of words to say what he could have said much more briefly -- trouble is, he would still be wrong, no matter how many words he used, or didn't use.

Worst of all, he debates dates when he should be focused on the accomplishment.
John832 KNOWS he was NOT crucified on Friday.
 

Joidevivre

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Vigilent is right - does it really matter - does it change the matters of salvation - does it invite me to live differently - does it focus on the love of the sacrifice?
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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John832 KNOWS he was NOT crucified on Friday.
Great. Now tell us if you know why He was crucified at all?

The timing of the Friday crucifixion is significant, though I know you deny it, despite it's truth. Frankly, I don't really care.

In the long run, "when," though significant, doesn't matter a great deal. "Why" matters a great deal.

Why do people want to debate the minutiae instead of glorifying the reality?
 
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all of the JEWS who YAHWEH ENTRUSTED with SCRIPTURE know the MESSIAH was NOT crucified nor buried on 6th day,

and the proof is simple , but not allowed on this forum, by most of the visitors nor the members.

this whole thread, and almost all the posts by the op , are lessons from a bad(dark) source, i.e. not true.

why it happens? just like the rcc heretics probably --=promoting what is false to garner support for it.
 

john832

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Great. Now tell us if you know why He was crucified at all?

The timing of the Friday crucifixion is significant, though I know you deny it, despite it's truth. Frankly, I don't really care.

In the long run, "when," though significant, doesn't matter a great deal. "Why" matters a great deal.

Why do people want to debate the minutiae instead of glorifying the reality?
Well to start with, why can't you count to three?

Please show me three days AND three nights between Friday sunset and before sunrise Sunday morning and then we can discuss the other.

Oh and what was the ONLY sign Christ gave that He was the Messiah?

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

But just like most everything else He said, people don't think He really MEANT what He said.
 

WebersHome

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Outsiders are often curious why some Christians make such a fuss over the
correct chronology of Christ's crucifixion, burial, and resurrection. Well; we
do so because our peace of mind, our reputations, our credibility, and our
safety depend upon it

†. 1Cor 15:17-19 . . If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you
are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are
lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more
than all men.

So you see; if we (the some Christians) can't account for the three days and
nights predicted in Matt 12:40 & John 2:19-22, then critical thinkers have
adequate justification for laughing Christ's resurrection out of court and
dismissing his followers as mentally-challenged cultists who can't perform
simple arithmetic.

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Well to start with, why can't you count to three? Please show me three days AND three nights between Friday sunset and before sunrise Sunday morning and then we can discuss the other.
John, did you actually read the question I asked? NO! You did not. Try again.

Outsiders are often curious why some Christians make such a fuss over the correct chronology of Christ's crucifixion, burial, and resurrection. Well; we do so because our reputations, our credibility, and our safety depend upon it.
Utter nonsense. As I said, of far more importance is the "Why?" The "When?" is virtually inconsequential. <-- John, there lies the question I asked. Please review the post I made earlier and see if you can respond this time. Thanks.

Again, you both debate the minutiae and ignore the glory of the reality. My prayers for you misguided priorities are offered. Please accept them.
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WebersHome

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before sunrise Sunday morning
Had Christ risen from the dead before sunrise, his recovery would have
taken place at night; but according to Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22,
Luke 24:12-24, Luke 24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and 1Cor 15:4 his recovery
did not take place at night; but rather, during day .

Below is a popular "proof text" among night-resurrection theorists.

†. John 20:1 . . Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark,
Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed
from the entrance.

But that isn't the only information we're given. There's more.

†. Matt 28:1 . . After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week,
Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

†. Mark 16:2-3 . .Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise,
they were on their way to the tomb and they asked each other: Who will roll
the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?

†. Luke 24:1 . . On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the
women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

By combining Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John it's readily seen that the
women left home as the sun was coming up, and by the time they arrived at
the cemetery, it was full up. In other words: John doesn't say Magdalene
arrived in the dark.

BTW: We're talking about holy women here; not kooks. Normal women don't,
as a rule, prowl graveyards at night. None I know anyway.

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john832

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Had Christ risen from the dead before sunrise, his recovery would have
taken place at night; but according to Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22,
Luke 24:12-24, Luke 24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and 1Cor 15:4 his recovery
did not take place at night; but rather, during day .

Below is a popular "proof text" among night-resurrection theorists.

†. John 20:1 . . Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark,
Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed
from the entrance.

But that isn't the only information we're given. There's more.

†. Matt 28:1 . . After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week,
Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

†. Mark 16:2-3 . .Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise,
they were on their way to the tomb and they asked each other: Who will roll
the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?

†. Luke 24:1 . . On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the
women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

By combining Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John it's readily seen that the
women left home as the sun was coming up, and by the time they arrived at
the cemetery, it was full up. In other words: John doesn't say Magdalene
arrived in the dark.

BTW: We're talking about holy Jewish women here; not kooks. Normal
women don't, as a rule, prowl graveyards at night. None I know anyway.

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Why didn't you quote John?

Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

They got there before sunup and HE WAS ALREADY GONE.
 
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the enemy of christ twists this very early in the beginning of the counterfeit church, and tried to change the days(did change them for the world and for the heresy) and the law; but the truth is so simple a child in kindergarten can understand it
while most scholars simply won't even consider it because their moral and social system is opposed to Christ.


no one will ever show you in truth 3 days and 3 nights in less than 72 hours, nor more than 72 hours. if you search the scripture and online hebrew jewish sources, you will , Yahweh Willing,
the true time of death and burial (it's NEVER been unknown - it's NEVER been a secret -- only the 'churches' mess it all up, the way men always do).

it is clearly known and disclosed elsewhere , and only a few seeking the truth ever find out.


Well to start with, why can't you count to three?
Please show me three days AND three nights between Friday sunset and before sunrise Sunday morning and then we can discuss the other.
Oh and what was the ONLY sign Christ gave that He was the Messiah?
Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
But just like most everything else He said, people don't think He really MEANT what He said.
 

john832

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Had you read the post; you would have seen John quoted.

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Had you read what you quoted, you would not have written this...

Had Christ risen from the dead before sunrise, his recovery would have
taken place at night; but according to Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22,
Luke 24:12-24, Luke 24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and 1Cor 15:4 his recovery
did not take place at night; but rather, during day .

And left John 20:1 out of the list.
 
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Jesus Died before sun down friday Day1 , friday night saturday day2, Saturday night day 3.

This has been the tradition since the days of the apostles.
 
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totally false . tradition since satan got control of the religious deceivers- tradition that voids the Word of Yahweh, and doesn't line up with Scripture.



Jesus Died before sun down friday Day1 , friday night saturday day2, Saturday night day 3.

This has been the tradition since the days of the apostles.